Posted on 04/27/2006 7:47:46 AM PDT by Hammerhead
Like THIS???
NIV Galatians 3:28-29
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
3. At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.
4. But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5. he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6. whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7. so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
16. Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument.
17. Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.
18. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.
19. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,
20. where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
I never claimed it did. Jesus Christ is the Savior for our sins. I said I agreed with Origen (and others like Eusebius and Tertullian) on the some of the smyoblic meaning atrtached to it.
I am asking you to explain what spiritual significance the undergarments have for Mormons.
If they do nothing in the actual spiritual realm to mitigate sin, which as the Bible teaches, sin is what separates us from God, then what is its purpose?
Please explain.
And remember that we enter the kingdom of heaven in childlike faith; i.e., no esoterica or secret rites or whispered elitist prayer formulas or stylized talismans get us into Heaven — so the reasons behind the enforced rule in Mormonism requiring all members wear this undergarment should be pretty down to earth, reasonable, and readily explainable to even a little child.
Thanks
The Essenes who are credited with writing the Dead Sea Scrolls also wore garments and this is written in the writings of the early Christian Fathers as well as Josephus, Jewish historian, “...as they do also to be clothed in white garments..”
Jews would also wear blue tassels on their clothing to remember their covenants. There were dyers who would specifically replicate a blue dye to create this important color that is symbolic for the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew so covenant making was part of his life.
This thread is extremely humorous as many misuse Greek and Hebrew translations to prove a preposterous theory that ex-Mormons use to exonerate their guilt. I find the idea of the Book of Mormon far more persuasive especially since the more information on pre-Nicene Church doctrine we receive tends to lend to the LDS church than it does to the perverted scriptures of King James and anything provided by the Papacy.
Concerning the NEPHILIM...Personally the early men of the earth wrote down information that is not considered historically accurate. I can name several if not hundreds of incidents in the Bible that are not historical and personally a very confusing definition of God. The writers are not writing based on fact but PERCEPTION. It's not 100% the word of God.
Nehpilim = Hebrew. Nephi = Reformed Egyptian. They are not the same language. To translate them the same way is ridiculous. Then to create an entire theory based on a fallacious argument is just a waste of time merely because the authors are too scared or lazy to actually research things in a sensible manner. I am LDS and read the theory, and it didn't shake my faith. I have no problem opening my mind and searching things out. Joseph Smith did.
El = God. Elohim = Gods. WAIT. The whole Bible now means we are POLYTHIESTIC. OHIM is plural. Perhaps some of the “Hebrew scholars” posting on this thread should consider THAT fun fact of the day!
Furthermore, I'm concerned about these people who are going into the temple who are not LDS, with a twisted sense of curiosity and no recommend. Very disrespectful.
As far as MASONRY and MORMONS are concerned (another errant topic on this thread), Joseph was a 3rd Degree Mason (not 32nd, which only exists in a few lodges), declared on sight as his Father and brother Hyrum had been in Palmyra. He was the Chaplain of the Lodge. Many of the rituals are similar as Joseph used the method as a teaching resource as they are very theatrical and visual and easy for illiterate 19th century farmers to learn God's covenants. The Masons cannot be traced back to Solomon as those rites are made clear in the OT, and the Masons have a different ritual that trace back to the Middle Ages. Joseph would have believed differently however and thought they were closer to Solomon's rites.
The Mormon's are a loving people dedicated to God, unity, and intelligence. I wish that to all who read this.
Sorry but I must correct you. It was not Nephi that came to Joseph as an angel but it was another Man from the Book of Mormon named Moroni. Supposedly Joseph was his desendant. I know this because I am RLDS restorationist. I am interested in this because I picked up on the Nephilim link to the LDS through reasearch of the Davinci Code. Hrm? Why is our governement so tighly intune with the masons? The masons were Mormon in large part. Does anyone know that Joseph Smith was murdered in 1942? The same year that he chose to take his place as governer to a higher supreme and run for president? Of course if all this is true we couldn’t let the church of the Nephilim to run our government. Or is this yet just another way to prove that the LDS church is not Godly and indeed a “Cult,” and evil? I do worship God the father of Jesus Christ. Why is it important for LDS to look evil? say Joseph Smith on sound recorder and play it backwards it comes back “Hims a witch,” no joke. Try it. But what force makes it say that? Is it the truth or trick of Satan? I am continuing to believe the same as I have always believed. But if it is that LDS are bad why are they so tied into the government that slanders their name? What are they hiding? What do they know? I think it may be possible that the davinci code is true and Joseph smith is actually a desendant of Jesus Christ? Why else would the government deal with the LDS church so deeply? Better to kill a desendant then to let the greatest secret known to man come to the forefront. And we are the evil ones...what a wonder.
Sorry, you should research it.
The LDS documentary book, The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith, provides a word-for-word account of the original 1838 account dictated by Joseph Smith and transcribed by James Mulholland.12. This publication notes how “Nephi” rather than “Moroni” was the original word written at Joseph Smith—History 1:33 in the 1838 account. This is a significant error because according to Book of Mormon history, it was Mormon’s son Moroni who finished writing the historical record of the Nephite people in the Book of Mormon and who had buried the gold plates of this record in the Hill Cumorah. Thus, one can only conclude that it would be logical that Moroni—not Nephi—would reveal to Joseph Smith the location of the gold plates of the Book of Mormon.
Not only did “Nephi” appear in the original 1838 account, but Nephi was the original name published in the 1851 edition of the Pearl of Great Price and “in the original publication of the history in the Times and Seasons at Nauvoo…and the Millennial Star”13. The documentary book, The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith notes that when LDS historian “…Brigham H. Roberts prepared the History for publication in its seven-volume format at the turn of the century, he wrote ‘Mormon’ above the name of ‘Nephi’ and keyed his insertion to the following reference at the bottom of the page: ‘Evidently a clerical error; see Book Doc & Cov., Sec 50, par 2; Sec 106, par 20; also Elders’ Journal Vol. 1, page 43. Should read Moroni.’ ” 14.
Ram is blurring over the differenced between an apostle and a priest (of the temple era). For starters - anyone with half a brain can cross check the requirement for a priest in the old testament (a member of the tribe of Levi) versus the requirement stated for the replacement of Judas (been with Jesus since the beginning).
Reality is that these 'secrets' and mysteries spoken of are not really such and builds upon the ignorance of many who have not read these writers, the context or intent of their writings. This all goes to emphasize the neo-gnosticistic aspect of some in mormonism who try to link their so-called priesthood authority to completely unrelated though like named practices in the OT.
LOL, a practice smith incorporated from existing Christianity in order to maintain the appearance of being a legitimate cult. Though this contradicts all the smith was told in his alleged 'first vision'.
Easy to blow smoke on a work of fiction. Name one feast designated by the Law of Moses that is celebrate in the bom? (crickets)
yet mormons reject the Trinity - which is taught extensively by the pre-Nicean Church fathers.
El = God. Elohim = Gods. WAIT. The whole Bible now means we are POLYTHIESTIC. OHIM is plural. Perhaps some of the “Hebrew scholars” posting on this thread should consider THAT fun fact of the day!
Mormonism is polytheistic - belief in a universe infested with a pantheon of gods and goddesses. Perhaps a little more time on your part for a little study - and no need to be a 'hebrew scholar' - at the use of El & Elohim would do your soul good. Isn't "Elohim" the name for the SINGULAR god - heavenly father - if so, you better relook the sarcastic statement of yours. Within the Christian Triniarian understanding of God the term makes perfect sense.
Furthermore, I'm concerned about these people who are going into the temple who are not LDS, with a twisted sense of curiosity and no recommend. Very disrespectful.
Then the mormons need to take down ALL the signs advertising their various temples and inviting visitors - as well as close the visitor centers - if you want to keep non-LDS away.
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