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Vatican opposes female clergy anywhere, gives reasons from Bible
Associated Press ^
| Saturday, July 8, 2006
| Richard N. Ostling
Posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:38 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: NYer
The Church is earthly? What about the scripture that says that the Kingdom of God is within you?
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posted on
07/08/2006 6:58:46 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: marajade
What am I missing?
Thoughtful prayer and meditation on God's will for you.
Prayer is speaking to the Lord.
Meditation is listening to the Lord.
And possibly fellowship in some church community.
To: NYer
263
posted on
07/08/2006 7:19:51 PM PDT
by
Jaded
(does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
To: marajade
No faith? Faith is a gift from God. Nothing in what I have posted refutes faith. If anything "faith" in God is necessary to accept His teachings.
Is the Bible the "pillar of truth" in the Christian religion? No. According to the Bible Itself, the Church is the "pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15), not the Bible. Some "Bible" Christians insist that a "pillar" (the Church) was created to "hold up" another structure (the Bible). They claim the Bible is the structure being held up according to this passage. Well, if that is the case, how did the early Church "hold up" the Bible for the first three to four hundred years when the Bible Itself didn't even exist? Also, even if the Church is only a "pillar" holding up the Bible, doesn't that mean that the Church is the interpreter of Scripture rather than the individual?
Is private interpretation of the Bible condoned in the Bible Itself? No, it is not (2 Peter 1:20). Was individual interpretation of Scripture practiced by the early Christians or the Jews? Again, No (Acts 8:29-35). The assertion that individuals can correctly interpret Scripture is false. Even the "founder" of Sola Scriptura (Martin Luther), near the end of his life, was afraid that "any milkmaid who could read" would found a new Christian denomination based on his or her "interpretation" of the Bible. Luther opened a "Pandora's Box" when he insisted that the Bible could be interpreted by individuals and that It is the sole authority of Christianity. Why do we have over 20,000 different non-Catholic Christian denominations? The reason is individuals' "different" interpretations of the Bible.
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posted on
07/08/2006 7:20:33 PM PDT
by
NYer
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To: NYer
So as a Catholic you're using an argument presented by Martin Luther to defend what you practice?
265
posted on
07/08/2006 7:29:04 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: Barnacle
266
posted on
07/08/2006 7:37:21 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: marajade; NYer
Is private interpretation of the Bible condoned in the Bible Itself? No, it is not (2 Peter 1:20). Was individual interpretation of Scripture practiced by the early Christians or the Jews? Again, No (Acts 8:29-35). Actually NYer used Scripture, but you seem to have skipped over that part.
To: NYer
Isn't there a shrine devoted to St. Charbel in one of our midwestern states (Ohio, perhaps)?
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posted on
07/08/2006 7:47:06 PM PDT
by
livius
To: NYer
Excellent post NYer. Sums it all up nicely, the whole debate. Well done.
To: nina0113
You mean the same scripture I posted earlier in the thread. So now since its Martin Luther that said it, its valid, but when I cite it, it isn't?
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posted on
07/08/2006 7:51:36 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: NYer
Excellent source. Thanks for posting a link.
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posted on
07/08/2006 7:55:01 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: marajade
No, the actual Bible verses, which I post here for you (New International Version). I made no mention of Martin Luther, only of your refusal to consider the Scripture cited. You can give up the Martin Luther strawman any time.
2nd Peter 1:20
20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.
Acts 8:29-35 (31 seems the most relevant)
29The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it."
30Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked.
31"How can I," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
32The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture:
"He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before the shearer is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
33In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
Who can speak of his descendants?
For his life was taken from the earth."[a]
34The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" 35Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
By the way, as a Bible believer (interesting that you don't tend to capitalize the word), you do of course cover your hair at church, right?
1 Corinthians 11:6
If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
To: dollars_for_dogma
The Holy Spirit--God--will not allow the Pope to mislead the faithful when teaching on issues of faith and morals,Nonsense...'If' the Pope has been filled with the Holy Spirit, he has no more of a measure of the Holy Spirit than I or other Christians have...And the Pope is no less of a sinner than many other Christians...AND if Paul had trouble with sin, you can be certain the Pope has more trouble...
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:09:28 PM PDT
by
Iscool
(President Bush loves AMNESTY...But he hates the DICTIONARY...)
To: nina0113; NYer
I was first use 2nd Peter 1:20 in the thread. Sorry to burst your bubble. Then NYer used it in some further justification with the help of Martin Luther. Hence my reply to Nyer about him in reply to me.
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:13:56 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: marajade
The Catholic Church believes its Pope has the final say in how it will teach its believers instead of just following the word of God. And who decides exactly what the "word of God" is for you?
Please don't give me that tired tripe about "the bible"... Catholics reference the bible as much as any one. (We assembled the book after all. Note that yours, if you are Protestant, is lacking 7 books.) If it was that simple, there wouldn't be 3,000 Protestant denominations who can't agree on doctrine - except to say, "Catholics are wrong".
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:39:40 PM PDT
by
Barnacle
(Happy Birthday America!)
To: Iscool
Nonsense...'If' the Pope has been filled with the Holy Spirit, he has no more of a measure of the Holy Spirit than I or other Christians have...And the Pope is no less of a sinner than many other Christians...AND if Paul had trouble with sin, you can be certain the Pope has more trouble...
From the Book of Delusions of Grandeur...
comes the "word" according to Iscool
To: Barnacle
Here we go with that labelling again. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a label.
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:44:05 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: Iscool
'If' the Pope has been filled with the Holy Spirit, he has no more of a measure of the Holy Spirit than I or other Christians have... So, you know what is in men's souls? Wow! I thought that was insight reserved only to God.
"And the Pope is no less of a sinner than many other Christians...AND if Paul had trouble with sin, you can be certain the Pope has more trouble..."
Maybe you can be certain of that. But, again you can certainly be wrong.
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:49:16 PM PDT
by
Barnacle
(Happy Birthday America!)
To: dollars_for_dogma; Iscool
Why not follow the church of Iscool. How is that any different then following the Church of the Pope?
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:49:16 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: Barnacle; Iscool
"Wow! I thought that was insight reserved only to God."
No, that's only reserved for Catholics who believe that those who aren't are going to hell.
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posted on
07/08/2006 8:50:18 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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