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1 posted on 03/26/2006 5:26:58 AM PST by siunevada
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"new bishops of the "official" Church in China"

What were the saints of old prior to the official Church?


2 posted on 03/26/2006 10:39:57 AM PST by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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Most bishops of the "official" Church are now recognized by the Vatican-- in several cases, quite openly-- and the Holy See insists that there is only one Catholic Church in China.

Since the start of his pontificate, Benedict XVI has made diplomatic gestures to China, hoping for an improvement in relations. Cardinal Zen has said that he hopes his new status as a cardinal will make it easier for him to act as an intermediary with Chinese government officials, paving the way for a restoration of the diplomatic relations that were broken off in 1951 after the establishment of the Communist regime in China.


AFP - Sat Mar 25, 2:37 PM ET Pope Benedict XVI gives his cardinal ring to newly appointed Joseph Zen of Hong Kong on St Peter square, in Vatican. The Pope celebrated mass in St Peter's Square with 15 new cardinals closing ceremonies for the first consistory of his pontificate.(AFP/Alberto Pizzoli)

3 posted on 03/26/2006 3:38:19 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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**new bishops of the "official" Church in China want to be in full communion with the Holy See, Cardinal Joseph Zen told reporters in Rome on March 24.**

I don't think this will happen, because the official church for the Chinese is different than the official church for the Vatican.

The REAL Catholic Church in China is all underground since Catholics are currently being persecuted and killed there.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 4:10:27 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Remote Catholic Community Maintains Faith Without Priest For 50 Years

Vatican condemns bishops' arrest

Seven Catholic priests arrested in Hebei

Church persecution and growth in China

Chinese Bishops Want Vatican Approval

5 posted on 03/26/2006 4:13:21 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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This link from "Angry Twins" Chinese Catholic blog, explains a bit about the Chinese underground

http://angrytwins.blogspot.com/2005/03/glimpse-into-underground-church.html

The Chinese are very intelligent indeed. Some must be taking the lessons of history very seriously. I'll wager that some in the CCP have calculated that it's not worth fighting what God creates.

There's a plethora of state-sponsored persecution throughout history even before Jesus instituted the Catholic Church. Jewish kings had tried to desecrate Faith and they failed, too.

Perhaps there'll be a renewed interest in Emperor Constantine and other defenders of the Faith. In spite of human history trying to "talk" (coercion) people from abandoning God, there have been other noteworthy champions that have upheld and defended the authority of the Church...even if grudgingly so. More success has been gained by temporal leaders who've supported the mission of the Church to bring souls to Jesus then by those tyrants who've tried to undermine, politicize, and/or maliciously and overtly persecute the Apostolic Faith.
9 posted on 03/27/2006 4:24:37 AM PST by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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