Posted on 11/26/2005 10:56:50 PM PST by Coleus
On Tuesday, Joe Scarborough, host, ‘Scarborough Country’ spoke to Kevin Raleigh and Rosemarie Offenhaur, whose mother, Kathleen Raleigh, was taken away by the cult. Offenhaur was also a former nun for the Tridentine Rite before realizing the group’s bad intentions. Cult expert, Rick Ross sat in on the discussion as well.
To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the video, click on the “Launch” button to the right.
KEVIN RALEIGH, SON OF A TRIDENTINE MEMBER: I believe it’s a destructive cult. I believe it has nothing to do with religion. And I make that observation 13 years ago after reading a book by Steve Esan. It’s a destructive cult. It’s actually a very secret society.
SCARBOROUGH: We are showing pictures right now of these pictures of these young children about the age of my daughter, which I guess is why it hurts me so much, being terrorized.
Rosemarie, you were a former member of this cult, this organization, this church?
ROSEMARIE OFFENHAUER, FORMER TRIDENTINE NUN: Yes, I was, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: Talk about how destructive it is for children and, well, for your mother and all those that are locked in its grip.
OFFENHAUER: Well, Joe, I entered when I was quite young.
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brace yourself for the attacks.... ping
Well, whatever Rick Ross says, assume the opposite. Oh, and keep a fire extinguisher handy when he starts dispensing advice to the FBI.
Sedevacantists? SSPV? SSPX? Followers of one of the various self-proclaimed "popes"?
Not from me...from reading the article yesterday, I didn't know what their complaint really was except they didn't like the group.
"Sedevacantists? SSPV? SSPX? Followers of one of the various self-proclaimed "popes"?"
I believe that these are a group of totally off-the-wall sede's who follow some kind of "visionary". They have nothing to do with the SSPX or any of the traditional orders.
If you do a google search on the bishop, you'll find plenty of articles written by other traditional groups about him. He was one of the first to splinter off from the Magisterium. Others followed, each with a different set of disagreements.
BTTT for more information.
This group is Schuckhardt's wacko group. They are the remnant that refused to stay in CMRI after CMRI threw out Schuckhardt.
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/223654
http://www.king5.com/localnews/investigators/stories/NW_110305INKcultJK.26506701.html
A statement from the Catholic ordinary about the wackos:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/WELSHCRU.TXT
http://www.rickross.com/groups/tlrchurch.html
Vladimir,
Could you tell me something about the CMRI connection to all of this? That group has been trying for a year now to infiltrate the Archdiocese of Boston, hoping to gain ground within the traditionalist movement after the abuse scandal here, and taking advantage of the impending closure of the church used by the Indult Mass.
I'm a member of that church slated for closure next month. We've been trying to warn the archdiocese that defections to this group will result from the closure. The contrast between us and this renegade group might be the key, in a multi-topic presentation of our case, to keeping our church open. I'd like to have more specifics about CMRI if you have them, especially if they have any murky asssociations with Schuckhardt.
It's interesting how MSNBC mangles things in the first line of the story, and continues the mangling all through it. They imply that "the Tridentine Rite group" is the name of the cult itself, apparently unaware of, or unconcerned with, the fact that there are any number of schismatic groups grounding themselves in the Tridentine Mass, AS WELL AS an entirely legitimate, worldwide group of people attached to the Indult Mass under JP II's motu proprio Ecclesia Dei. Talk about painting with a wide brush!
As a member of the last-mentioned group, I take major exception to being lumped in with this crowd by implication, but I doubt that any kind of clarification would be forthcoming from MSNBC. Investigative journalism at its finest!
Thanks for providing those links.
It seems that the term "Tridentine Rite" has been hijacked and perverted by these wack-jobs. I'd like to think that MSNBC would clarify that, but I'm not holding my breath.
What attacks? I am sure the man who began this particular schism had excellent and justifiable reaons for his actions; reasons that are acknowledged by Canon Law don'cha'know and "necessity" and "state of emergency and "answering to God" and "eternal Rome" and "we are the real traditionalists" blah, blah, blah
Magisterium,
Schuckhardt was one of the founders of CMRI. After some of his more destructive actions came to light, CMRI priests rebelled. He was ousted. He ended up in prison I believe -- but I could be wrong. I think he was in prison because of a drug charge (prescription drugs I think).
After that, CMRI was without a bishop for several years. Then, at the request of a sedevacantist bishop in Mexico (look up the Trento priests at Google.com), Fr. Tarcinius was consecrated as Bishop Pivaranus at the tender age of 32. Since then CMRI has tried really hard to clean up its act and avoid cult like behaviors, etc. They were so successful that more mainstream sedevacantists like Daniel Dolan formed an association with them. Pivaranus consecrated Dolan about a decade ago. (Just look up "Dolan Gertrude the Great" at google.com for more info).
Well, here are some sites:
http://www.cmri.org/
http://www.catholicrestoration.org/seminary/dolan.htm
And this is a veritable clearinghouse: http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Cath_Links_Priest_Groups.html
Here is a pro-sedevacantist website from Poland that covers all sedevacantist happenings in the world -- NO JOKE: http://www.wandea.org.pl/english.htm
I hope that helps.
"It's interesting how MSNBC mangles things in the first line of the story, and continues the mangling all through it."
You perhaps expected...exactly what from them? Innuendo is what they thrive on. You cannot believe the arguments (well, perhaps you can!) I get about being a traditionalist Catholic, and what we are about. Thanks to intentionally incomplete (false) reporting in large part.
Thanks, Vladimir. The CMRI group is circling like vultures in the Archdiocese of Boston, looking for two kinds of people. First, they are looking for the terminally disaffected, de facto ex-Catholics who have left the Church after the damage caused in the sex-abuse mega-scandal. Second, they are clearly looking to use both the abuse scandal AND the Tridentine Mass site's impending closure as a "hook" to grab as many "traditionalists" into their camp as possible. Most of what they do is actually pretty good sounding:they teach catechism to adults who were never catechized, they teach people to pray, they teach people solid Church history, etc. The problem is in the word "most." They are sedevacantists who try to dodge the appelation even when it so clearly fits them. They reject the Novus Ordo outright. They reject all lawfully constituted Church authority. In short, they are wolves in sheep's clothing who will seemingly attempt to "restore" the Faith even while they are undermining its very foundations and structure.
Yet the powers-that-be in the chancery aeem unconcerned...
A Simple, Common Sense Rebuttal to SSPX, SSPV and CMRI
www.josephdwight.spaces.live.com
thanks for the links
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