Nephilims and the Mormon Church?

http://www.nccg.org/nefilim/ch12.html ^ | 4/17/99 | Clare Gregory

[Elsie]

 I'm just saying the evidence is there that some 1st century Christians including Jesus' brother Jude believed Angels and men co-habitated.

 

 

Interesting idea, but if they had any knowledge at all of Old Testement writings...

 

NIV Matthew 22:29-30
 29.  Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
 30.  At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

 

I can only assume that there will be no sexual relations in heaven [since the Bible states that only in marriage are they permitted]  and, by inference, that ANGELS do not have sexual relations, therefore they did NOT have relations with 'mortal women'.

 

 

 

The Genesis account is here:

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NIV Genesis 1:26-27
 26.  Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
 27.  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

 

NIV Genesis 5:1-5

 1.  This is the written account of Adam's line.   When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
 2.  He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man. "
 3.  When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
 4.  After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
 5.  Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.

 

NIV Genesis 6:1-8
 1.  When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
 2.  the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
 3.  Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with  man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
 4.  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
 5.  The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
 6.  The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
 7.  So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them."
 8.  But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

 

 

This verse...

 

 Genesis 6:4.  The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

...says NOTHING about the N  being the OFFSPRING of the SoG and the DoM: they were ALREADY there!

 

 

SoG are the offspring from the early Adam/Eve lineage and the DoM are the offspring from the LATER Adam/Eve lineage, nothing more.

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NIV Numbers 13:33
  We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

 

EVERYTHING got wiped by the flood: there was NO WAY for these supposed 'angelic' offspring to have survived to THIS point in time.

 

 

 

Topics: Nephi'lim

 

Text:  Gen. 6:4; Num. 13:33, R.V.), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Gen. 6:4, "mighty men."

 

 

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NIV Jude 1:6
  And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

 

Nothing HERE about angels MATING with humans, either.

[Elsie]

CALVINASAURUS lives!

[Elsie]

Ideas/Thoughts?

Just what I found in the Book.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Nothing HERE about angels MATING with humans, either.

Oh I'm sorry. You must mistakenly believe I'm actually attempting to make a case for the existence of Nephlim (as offspring of fallen angels). Merely pointing out that in your uninspired NT writings the argument for angels boinking daughters of men is stronger than the argument for unregenerate men doing the same in this instance. Thanx for listening. Personally I believe it to be a myth myself. Not unlike most everything else in the NT.

[Elsie]

Merely pointing out that in your uninspired NT writings the argument for angels boinking daughters of men is stronger than the argument for unregenerate men doing the same in this instance.

Could you illustrate the EVIDENCE that makes this argument?

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I'm just saying the evidence is there that some 1st century Christians including Jesus' brother Jude believed Angels and men co-habitated.

[Elsie]

(It helps to actually READ the quoted article in the initial post of a thread.)

“I prayed again earnestly for an answer, but this time God led me to my Bible. “

[Elsie]

Merely pointing out that in your uninspired NT writings the argument for angels boinking daughters of men is stronger than the argument for unregenerate men doing the same in this instance. Thanx for listening. Personally I believe it to be a myth myself. Not unlike most everything else in the NT.

Interesting take on the NT.

Even Joseph Smith didn't dis it this badly.

HE merely claimed some TRANSLATION errors...

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AoF

 

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We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

 

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'm just saying the evidence is there that some 1st century Christians including Jesus' brother Jude believed Angels and men co-habitated.

Exactly. Not only did Jude quote and read from the book of "Enoch" there is ample evidence Jesus did too. The concept of the "elect" came from Enoch. "Abraham's boosom" is an idea that came from the book of Enoch. The first quarter of the book of Enoch is all about angels co-habitating with men. If there were leatherbound copies of Enoch in the first century Jesus would have been carrying it and putting many notches into it. Again, just another example that the argument of the myth is a stronger "pro" heavenly beings leaving their "first habitation" than "con".

[Invincibly Ignorant]

DISCLAIMER:

All this coming from an outside impartial observer. The Spirit didn't inspire my interpretation or position. He apparently only speaks with you since you're always right and everyone else wrong.

[Tennessee Nana]

The three are One. Father (Nature); Son (Person); Holy Spirit (Personality). God is One, as in 1 x 1 x 1 = 1, the whole of God, for besides Him, there is no other.
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Yes, the Trinity..the basics of Christianity...

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Jhn 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John.

Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe.

Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light.

Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-14

And the Word was made flesh and was named JESUS...

Jesus was there as the Word at the creation...

In the beginning, God...Genesis 1:1

Jesus is God...

And the only begotten son of God...John 3:16

And the only flesh born who had a mother who was a virgin... Isaiah 7:14

Mary never had sex with a man or a “god” in order to get pregnant with Jesus ...

Is any thing impossible with God ??? Luke 1:37

[Tennessee Nana]

I ask how you would choose to outfit the House of the Lord? What decor would be more appropriate?
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God chose to “outfit” His Holy temple and house in flesh...

Why try to improve on God’s design...

I feel the Holy Spirit right here in God’s temple, my own flesh...

What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? 1 Corinthians 6:19

[whipitgood]

The three variations of Y’all:
Y’all, a group of 2-5 people
All Y’all, a group of 5-12 people
All Y’alls, a group of over 12 people.
Definitions vary. Something I learned in Texas.
Just FYI. Enjoy!

[Tax-chick]

I’ve never heard “all y’alls” anywhere in the South. Maybe we lived too close to the city :-).

[Elsie]

He apparently only speaks with you since you're always right and everyone else wrong.

I posted scripture.

If you cannot agree on what it says, nothing I say will make much difference.

[Eastbound]

" . . . the Trinity..the basics of Christianity..."

Yes. So simple it boggles the mind.

[IreneE]

That is hysterical.

[IreneE]

Too many kooky theories about it. I wish I could figure out what it all means. ANd if the Mormons are into it it is more creepy.

[IreneE]

I'm sure someone else already told you, but there is no coincidence in the similarity between Mormons and Masons... Joseph Smith was a 32nd degree Mason.

When he was killed and in his jail cell, he was crying out for aid from his secret Mason brothers who apparently didn't show up to help.

[Rameumptom]

>As for "glitter and gold",

Better not mention the bible passages listing the weight of gold and silver in the Temple of Solomon. It's worth billions in today's dollars.

[Rameumptom]

>>"Sons of God" were men who were believers in God, and the "Daughters of men"

"Sons of God" is used in the scriptures to signify believers (and alternatively priesthood holders) "daughters of men" refers to the children of non believers. In essense the church members were marrying outside the covenant which was a no no in the OT. Which happened many other times as well (ie the samaritans are descended from Israelites and non believers, Esau married outside the covenant, Solomon's wives who turned him away)

As many as received him gave he power to become the sons of God, John 1: 12 (Rom. 8: 14) Now are we the sons of God, 1 Jn. 3: 1-2.