Posted on 11/18/2005 7:09:29 AM PST by NYer
A Jesuit retreat house in Manhasset is hosting a workshop about gay Catholics and the church that had been barred from diocesan property last year by Bishop William Murphy of the Diocese of Rockville Centre.
The workshop on building bridges to gay people comes just as the Vatican is about to release a document restating its prohibition barring gay men from the priesthood.
Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, the organization leading the workshop, said yesterday that the program does not challenge church orthodoxy.
"Our mission is simply to try to help Catholic institutions learn more about the reality of gay and lesbian Catholics," DeBernardo said. "We focus on how you develop programs at a local level so that gay and lesbian people will feel welcome in a Catholic parish."
He said that the pending Vatican document has made his group's message even more urgent - and tougher to sell.
"It makes it more difficult to help people see that there is a tradition in the Catholic church of acceptance of lesbian and gay people," he said. "And it also shows that the thinking of the Vatican's leaders on homosexuality is very much out of step with what American Catholics, not to mention scientists and social scientists, think about homosexuality."
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The Church is out of step? It's time to give these folks their walking papers.
Looks like the bishops doesn't know or refuses to obey what the Vatican and the Church are saying!
There are far too many gays in the priesthood and episcopate for this to happen. I agree with you but see no chance of that happeneing.
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I find it very difficult to believe that the majority of American Catholics are in favour of promoting this kind of thing.
I do believe American Catholics is a buzzword for those who want to form ChurchLite, ala the lines of the ECUSA.
So, are they proclaiming and supporting the call to chastity for those with same sex attraction disorder? Didn't think so. Are they proclaiming the need to avoid sinful homosexual activity and the near occasions of sin? Didn't think so. At most there will be a tacit silence on these points with a nudge and a wink, I'm sure. At worse, such activity will be approved and celebrated.
Episcopal Church in the United States of America?
Which is being torn apart with gay rights/liberal theology along the lines which some would like to force the Catholic Church along.
What authority does the diocesan bishop have over a Jesuit facility? The head of the Jesuits used to be known as the "Black Pope" and was answerable only to Rome.
What's the situation now? Can the bishop rat this group out to Rome?
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Yes, you're quite right.
Even though the author of Windswept house was laicised - his story is compelling. The Jesuits are rotten apples at the bottom of the barrel and need to be exorcised.
I thought the bishop of a diocese still had sayso over what orders were allowed within the boundaries of his diocese?
Homosexuals comprise AT BEST 10% of the population, and it is actually more like a mere 2 to 3%. So, why do we have to spend such an inordinate amount of time pandering to a group of degenerate sinners who show no remorse over their ways, nor any inclination to repent?
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/302003e.asp
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Interesting.
Short of full suppression, B-16 can and should strip Kolvenbach and the society of its papal protections. Somehow, the Dominicans and Franciscans and Benedictines and other orders have survived without special status. Likewise, however, B-16 should stand prepared to punish anti-Catholic bishops. Subsidiarity is a cherished principle in Catholicism and in conservatism but it has its limits, Whether a religious order rebels or a bishop rebels, punishment should be sure and swift.
The good news is that, although the Jebbies have gone from "God's Marines" to Satan's in forty years, their numbers are now one third of what they were then and rapidly declining. Their leftist commitments may suppress themselves.
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Windswept House was written by the late Fr. Malachi Martin, who had been ordained as a Jesuit. He was not laicized but rather was released from the Jesuit Order by Pope Paul VI so that Fr. Martin could be free of the Jebbie bureaucracy in his work to explain what had happened to the Church and to the Jesuits. To be laicized is to be returned from the priesthood to a lay (non-clerical) status. Fr. Martin was a priest to the day of his death and, according to Catholic doctrine, a priest forever because his soul was marked eternally by his receipt of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. He was able to the end to say Mass and to consecrate the Holy Eucharist.
Two exceptions are the Society of Jesus and Opus Dei.
Ah!
One understands how the Jesuits got themselves dissolved once before because of how how they related to various authorities...
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