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'Gospel of Judas' gives new view of Jesus' betrayer
Reuters ^ | 4/6/06 | Deborah Zabarenko

Posted on 04/06/2006 7:11:35 PM PDT by freedom44

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Judas Iscariot, vilified as Christ's betrayer, acted at Jesus' request in turning him over to the authorities who crucified him, according to a 1,700-year-old copy of the "Gospel of Judas" unveiled on Thursday.

In an alternative view to traditional Christian teaching, the Judas gospel shows the reviled disciple as the only one in Jesus' inner circle who understood his desire to shed his earthly body.

"He's the good guy in this portrayal," said Bart Ehrman, a religion professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "He's the only apostle who understands Jesus."

The Judas gospel's introduction says it is "the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot." Later, it quotes Jesus as saying to Judas, "You will exceed all of them (the other disciples) for you will sacrifice the man who clothes me."

"The idea in this gospel is that Jesus, like all of us, is a trapped spirit, who is trapped in a material body," Ehrman said. "And salvation comes when we escape the materiality of our existence, and Judas is the one who makes it possible for him to escape by allowing for his body to be killed."

Rev. Donald Senior, president of Catholic Theological Union in Chicago, said the document revealed the diversity and vitality in early Christianity.

"The question becomes ... does this tradition, this alternative story, if you like, in the gospel of Judas have a claim that in some sense is equal to the rival claim of the gospel tradition?" Senior said.

It is not known who wrote the Judas gospel. The copy unveiled on Thursday is of a document mentioned critically in the year 180 in a treatise called "Against Heresies," written by Irenaeus, bishop of Lyon in what was then Roman Gaul. It spoke out against those whose views about Jesus differed from those of the mainstream Christian Church.

In the Bible's New Testament, Judas is portrayed as the quintessential traitor, accepting 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus by identifying him to Roman soldiers. The biblical Gospel of St. Matthew says Judas quickly regretted his treachery, returned the silver and hanged himself.

The New Testament contains four Gospels -- of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- but many more so-called apocryphal gospels were written in the first centuries after Christ's death, attributed to such disciples as Thomas and Philip and to his female follower Mary Magdalene.

HIDDEN IN EGYPTIAN DESERT

Ehrman, Senior and other experts on Christianity spoke at a briefing at the National Geographic Society, which unveiled a translation of the Judas gospel and which helped authenticate, preserve and translate the document.

The leather-bound copy of the gospel was written in Coptic script on both sides of 13 sheets of papyrus, and spent most of the past 1,700 years hidden in a cavern in the Egyptian desert, said Terry Garcia of the National Geographic Society.

This document was probably copied from the original Greek manuscript around the year 300, Garcia said. Discovered in the 1970s near Minya, Egypt, the volume -- including the gospel and other documents -- was sold to an Egyptian antiquities dealer in 1978.

The dealer offered it for sale without success, and eventually locked it in a bank safe deposit box in Hicksville, New York, for 16 years, which hastened its decay. In images displayed at the briefing, the papyrus looked like brown, dry autumn leaves.

Garcia said it had crumbled into more than 1,000 pieces.

In 2001, the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Switzerland began an effort to transcribe and translate the volume from the Coptic. In the next years, scientific tests -- including radiocarbon dating, ink analysis and multispectral imaging -- showed the document was copied down around 300.

The Judas gospel is being published in book form by National Geographic and pages from the papyrus manuscript will be on display at the society's museum in Washington starting on Friday. The manuscript will ultimately be housed at the Coptic Museum in Cairo.


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1 posted on 04/06/2006 7:11:36 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
Judas sounds like Michael Schiavo. They think they've done such a great thing in the death of another.
2 posted on 04/06/2006 7:16:08 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: freedom44
I've heard something about this - but it seems odd that papyrus would last 1,700 years, and then be transported to Hicksville, NY for storage ... just my $.02
3 posted on 04/06/2006 7:17:27 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522
It was stored in the same place as the famous Hitler Diaries, that's why!
4 posted on 04/06/2006 7:19:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: freedom44
Non of the apostles understands 'the Christ' until the Holy Spirit reveals himself to each one....

Jesus himself said of Peter...when he asked Peter who Peter thought him (Jesus) to be....Peter answered Jesus "Thou are the Christ the Son of the Living God"...

Jesus response was..."Blessed art thou Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Holy Spirit"...

Flesh and blood will never 'understand' The Christ....only the Holy Spirit can and will reveal Jesus to us...if He is willing...

"Lord I believe...help my unbelief"...

According to the bible Judas became 'The "keeper of the purse" that he might be able to steal from it'....

The bible also tells us that when Judas decided to betray Jesus..."SATAN ENTERED INTO HIM"...catch that....Judas' act of betrayal was the act of a man possessed by the devil..the very same devil that tempted Christ and failed and the very same devil that afflicted those Jesus healed and in some cases drove that very same devil out of...

There is NOTHING in Judas that is any good....even his death by suicide...he hung himself when Jesus was crucified...

Speculate all you like as to his reasons...but do not sell them as gospel or anything other than twisted history and logic...

imo
5 posted on 04/06/2006 7:23:54 PM PDT by joesnuffy (This 'Guest Worker Program' Is To Border Security as 'Campaign Finance Reform' Is To Free Speech)
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To: freedom44

This sounds like just another of the "Gnostic Gospels" many of which were discovered in Dag Hamadi (sp?) in Egypt in the 1940s. Written a couple of hundred years after the real Gospels, they were a heresy well-known from history - though the actualy works didn't reappear til the 1940s.

Really, there is no "there" there. Its an old story. It is interesting from a historical perspective, but as for religious guidance its credibility is close to nil...


6 posted on 04/06/2006 7:29:29 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: freedom44

I'll stick with the King James of 1611 the version that has the anointing. The rest of these **other books** are pretty much worthless. All through the ages all these other secret books have been put out trying to put a spin on who Jesus is NOT. Don't believe any of them...


7 posted on 04/06/2006 7:29:37 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Al Simmons

You are referring to the Neg Hamadi scrolls and yes, this sounds very similar.

Interesting from a historical perspective, as this sort of thing does show some of the tribulations of the early Christian Church.


8 posted on 04/06/2006 7:33:11 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: joesnuffy
I don't see what the big 'news' is here over this new manuscript. I remember from assigned readings in my 'New Testament' course back in college that there were Coptic & Ethiopian Christian traditions that had Judas as a saint. They had stories where he didn't kill himself & 'repented' and proselytized for the faith.
9 posted on 04/06/2006 7:33:21 PM PDT by Reily
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To: joesnuffy

I understand and do not disagree with what you are saying here... but at the same time one wonders about his personal accountability since what he did was necessary in order for prophecy to be fulfilled and for Christ to die for our salvation. This kinda gets into that confusing area between free-will and pre-destination.
I am just glad it is not my place to pass judgement upon Judas.


10 posted on 04/06/2006 7:35:26 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: SouthernFreebird

Judas is the most problematic of the disciples. His fervor and commitment to the Lord have never been in question. His behavior in sacrificing Jesus was undoubtedly motivated by his deep belief that Jesus would escape the snares of his enemies as he had done many times before. On this occasion, we can assume, Judas believed that Jesus would establish his earthly kingdom.
The betrayal of Judas is the same betrayal of which each of us is guilty. We seek an earthly kingdom and sacrifice our spiritual gifts to achieve our vision.
The image of Judas as co conspirator with Jesus is not a contemporary view. It is based in a belief that spirit can only escape flesh through death. This is not our understanding of Jesus. Traditional Christianity views Jesus as the perfection of the human condition fulfilled by the perfect presence of God. Jesus' death is a terrible sacrifice. His ressurection from death, His return to life, provides a Way for mankind to overcome sin sickness and share in the perfection of Jesus as Christ. It is not at all clear that the writer of this early heresy accepted the earthly divinity of Jesus.
The fragment is from the Persian tradition of Manichaeism, a Roman view from the 3rd century that held a belief in cosmic dualism in which the flesh and material existence are evil and the realm of the spirit is good. The early church was very clear that this view is heretical.


11 posted on 04/06/2006 7:39:38 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: freedom44

Was Judas in the will of God?


12 posted on 04/06/2006 7:42:15 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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To: freedom44
Image hosted by Photobucket.com ummm... didn't he HANG hisself or something???
13 posted on 04/06/2006 7:44:48 PM PDT by Chode (1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT. American Hedonist )
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To: freedom44

Who is of Judas?


14 posted on 04/06/2006 7:48:08 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Amos the Prophet

One of my friends in church pointed out that Judas seemed to be the most disappointed in the fact that Jesus did not establish an earthly kingdom right away. Apparently, there was a school of thought at that time which expected the descendant of Old Testament kings to kick out the Romans and other undesirables and establish a new Holy Land. Of course, Jesus repeatedly explained that was not God's plan but some people never listen...


15 posted on 04/06/2006 7:48:17 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Chode
didn't he HANG hisself or something???

Well, directly it was the Romans, but He knew that was going to be the outcome when He surrended to them. So, indirectly, Yes.

16 posted on 04/06/2006 7:50:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("If you go out there with an innocent heart, you're eaten." - David Attenborough))
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To: shield
Annointd by whom? God? And who says that is so? Men.

2 Timothy 3 16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Take note in the above quoted text, from the KJV, that scripture is with the lower case "scripture" instead of the upper case "Scripture". When in lower case, it refers literally to ALL scriptures or writings.. only when it is upper case, does it specifically mean Holy Writings. Further, if Christ HAD been referring to Holy Script, then he would not have been referring to ANY books of what are now the New Testament, nor to anything called "The Bible" since they did not exist in his lifetime.

Those books which are included in the Bible were decided by MEN. The Church itself readily explains why the book of Thomas, which being written closest to the time of Christ makes many theologians suspect it to be the most accurate Gospel, was left out. A single phrase, which quotes Christ as saying...

"Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all. I am the all; the all came forth from me, and the all attained to me. Cleave a (piece of) wood; I am there. Raise up a stone, and you will find me there." (My emphasis added)

The Church interpreted this phrase as meaning one could find Christ wherever one sought him, and that one did not need the Church to be your intermediary. They viewed this phrase as a threat to the authority of the Church, thus rejected the book. I dunno about you, but I am not putting my faith in men, especially when what they are preaching is self serving.

17 posted on 04/06/2006 8:07:06 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: shield
Oh, one further passage from Thomas which the Church interpreted to have the same meaning was..

Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

It is easy to see why the Church would view such passages as a threat to the authority of the Church.

18 posted on 04/06/2006 8:17:50 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: joesnuffy
"..."Blessed art thou Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Holy Spirit"..."

Thanks for the scripture. It is always timely to speak of the foundation of the church, the inner Revelation of Jesus Christ, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail.

Can you tell me the version, chapter and verse you quoted?

19 posted on 04/06/2006 8:38:07 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: AnnoyedOne

It's easy to see why Christians would view those passages as promoting pantheism rather than Christianity.


20 posted on 04/06/2006 8:40:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: joesnuffy
Remember .. Paul and Peter warned about others teaching " another Gospel " other than the Gospel that they were teaching.
God is the author and originator, and inspirer by the Holy Spirit to write the Bible, and the Bible we have today that has lasted through out the centuries is God's inspired word,, nothing more, nothing less.
This new Gospel is nothing but heresies.
There was even a Gospel of Thomas that was being circulated a few decades ago, it's nothing but to confuse people and doubt God's word.
It's the same trickery or lies that they were trying to pass 3 years ago of THE FACE of JESUS by taking a human skull that they " think,, maybe ,,, could be " from the 1 st century when Jesus was alive, but, they mistook one important fact ? Jesus went to the father in bodily form, how could they could have made a true accurate face of Jesus if they never had his skill ?
Also, Jesus was a Nazerite, or Nazarene, with long hair who most likely took the nazarene oath.
MHO ,, the face we see on the shroud of Turin is Jesus face, and a painter painted a painting from the shourd back in the 1930's 40s, and I believe that is the closest to what Jesus looked like.

21 posted on 04/06/2006 8:43:13 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: shield
" I'll stick with the King James of 1611 the version that has the anointing. "

Amen !
22 posted on 04/06/2006 8:44:39 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: freedom44

i doubt that NG will ever come up with a show about the prophet mohhamed's neighbor dissing him


23 posted on 04/06/2006 8:47:35 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Well, perhaps it is, if you go by Stanfords definition "Pantheism is a metaphysical and religious position. Broadly defined it is the view that (1) "God is everything and everything is God … the world is either identical with God or in some way a self-expression of his nature"

But I am unsure whether that description of God would be in contradiction to accepted gospels. In any event, the church interpreted it's meaning as saying that anywhere one sought Christ, one could find him. Doesn't the bible say something along the line of Christ being present anytime people gather in His name? I do not know of anything written which states one must have priests or the Mother Mary as our intercessor. According to Christ, you shall only come to the Father thru him, however, according to the Church, you can only come to the Father thru the Church.

24 posted on 04/06/2006 8:50:49 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne
But I am unsure whether that description of God would be in contradiction to accepted gospels.

Then you might want to make sure, rather than going off on weird tangents and conspiracy theories.

In any case, the true Gospels, not to mention the whole rest of the Bible, reveal a transcendent, personal God, who became incarnate in time.

That is, of course, a contradiction of any form of pantheism.

As for the rest, it has been the subject of numerous threads on this forum. Suffice it to say that Christ founded the Church as a visible institution. He didn't do so for no reason.

however, according to the Church, you can only come to the Father thru the Church.

I'm not sure which Church you think teaches that. It's certainly not the Catholic Church; nor any of the Orthodox Churches. The others, I'll let defend themselves.

And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.

25 posted on 04/06/2006 8:57:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
however, according to the Church, you can only come to the Father thru the Church.

I'm not sure which Church you think teaches that. It's certainly not the Catholic Church; nor any of the Orthodox Churches.

So you are telling me that the Catholic Church does not teach it's members that they must have the Church, and all of it's rituals etc, in order to go to Heaven? Since when? Just about every organized religion I ever heard of tells it's followers precisely that. "We are right, thus everyone else is wrong, and gonna burn".

26 posted on 04/06/2006 9:02:23 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: ArrogantBustard

'The Truth' - from the people who brought you the Dark Ages, the Flat Earth, the Childrens Crusade, and the Inquisitions.


27 posted on 04/06/2006 9:05:19 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: AnnoyedOne
"according to the Church, you can only come to the Father through the Church. "

I don't believe the " Church = Body of Christ " never made any claims of the such.
Yes, maybe some local, or cult churches, or unruly churches, but, as far as the church is concerned that is described in the bible never made any claims that you MUST come through the Church to come to the father.
Jesus said " I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man can come to the father , but by me " and I live by that and stick by that so NO ONE can deceive me.
28 posted on 04/06/2006 9:10:33 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: freedom44

Bump for later.


29 posted on 04/06/2006 9:32:00 PM PDT by Springman
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To: AnnoyedOne
BTW : The church today can say what ever they want, I am only commenting on what it says in the Bible about the church.
You could be right, that some churches have that attitude in that " THEY HAVE THE TRUTH . and NO ONE CAN ABTAIN IT UNLESS YOU COME HERE " yes, there are churches, and pastors like that, but, I am making my comments from what I understand what the BIBLE says, not man.
If I go to a church that has that attitude, I leave, yes, I been in churches like that, and I left.
About coming to the father without the church, priest, intercessor, is true, Jesus told the woman at the well that the time is coming that neither on this mountain or nor in Jerusalem will you have to go and worship the father.

We can come to the father and Jesus on our own, in our car, home, at work, any place we are at, but, we still need to be connected to a church, and fellowship.
The church is the family of God.
John 4
Verses 21- 26

NKJV


21. Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
23. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
25. The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” The Whitened Harvest

But, what Jesus was saying was in no way doing away with the church, but, he was talking about a ( new way to worship ) new way from what they ( Jews ) are accustomed to worship God at a " PLACE " in Jerusalem.
Jesus never made any mention that he was going to do away with the church, but on the contrary, he said to Peter " Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it "
Must people think of the church as a place to go worship, but, the Bible tells us that the " Church " is the body of Christ,. built up of many believers in Christ.
30 posted on 04/06/2006 9:32:46 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Eastbound
"..."Blessed art thou Peter for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Holy Spirit"..."

The quote comes from Matt. 16:17.

31 posted on 04/06/2006 9:38:23 PM PDT by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
We can come to the father and Jesus on our own, in our car, home, at work, any place we are at, but, we still need to be connected to a church, and fellowship. The church is the family of God.

In this we are in complete agreement. However, you will notice that I refer to the Church with a capital C, and do so when I am referring to the organizational governing body that became Church of Rome (and Greek Orthodox?). The "theological elites and hierarchy" for lack of a better description coming to mind.

32 posted on 04/06/2006 9:45:44 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: tenn2005
"Matt. 16:17."

Thanks! Which Bible version?

33 posted on 04/06/2006 9:47:49 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Ken522

By the 4th Century there were dozens of little "alternative" (and fake) "gospels" which presented no gospel (good news) at all. At this time Christianity was making impact on the Roman Empire so everyone was jumping on the band-wagon. Such different gospels (such as Jesus PLUS Judish practice was required in the new faith) were even initiated in New Testament times...and a number of the letters in the bible are targeted at battling such distortions.

This is a yawner--timed by National Geographic to correspond with the release of the (stupid and actually history-less)DaVinci Code movie.


34 posted on 04/06/2006 10:07:09 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Eastbound

It is the same in most versions. He was probably using the King James.


35 posted on 04/06/2006 10:09:21 PM PDT by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: tenn2005

Which version were you using? Thanks again.


36 posted on 04/06/2006 10:16:51 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

I use the new King James.


37 posted on 04/06/2006 10:21:37 PM PDT by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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38 posted on 04/06/2006 10:36:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tenn2005
Okay, thanks. I found the NKJ quote here.

Matt 16:17

"Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."

39 posted on 04/06/2006 10:36:59 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Judas Iscariot, vilified as Christ's betrayer, acted at Jesus' request in turning him over to the authorities who crucified him, according to a 1,700-year-old copy of the "Gospel of Judas".

This is dynamite stuff. It makes the Da Vinci Code look like child's play. Why was this suppressed all these years? Who profited?

A movie needs to be made of this . . then let the people decide.


40 posted on 04/06/2006 10:56:48 PM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: floridaobserver
I dunno that such a revelation is all that Earth shattering. Christ assuredly knew what was going to happen to him, knew who was going to do it, and did nothing to prevent it from occuring... but I doubt it was at his request. The crucifiction and resurrection WERE God's plan, weren't they?

I do not know where I stand on the issue of Judas. Even Christ DID say that it was a betrayal (the comment he made about being betrayed with a kiss).. but then, it appears to have been God's plan. A conundrum for sure. Maybe that is exactly what the point is supposed to be...that if we follow the tenets of Christ, we will not concern ourselves with the moral issue surrounding Judas, because we know that judging him is not our place.

One could drive oneself crazy trying to figure out the whole free-will vs pre-destination thing. I do tend, however, to lean heavily towards the free-will side because without it, I cannot see how a Just God could condemn us for sinful acts. And I do believe Him to be a Just God.

41 posted on 04/07/2006 12:27:53 AM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: freedom44
I've always wondered about the view of Judas as a bad man. If Jesus had to die for our sins, then the man who arranged that death should be considered a saint, not as someone who was evil.
42 posted on 04/07/2006 3:08:53 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: AnnoyedOne

Christ assuredly knew what was going to happen to him, knew who was going to do it, and did nothing to prevent it from occuring...

This is why the Gospel of Judas appears credible here. Jesus had numerous opportuntities to avoid execution, but He clearly had no interest in avoiding it. He practically welcomed it. Jesus really wanted a big show trial, with all the attendant publicity. Was Judas in on it? We will never know, but it does make a lot of sense.

Frankly the Gospel of Judas is so fantastic, it could very well be true. What would be the motivatoin 1900 years ago to make it up??


43 posted on 04/07/2006 3:59:30 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: Junior

If Jesus had to die for our sins, then the man who arranged that death should be considered a saint, not as someone who was evil.


Your logic is faulty here. If he did it on his own to betray Jesus and make some money, Judas was evil.

If he did it at Jesus' request, then he is doing what God wanted him to do. But then why did Judas hang himself later?

I can hardly wait to see the movie . . . It' on National Geographic Channel this weekend . . and is a must see. Most important documentary to come down the pike in a long time. . .


44 posted on 04/07/2006 4:06:16 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: freedom44

Two days ago, the msm was pushing the "Jesus walked on ice" story and yesterday the "Judas was really a nice guy" story. This is how the msm Jesus-haters prepare for Holy Week. The Good News is that Jesus will be back to correct all these heresies.


45 posted on 04/07/2006 4:09:57 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: floridaobserver

Judas was just following God's plan -- he was doing God's will whether he knew it or not.


46 posted on 04/07/2006 4:41:51 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior

How do you know it was God's will? Did you ask him?


47 posted on 04/07/2006 4:44:08 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: floridaobserver

Was it not supposedly prophesied? Did not God offer up His only son as a sacrifice for our sins? Then the whole thing unfolded according to God's will.


48 posted on 04/07/2006 9:09:25 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: AnnoyedOne
The Church I was talking about was the church first and for most formed by the Lord, and the church that followed by the likes of Peter, Paul, and all of the apostles, and early believers.
I guess most of us have trust issues with the image of the " Church " as of today.
Please remember, when you are fellow shipping with a fellow believer in the Lord, even at a yard cookout, that is the church.
49 posted on 04/07/2006 12:37:59 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: freedom44

This gospel doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.
It is an authentic gnostic writing - that is why it was found in the Egyptian desert.
The gnostics were a sect known to have existed during this period of time and other "gospels" (of Thomas and Mary) are attributed to them.
The early Church did not try to "hide" any of them, but neither did it recognize them as valid christian writings.
Gnosticism was considered a heresy - incompatible with christian belief concerning creation and the human/divine nature of Christ.

St. Irenaus knew about this gospel of Judas and criticized it as heresy.

But here we are again...it is time for an important christian holy day, and the MSM thinks they've found something important to undermine christian belief.

Once again, they've produced a big yawn.


50 posted on 04/07/2006 1:15:47 PM PDT by Scotswife
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