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Posted on 07/19/2006 10:40:38 AM PDT by Youngstown
Thank God for small favors.
If Freemasonry is not a secret society as you claim, why do Freemasons who are government officials, public corporation officers, or political figures refuse to disclose their membership?
You want to start clubbing around "accurate facts"? How about this?
Mexican Masonry - Politics and Religion
So, this Masonic website admits that Masonic presidents of Mexico maintained a "strongly anticlerical" policy. It was this policy that was responsible for the persecution of the Catholic religion in that country, and the execution of Catholic priests. I can go on....
I don't know. I can't commit to it because I don't know what the acronym means, LOL!
You got FR mail
Just a little charity. ;-)
Rather than use your side's vile tactics, I won't make up a disgusting "metaphor" ( which wshat you're claiming to be one, isn't...it's just a spurious lie and insulting ), but if I did, it would be MUCH closer to the mark.
Many Catholics have been Masons. None of them were thrown into concentration camps, beaten, tattooed, and/or gassed to death by Masons! Neither were they ever asked to foresake their religion; nor were they shunned for it.
The Masons did NOT "contribute to the destruction of the Catholic culture ( whatever THAT is supposed to mean ) and order in Europe in the 19th century." The point that you are supposedly getting at, is a pack of lies.
If what you claim is true, then there would have been no kings or queens or emperors in Catholic countries, in the 20th century. Hmmm........well, Emperor Franz Joseph was still the Emperor of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, until the end of WW I and it most assuredly was NOT a Mason, who killed his heir, Franz Ferdinand and his mechanistic wife in Sarajevo!
Just WHAT is "Catholic culture", BTW? There are Catholics in Germany and Spain, but even though Spain has sometimes had Germanic rulers, I wouldn't say that they shared the same culture. Even before the REFORMATION, when all of Christendom was Catholic, you would be hard pressed to say that all of them shared the same culture, any more than you could claim that they all shared the same language and the same food.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
As a general rule of thumb, yes. In fact, I like the Burkha/Taliban corollary to that law, but that is for a different discussion. But I think the comparison is apt.
Just WHAT is "Catholic culture", BTW? There are Catholics in Germany and Spain, but even though Spain has sometimes had Germanic rulers, I wouldn't say that they shared the same culture. Even before the REFORMATION, when all of Christendom was Catholic, you would be hard pressed to say that all of them shared the same culture, any more than you could claim that they all shared the same language and the same food.
I'm referring to the concept of Christendom.
Men who want to join Freemasonry must be of GOOD CHARATER. Part of that, is their belief in GOD. Masons don't care if the man is a Jew or a Christian, so whether he believes that Jesus is the Messiah or not, isn't the point.
The YMCA would have allowed Jack the Ripper to join....the Masons wouldn't! :-)
I heartily agree, but I wasn't the one who used the word "bigots," as was used above in #75.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
It doesn't matter whether you were provoked.
If you feel that the "real" issue" is besmirching and impugtnimng Masons, then I suggest that YOU have a very big problem and should go to confession ASAP.
I have a problem with Freemasonry, not with Masons. In fact, I pray for the conversion of the Masons. Don't presume to tell me to go to confession, because I know my need of that sacrament.
Both Houses of Congress open each session with a prayer and if I am not mistaken there ARE bibles there. Are both Houses of Congress religious bodies? Do they support a single religion? Are they a religion?
If posters continue to make it personal on this thread, it will be locked and some may have a time-out to cool off.
Can you explain to me then the pictures I posted earlier? Why the Masonic Bible? Why the Bible on their altars if they aren't a religious organization?
There has been NOTHING, but Masonbashing, by Catholics, on this thread and GOD forbid, any Mason or member of a Masonic family, dare to refute your lies, and they just get more of them. I'd say that this proves just which amongst us is the intolerant; not to mention vile and nasty.
I have stated the very genesis of the Catholic's church's anti-Masonry views. I bet none of you bothered to read a word of it.
Yes, Freemasonry DOES teach something counter to Catholic teachings...that all men are equal and that men of good character should be viewed as "brothers".
When Freemasonry was begun, until quite recently, Catholics were forbidden to go inside another religions' church or temple; even to attend a funeral or a wedding, where they were not asked to participate in any religious activities. They couldn't even go into a church hall to attend an MYF ( Methodist Youth Fellowship ) dance, where absolutely NOTHING religious was going on. This, BTW, was in 1957.
At least, in your final paragraph, you got around to talking about the article that heads this thread. And no, I see NOTHING that could even vaguely be called "Masonic symbology" in the picture.
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