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Another kind of Catholic: Breakaway groups reject Vatican teachings
Miami Herald ^ | February 25, 2006 | Alexandra Alter

Posted on 02/25/2006 10:40:21 AM PST by NYer

Terry Villaire, 69, has a neatly trimmed black goatee, pudgy expressive hands and penetrating dark eyes that are hard to avoid, even from the back pew.

During a recent Mass at Holy Angels Parish in Fort Lauderdale, Villaire seemed more like a party host than a presiding bishop as he circulated, distributing kisses on ready lips and cheeks. Just as effortlessly, he slipped into the solemnity of a centuries-old ritual, singing over a wine chalice and wafers.

''Our motto is love without judgment, and that's piqued some curiosity,'' said Villaire, a former Roman Catholic priest who's now a bishop in an independent Catholic movement.

In hundreds of homes and parishes around the country, former Roman Catholic priests like Villaire are leading a grass-roots movement to redefine Catholicism at a time when the Vatican has urged greater orthodoxy.

Villaire's small but growing 40-person congregation, made up mostly of former Roman Catholics, meets every Sunday at a Unity church on the Intracoastal Waterway in a shady Fort Lauderdale suburb.

''Most of us were born and raised as Catholics, and in good conscience I still see myself as Catholic,'' said Villaire, who conducted Mass in green and white clerical robes and a red silk miter.

His denomination, the National Catholic Church, was founded by Villaire and 10 other former Roman Catholic priests in 1994. It now has 22 priests and five parishes from Miami to Jacksonville, and touts ''Vatican-free'' Catholicism on its website.

MEETING OPPOSITION

The spread of independent Catholic communities -- Catholic congregations that reject Vatican teachings on issues such as priestly celibacy, women's ordination, divorce and papal infallibility -- has met skepticism and opposition from many mainstream Roman Catholics.

The Rev. Joseph Fessio, provost of Ave Maria University in Naples, said groups that reject the authority of Rome are ''by definition'' no longer Catholic.

''To be a Catholic is to accept the authority of the bishops in union with the pope to determine what we believe,'' said Fessio, a former theology student of Cardinal Joesph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI. 'To say, `I want to be a Catholic but I don't want to accept all the teachings the church declares as part of myself' is like saying, 'Well, I want to be an employee of Ford Motor Company but I don't want to follow any of their rules.' ''

But as more of the faithful embrace alternative forms of Catholicism, splinter groups have started pushing radical reform by ordaining women and married men, forming their own parishes and worship communities and writing their own canon law.

''There's a real struggle going on right now in the Catholic Church in terms of what it means to be Catholic,'' said Angela Bonavoglia, author of Good Catholic Girls: How Women Are Leading the Fight to Change the Church. ``We've got a pope right now who has implied that a smaller, more orthodox church may be the direction the church is going in.''

More than 300 nontraditional Catholic congregations have formed in the United States, said Kathleen Kautzer, an associate professor of sociology at Regis College in Weston, Mass., who is writing a book on what she's termed the ''underground'' Catholic Church. Many more such parishes may exist but do not advertise, she said.

''There's a whole range of ways that you can be Catholic and stay connected to Catholicism,'' said Kautzer.

``Reformers believe that some day the church will change, but it's becoming intolerable. They're saying that being a Catholic is bigger than the teachings of the Catholic Church.''

Many groups call themselves Traditional Catholic, Old Catholic, United Catholic and Ecumenical Catholic -- some claiming spiritual roots as old as the Roman Catholic Church.

Some belong to independent Catholic movements that have been around for centuries after breaking with the Roman Catholic Church, while others have formed in the last five years. Miami and Fort Lauderdale each have more than a dozen independent Catholic congregations, members of the movement say.

Roman Catholic Church officials say calling such churches Catholic can be misleading, however.

''Our concern is that Roman Catholics aren't confused by the use of the word Catholic,'' said Mary Ross Agosta, a spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of Miami. 'At times, we have received phone calls from people who say, `I went to the Catholic church in my neighborhood and it wasn't a Roman Catholic church.' ''

The Archdiocese of Miami issues periodic disclaimers in its diocesan newspaper warning against Catholic churches that are not under the authority of the Vatican. Other U.S. dioceses take similar measures.

Some have gone further than printing disclaimers.

EXCOMMUNICATIONS

Last December, the Diocese of San Bernardino, Calif., excommunicated a former Roman Catholic priest and charged him with heresy for joining the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, a denomination that denies church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and the ordination of women. The Rev. Ned Reidy countered that he was no longer under the jurisdiction of Rome. In 2002, seven Catholic women were excommunicated after being ordained in Germany by a bishop from a sect that broke with Rome. They refused a Vatican request to renounce their vows.

To some worshipers, however, underground Catholic parishes offer a chance to practice Catholic liturgy and rituals without the dogma. ''It's nonjudgmental Catholicism,'' said Angela Ochmanski, a former Roman Catholic who joined Holy Angels Parish last November after receiving a church flier in the 1mail.

Like many parishioners at Holy Angels, Ochmanski disagrees with the Vatican's teaching that homosexual relationships and remarriage after divorce are sins, but still feels connected to the Catholic Church. Services at Holy Angels appeal both to her spiritual sensibility and her social values, she said.

''I felt more of an understanding of the way that Bishop Villaire interprets the Catholic teaching,'' she said.

HISTORIC ROOTS

Independent Catholic movements go back at least until the 11th century, and many have been incorporated by the Vatican as Roman Catholic religious orders since then, said theology professor Ed Sunshine of Barry University.

After the reforms of Vatican II in the 1960s, a wide range of independent Catholic groups formed in the United States. Traditionalists who felt the reforms veered too far from the church's roots broke away from the Vatican, while liberals left because they felt the church was still too conservative.

Dormant for decades, the Catholic reform movement has been gathering momentum in recent years, led by lay groups such as Voice of the Faithful, which formed in response to the sexual abuse crisis. About 70,000 Catholics belong to reform groups, Bonavoglia and other experts say.

Sunshine believes the Vatican will eventually absorb splinter groups into its hierarchy, much as it did with religious orders such as the Franciscans. ''The Roman Catholic church thinks in terms of centuries,'' he said.

But to some leaders of dissident Catholic groups, differences with Rome are too vast and various to be bridged. Some say they are ministering to disenfranchised Catholics who feel alienated from the church, while others say they themselves felt like outcasts.

Paul Veliyathil, a former Roman Catholic priest who leads weekly prayer and discussion for lapsed Roman Catholics in his Coral Springs home, spent 13 years as a priest in India, Canada and the United States before breaking with Roman Catholicism over a host of issues, ranging from the prohibition on birth control to the infallibility of the pope.

''I couldn't honestly teach some of the teachings of the church,'' said Veliyathil, who started holding meetings at a Lutheran church five years ago. ``Every time you put on the collar, you are a representative of the church, and it's a very difficult cognitive dissonance.''

Bishop Villaire, who was raised Roman Catholic in Bay City, Mich., said he felt called to the priesthood at a young age. But shortly after being ordained in 1965, he started to feel uncomfortable with church teachings condemning divorce and birth control, he said.

His father, a grocer, and his mother, a beautician, had raised him to believe ''the customer is always right,'' he said. Denying communion to divorced Catholics made him uncomfortable, he said.

''We had people in parishes who were in a second marriage and they felt that they were on the outside looking in,'' he said. ``I encouraged them to come to communion. That put me at odds with the church.''

After 30 years of ministry in parishes, college campuses and hospices, Villaire broke with the Roman church to join an independent movement. In 1998, he was ordained as a bishop by seven independent Catholic bishops in the lineage of Old Catholic Church, a schismatic group that broke with Rome after the church declared the pope infallible in 1870.

Now, he's seeking to expand his flock through church fliers and advertisements that promise ``love without judgment.''

''We did not want to deceive people in saying that we continue to be Roman Catholic, but we function very much in the same way we did before,'' he said.

At a recent Mass, Villaire led the congregation in a revised version of the Mass, administering communion and offering healing through a laying on of hands. Aside from subtle differences -- no one knelt during the service, and no references were made to the pope -- Villaire conducted a traditional Catholic liturgy.

Even some seminarians can fail to spot differences in such services.

The Rev. Ricardo Rivera, a former Roman Catholic seminarian who was ordained as a priest in the National Catholic Church last November, said he did not realize he was joining an independent Catholic movement when he first attended Mass at an independent Catholic church in Fort Lauderdale.

''The liturgy is the same, everything is the same,'' said Rivera, who joined the National Catholic church after moving to South Florida from Puerto Rico two years ago.

Rivera now serves as a priest at Santa Barbara Catholic Church, a Spanish-speaking independent Catholic parish in Little Havana with about 400 parishioners, many from Cuba and Central America. The simple, white church is adorned with large statues of the Virgin Mary and other saints. A wall of votive candles flickers in the back corner.

''It's confusing for some people,'' Rivera said. ``Most of the people that come to the church visiting, they are under the impression that we're Roman Catholics.''


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: cinos; imposters; phonies; protestants

THE INDEPENDENTS: The congregation of Santa Barbara Catholic Church worships during Sunday Mass.


THE INDEPENDENTS: Father Eric Martinez, right, greets Lorenzo Portales at the Little Havana church, which has attracted about 400 parishioners, many from Cuba and Central America.

1 posted on 02/25/2006 10:40:24 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
The same reporter has also posted the following article in today's edition of the Miami Herald.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE CATHOLIC?

The rise of independent Catholic communities that reject the authority of the Vatican raises new questions about what constitutes a Catholic. Many Catholic groups have formed outside of the authority of Rome but still maintain some elements of Catholic spirituality such as the liturgy, Eucharist and much of the catechism.

''Technically, they're not Catholic in the sense of belonging to the church, but they're Catholic in terms of spirituality,'' said Ed Sunshine, a professor of theology at Barry University.

``Catholic spirituality goes a lot further than the organized Catholic Church.''

Some Catholic denominations have formed their own clerical hierarchies and rites but are still in communion with Rome. Sacraments in those churches are regarded as valid by Roman Catholics. They include the Armenian Catholic Church, the Syrian Catholic Church and the Maronite Catholic Church, among others.

Several schismatic Catholic groups have rejected the Vatican's authority but maintain they have valid ordination lineages tracing to the Old Catholic Church -- which broke from Rome in the 1870s over the issue of papal infallibility -- and other lineages.

2 posted on 02/25/2006 10:43:03 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Another ping for ya.


3 posted on 02/25/2006 10:46:42 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NYer

I'm not a praticing Catholic, nor a good Catholic, but I know that these folks AREN'T Catholic. Roman Catholicism isn't a Horn and Hardart or cafeteria, where you walk through the line and take what you want and leave the rest.And these people can delude themselves all they want. But if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's an Episcopalean.


4 posted on 02/25/2006 10:47:34 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

Hey ,folks! "You ain't seen nothing yet!" There is still that so-called "Society of St. Pius X," some of whose by blows are really wild, such as "His Holiness Pope Pius XIII."

While I odn't know if he, himself, is "still with it," a local St. Pius X preist told us here in El Paso a few years back that "His Holiness" had that same priest's "seminary dorm father."

Wow! And just what kind of "spiritual advice and counsel" would "His Holiness" have been dising out, 24/7?

Anyway, here he is, in all his little boys dress-up regalia:

www.truecatholic.org/pope/

Keep the faith, and better yet, a sense of humour to go with it!


5 posted on 02/25/2006 10:53:59 AM PST by Dennis Paul Morony (Semper Fi!)
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To: PzLdr; Salvation
I'm not a praticing Catholic, nor a good Catholic

Well you certainly have an excellent understanding of 'authentic' catholicism. Kudos! :-)

Whatever is holding you back from practicing your Catholic faith, you have come to the right forum. Many of us have strayed over the years, only to rediscover our faith and have it strengthened by the catholics at FR.

It was here that I learned about the Eastern Catholic Churches. After years of battling liturgical abuse at my former RC parish, I set off to find a new parish and included two Eastern Catholic Churches on the list. Two years ago I stepped into a Maronite Catholic Church (in full communion with the Holy Father and Magisterium) and knew I was home.

As we begin Lent this week, you may want to join the two Catholic Ping lists maintained by myself and freeper, Salvation. Just freepmail us if you would like to be added to our lists. I can assure you, you will learn much about the Catholic Church that you never knew, meet some truly awesome catholics and perhaps make some new friends.

Pax et Bonum

6 posted on 02/25/2006 11:08:23 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Dennis Paul Morony
Welcome to Free Republic!

Hope you will accept this invitation to join the Catholic ping lists maintained by myself and freeper, Salvation. Rest assured you will learn much about your Catholic faith and meet some great folks. Just freepmail us if you would like to be added to the lists.

Pax et Bonum

7 posted on 02/25/2006 11:13:55 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Sounds like they just can't bring themselves to admit they are high church Episcopalians or English-Catholic Church.

So9

8 posted on 02/25/2006 11:24:17 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (" I am just going outside, and may be some time.")
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To: NYer
a former Roman Catholic priest who's now a bishop in an independent Catholic movement.

OK, enlighten me. Why wouldn't this group be considered another "protestant" group?

9 posted on 02/25/2006 12:07:35 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: NYer
"Our motto is love without judgment..."

Their praying that in the end will be The Last Non-Judgement where all the sheep and goats can get together.

10 posted on 02/25/2006 12:26:44 PM PST by Faraday
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To: aimhigh

Thats a good question. They feel drawn to the truth, yet reject it still. Amazing.


11 posted on 02/25/2006 12:30:29 PM PST by SaintDismas
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and in good conscience I still see myself as Catholic,'' said Villaire,

Should read "relative conscience".

We've been firsthand witnesses to these types of imposters right here on FR.

12 posted on 02/25/2006 12:31:47 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: NYer
Did not a Bishop from Oregon say that the word heretic should come back in vogue. I am afraid the Church is running scared especially when I hear priests say we do not want to lose them. (those who disagree or do things that are not within the rubrics of the Church)
13 posted on 02/25/2006 12:35:47 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


14 posted on 02/25/2006 1:37:59 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: franky

Yes, Bishop VASA!


15 posted on 02/25/2006 1:40:55 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: franky
“Pro-Choice” Position is Heresy Says Oregon Catholic Bishop
16 posted on 02/25/2006 1:42:50 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dennis Paul Morony

Welcome to Free Republic. You might be interested in hearing the mp3 audio of Father Franz Schmidberger's recent speech in Kansas City, last month, regarding the relationship between the SSPX and the Vatican:

http://box26.bluehost.com/~labtwoni/mp3/20060127.mp3


17 posted on 02/25/2006 2:50:28 PM PST by Ozone34
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To: Dennis Paul Morony

Dear Dennis Paul Morony,

The fellow who stylizes himself "Pope Pius XIII" is not part of the SSPX.

Although I've heard that some folks in the SSPX are sedevacantist, the Society is officially not sedevacantist, and currently recognize no other pontiff other than Pope Benedict XVI.


sitetest


18 posted on 02/25/2006 3:13:34 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Army Air Corps; NYer

Well, they aren't Catholics, but I guess they like to call themselves Catholics.


19 posted on 02/25/2006 3:27:05 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: NYer
''Most of us were born and raised as Catholics, and in good conscience I still see myself as Catholic,'' said Villaire

And I can "see" myself as a dancer in NY Ballet but that doesn't make me one.
20 posted on 02/25/2006 3:52:52 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Despite the fact that I am not Catholic, I have great respect and affinity for the Catholic Church (thanks to having many Catholic friends and living in communites with large Catholic populations). These folks seem to want all of the accoutrements of the Church without the doctrine. To me, they appear to be more protestant than Catholic.


21 posted on 02/25/2006 4:24:46 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: aimhigh
Why wouldn't this group be considered another "protestant" group?

They are ... but they choose to retain the word 'catholic'.

22 posted on 02/25/2006 4:27:41 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Army Air Corps
To me, they appear to be more protestant than Catholic.

I concur with that.

23 posted on 02/25/2006 6:33:26 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: NYer
Why wouldn't this group be considered another "protestant" group? They are ... but they choose to retain the word 'catholic'.

Wolves in sheeps clothing here. Episcopalians and Lutherans have a similar liturgy but are honest about not being in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

24 posted on 02/25/2006 7:40:12 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: NYer
. ''Our motto is love without judgment, and that's piqued some curiosity,'' said Villaire, a former Roman Catholic priest who's now a bishop in an independent Catholic movement.

''Most of us were born and raised as Catholics, and in good conscience I still see myself as Catholic,'' said Villaire... Bishop Villaire, who was raised Roman Catholic in Bay City, Mich., said he felt called to the priesthood at a young age. But shortly after being ordained in 1965, he started to feel uncomfortable with church teachings condemning divorce and birth control, he said.

His father, a grocer, and his mother, a beautician, had raised him to believe ''the customer is always right,'' he said. Denying communion to divorced Catholics made him uncomfortable, he said.

''We had people in parishes who were in a second marriage and they felt that they were on the outside looking in,'' he said. ``I encouraged them to come to communion. That put me at odds with the church.''

*Typical fraud. "...love without judgement.." for him is a demostrable LIE. He judges the Church guilty in its Doctrine and Orthopraxis and judges himself innocent in his priestly perfidy and heterodoxy.

But, he does it with a smile...ot it's ok, I guess.

John 7 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge just judgment.

1 John 3 18 My little children, let us not love in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth. 19 In this we know that we are of the truth: and in his sight shall persuade our hearts. 20 For if our heart reprehend us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Dearly beloved, if our heart do not reprehend us, we have confidence towards God: 22 And whatsoever we shall ask, we shall receive of him: because we keep his commandments, and do those things which are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ: and love one another, as he hath given commandment unto us. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments, abideth in him, and he in him. And in this we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

25 posted on 02/26/2006 3:15:54 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: NYer; bornacatholic; Salvation

The unasked question here is WHY? Why is the Miami Herald reporting this non-story?

Could it be to lend credibility to those who are in schism with the Catholic churches?

Naturally, an objective mainstream newspaper such as the Miami Herald wouldn't allow it's editorial perspective to bleed over into it's reporting. (/sarcasm)


26 posted on 02/26/2006 6:00:00 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Fish gotta swim

Birds gotta fly

Liberal Press gotta attack Christianity

27 posted on 02/26/2006 1:43:30 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: NYer

''I felt more of an understanding of the way that Bishop Villaire interprets the Catholic teaching,'' she said.

Never mind the way the Catholic teachings have been interpreted for centuries, this guy got it right.


28 posted on 02/27/2006 5:52:52 AM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: NYer

''I felt more of an understanding of the way that Bishop Villaire interprets the Catholic teaching,'' she said.

Never mind the way the Catholic teachings have been interpreted for centuries, this guy got it right.


29 posted on 02/27/2006 5:52:53 AM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: NYer

"His father, a grocer, and his mother, a beautician, had raised him to believe ''the customer is always right,'' he said. Denying communion to divorced Catholics made him uncomfortable, he said."

Poor thing, he doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.


30 posted on 02/27/2006 5:54:45 AM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: mikey565
Welcome to Free Republic!

I maintain a Catholic Ping List to alert freepers to news stories that may be of interest to them. Please freepmail me if you would like to be added to the list.

31 posted on 02/27/2006 7:23:19 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
Old Catholic Church....Ecumenical Catholic Church.....Traditional Catholic Church.....New Catholic Church......Independent Catholic Church......True Catholic Church......Reformed Catholic Church.......Liberal Catholic Church....blah, blah, blah...........

Meet the people in a quandry.

Moved by the same instincts as those who have abandoned the faith down the centuries yet still convinced that it's important to be Catholic.

Solution: change the faith to suit yourself but still keep the name.

32 posted on 02/27/2006 8:05:38 AM PST by marshmallow
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