New San Francisco Archbishop Thinks Gay Propaganda Film "Brokeback Mountain" is "Very Powerful"

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/13/06 | John-Henry Westen

[RunningWolf]

I'll forgo that to another thread sometime.

Hey tell me about the airplanes you drive.

I have some hours here and there over the years /less than a hundred?/ (fixed and rotor, turbine) and enough sit-awareness cool under pressure, etc that I might be able to get myself down in things I haven't flown.

Take Care,

Wolf

[narses]

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[Coleus]

http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm?task=singledisplay&recnum=3423

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm

http://www.streamload.com/Deliver/Deliver.asp?cxInstID=45740628&nodeID=1012804193&action=2&isDelivery=true&forceSaveAs=true&returnPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Estreamload%2Ecom%2FNodes%2FNode%2Easp%3FcxInstID%3D45740628%26nodeID%3D955567202

[TradicalRC]

Thounds thwell.

[presidio9]

I wish POPE JOHN PAUL II was still alive.

Why? What leads you to believe he would have suddenly done something about this issue?

[RunningWolf]

I do not know what he could do, but his position was known by his words.

FOXNews.com - US & World News - Obituary: Pope John Paul II.. He was vehemently opposed to homosexual sex, pre- and extra-marital sex

Wolf

[dangus]

Notes as I listen to his interview:

1. His enforcement of the no-poofters rule in seminaries seems likely to be weak. He doesn't clearly define that even chaste homomsexuals do not belong in the priesthood, although he raises some interesting points about sexual maturity.

2. He did not accept that homosexuality was THE cause of the pedophilia, but he emphasized "the" in a way as if to suggest that he noted that most of the pedophiles were gay and that it might be a major factor. He emphasized he was not an expert at such issues.

3. Asked why a gay or lesbian would want to enter the Catholic church, he replied that the Catholic church mercifully helps people along the journey to perfection.

4. Favorite author outside scripture: Anne Padgett (sp?) Very highly thinks of "The Habit of Being" by Flannery O'Connor (sp?).

5. Liked Munich, Capote, thought Syriana was too long but well-done... Noted that he hadn't seen Narnia, but in a way which infers he would like to see it.

6. His reference to Brokeback Mountain being "very powerful" is not in any way praise. Notes the movie shows the evil of living a double life, being dishonest and being unfaithful.

7. Considers the call to celibacy outside of heterosexual marriage "a very high bar" to set, but must be adhered to. Says we (catholics) must respect them, but they must respect Catholic values and recognize that Catholics help everyone.

All in all, he was presenting a friendly (soft?) face to a difficult audience, but nothing he said betrays any open or secretly held heretical views. Rather disappointing on seminary reform, but all in all, there is certainly no basis for removal.

[DoNotDivide]

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[Aquinasfan]

I thought it was three strikes and you're out. That was about five.

[NYer]

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[bourbon]

He added that "one of the lessons (of the film) is the destructiveness of not being honest with yourself and not honest with other people and not being faithful, trying to live a double life."

GAG!

[trisham]

Beyond that, Niederauer had this to say when asked what he thought of the film Brokeback Mountain. While the film has been condemned by pro-family groups as a dangerous homosexual propaganda film, Niederauer admitted to seeing the film and remarked on it saying it was "very powerful". He added that "one of the lessons (of the film) is the destructiveness of not being honest with yourself and not honest with other people and not being faithful, trying to live a double life."

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It is my impression that the Archbishop is trying to walk a very fine line here. He will undoubtedly find however, that he cannot please two masters.

[Antoninus]

In a few brief months, BXVI has already done a better job. But I think the appointment of Levada (a mistake but not a fatal one, since the new definition of Levada's position makes him just a pencil pusher) and the new SF bishop (a serious mistake, recommended by Levada) are going to present major credibility problems for him.

Indeed. It appears that both of these guys are turkeys. There must be a strategy here. God only knows what it is.

[sitetest]

"Because when we're talking about pedophilia we're talking about a sickness, an illness, an aberration."


If the scandal had been primarily about pedophilia, he might almost have a point.

It was not. It was about chicken-hawking.

The scandal was/is about homosexual men in the priesthood.

[B Knotts]

The only surprise here is that anyone is surprised.

Abp. Niederauer had some notable classmates at St. John's in Camarillo: Abp. Levada and Cdl. Mahony.

San Francisco needed someone like Fr. Fessio. Yes, it would shrink the Church in that area in the short term, but it would strengthen her in the long run.

[SaltyJoe]

I have faith that the Holy Spirit is hard at work for our present Pope. If errors persist with American Catholic Clergy, then such leadership will be promoted up and out.

Recall the readings a few days back (Feb 9th, 2006):

For Moses said,
Honor your father and your mother,
and Whoever curses father or mother shall die.
Yet you say,
‘If someone says to father or mother,
“Any support you might have had from me is qorban”’
(meaning, dedicated to God),
you allow him to do nothing more for his father or mother.
You nullify the word of God
in favor of your tradition that you have handed on.
And you do many such things.”

In as much a parent may be abusive, we are still called to forgive, as we are adopted children of the Heavenly Father. This must be done to win acceptance of Jesus' Mercy. This forgiving Love is the only Reality to which we may cling beyond mortal death.

Concidering Matt 5: 43-48, if forgiveness for our parents is demanded by Jesus, then how much more is it demanded of other leaders (especially spiritual leaders) not of our own flesh and blood? Where's the challenge in only giving forgiveness to our own family members? Jesus splits the Natural family against each other (Matt 10: 34-36) that He may teach us to heal the unnatural division Satan sows among the entire Human Family. And, the welding of such ripped fabric in the Mystical Body of Christ is a mend much stronger than the untorn fabric around it. The Grace of Reconciliation and the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist makes it so (sew).

It is right to reject, and at times discpipline, the folly of a dying generation. But, euthanasia is still murder and intrinsically evil. How would we want God to correct us and all of our own personal offenses against Him? To separate the poisoning influence of a dead generation from newborns will be punishment enough for grandparents who misspent their industrious years proving themselves wrong.

[Deo volente]

"one of the lessons (of the film) is the destructiveness of not being honest with yourself and not honest with other people and not being faithful, trying to live a double life."




A very disturbing quote. The archbishop seems to imply that the only problem was the adultery, "not being faithful" (to their wives), and leading a "double life".
In other words, he seems to imply that everything would be fine if the men had been unmarried. Then they could have been "honest with other people" and not have had to "lead a double life".

By the way, this nonsense about "being honest with yourself" is modernist psychobabble which is used to affirm homosexuals in their disorder. One of the steps in the seminary admission process is to get the candidate to "be honest with himself" about his "sexuality". If the candidate is a homosexual, it's usually no problem as long as he is "honest with himself" about it. Men who are normal heterosexuals have a lot more hoops to jump through to get in.
And if they're conservative to boot, heaven help them!

[livius]

I agree. I keep puzzling over it, looking for that hidden strategy, but if there is one, it's sure pretty well concealed!

[Antoninus]

San Francisco needed someone like Fr. Fessio. Yes, it would shrink the Church in that area in the short term, but it would strengthen her in the long run.

I couldn't agree more. God only knows what's really going on.

[rogator]

"What I find most surprising is that Niederauer was formerly in Utah, which is extremely conservative."

Utah might be conservative, but the Mass as offered in some Salt Lake City parishes is anything but.
Illicit liturgy is often a sign of weak doctrine.
Nothing this bishop might say would surprise me.