Posted on 08/05/2006 2:58:47 PM PDT by NYer
Assisi, Aug. 04, 2006 (CNA) - This Sunday Catholics can obtain the Portiuncula Indulgence by visiting any Franciscan parish or chapel around the world.
In the summer of 1216 while praying in the Portiuncula chapel outside of Assisi, St. Francis was inspired to travel to Rome and ask the Pope for an unheard-of privilege: the granting of a plenary indulgence.
Pope Honorius III granted the indulgence as a sign of the greatness of God’s love for humanity. August 2nd was established as the date to receive the “Great Pardon of Assisi.” Eventually, the Church modified the conditions and said the faithful could obtain the indulgence either on August 2nd or on the following Sunday by visiting any Franciscan parish or chapel throughout the world. The conditions for gaining the indulgence include praying the Our Father and the Creed, as well as receiving the Sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist, and praying for the intentions of the Holy Father.
-A8
The only way we can really settle any disagreement is to see what the Bible tells us about each item under discussion. And when we do this, we see firsthand how many grievous errors the RCC contains as opposed to Protestant churches who know enough to kneel to none but Christ.
Keep your talisman and trinkets and scrapes of wood and soiled relics. "As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me." (Psalm 55:16).
For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
That place is beautiful.
First, that is an unsubstantiated falsehood. But it overlooks the fact that in the Catholic Church there is one recognized magisterial authority (i.e. the Pope), but in Protestantism each person is his own pope. So even though Catholics do disagree with each other on various matters, it does not change the fact that there is only one authoritative Catholic faith, the one promulgated by the Holy See, and all Catholics recognize the Pope as the head of the Catholic Church, otherwise they aren't Catholics. But there is no one Protestant faith. There are just thousands of Protestant opinions.
The only way we can really settle any disagreement is to see what the Bible tells us about each item under discussion.
By what authority do you make this claim? By what authority do you say: [This is how the disagreements must be settled.]? Tertullian shows here that your proposal has a loaded assumption built into it, namely, that there is no such thing as magisterial authority. But the Church, since the first century (read the epistles of St. Ignatius bishop of Antioch written around 107 AD, or the epistle of Clement bishop of Rome, written in the 90s) has taught and held and believed in the existence of a magisterial authority.
-A8
Your interpretation/theology has no authority, because you have no authority. Your interpretation is just your opinion.
-A8
Exactly -- ultimately, Protestantism boils down to Gnosticism, secret knowledge. And Gnosticism is not only the first heresy the Church faced, it is the root heresy of all heresies (see here).
-A8
If the church is the magisterium, how come it gets so much so wrong?
Scripture is not gnosticism.
Honorius III was not the heretic condemned by the sixth general counsel, was he? No, that was Honorius I. My bad.
The assumption behind this question is that if there is a magisterium, it must be infallible in everything it does. I'm not sure where you are getting the basis for that assumption. But the Church is protected from the possibility of error only when promulgating doctrine to be believed by all believers everywhere (i.e. from Ecumenical Councils and/or ex cathedra teachings by the successor of Peter). Peter was a sinner. Jesus rebuked him. Paul rebuked him. But, he nevertheless held the apostolic office that Jesus gave him. (You can see that it is an office, in Acts 1, when Judas's office had to be filled.) Our leaders are fallible sinners. But they are nevertheless the vessels God has chosen by which to lead His Church. The Montanists, Novatians and Donatists erred by using what they viewed as laxity/error in the Church as grounds for schism.
-A8
With respects, dear brother, please consider Matthew 7:6.
DV
I never claimed that Scripture is gnosticism. What is gnostic is claiming that there is no magisterial authority and that you simply have the correct interpretation of Scripture and knowledge of God and His will and His gospel directly from the Holy Spirit. That's essentially a denial of the incarnation. That is why Montanism was a heresy, not just a schism.
-A8
Thank you, but, I was a Protestant for 37 years, and I would rather err on the side of Matt 7:12, Luke 23:34 and Matt 18:12.
blessings to you,
-A8
As you wish. Watch that bait though. Some of it rots.
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