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Traditional Latin Mass - filmed 1941 Our Lady Sorrows Chicago, narrated by Bishop Sheen
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Posted on 08/07/2006 12:10:17 PM PDT by NYer

Naturally, the film is in black white but is an absolute treasure. Enjoy!


Our Lady of Sorrows

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TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; latin; mass; sheen; tlm; tridentine
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To: ichabod1

I don't get EWTN.


21 posted on 08/07/2006 3:43:14 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
I don't get EWTN.

Live telecasts are available online at their web site: http://www.ewtn.com

22 posted on 08/07/2006 4:19:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ichabod1
"It is a long established principle of the church, never to completely drop from her public worship, any ceremony, object, or prayer which once occupied a place in that worship."

It's too bad Fulton Sheen, among others, saw that a bunch of things that were dropped from the Latin liturgy in his own lifetime.

23 posted on 08/07/2006 4:39:07 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old. So, if I see similarities in the Tridentine Mass it must contain elements that are at least as old.

The Maronite Church also uses this Anaphora. Do you also share the majestic Anaphora of Saint James?

The Prayer of Praise and Thanksgiving in the various anaphoras usually addresses God the Father as Creator and His work of creation. It goes on to describe how creation is responding in praise. Perhaps the most beautiful description of this symphony of cosmic worship is found in the Anaphora of Saint James which declares:

. . . The heights of Heaven and all its powers exalt You:
the sun, the moon and the whole choir of stars;
the earth, the seas and all that is in them;
the Heavenly Jerusalem, the Church of the firstborn, those whose names are written in Heaven;
the angels, archangels, dominions and thrones. . . .

"Holy, Holy, Holy"

24 posted on 08/07/2006 4:39:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: ichabod1
I wonder if they still use any of the vestments. My music/worship director has talked about burying priests in them to "get rid" of them.

Time to get out the spades and begin digging. That's just terrible. I recall visiting the web site of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet. On it, they list the deceased sisters and there is one who holds notoriety for being the last nun buried in the habit of their order. No coincidence that the order has been shriveling like a dried up prune, ever since.

As for those magnificent vestments, I read somewhere that certain SSPX priests were able to salvage them from the dustbins of older churches and put them back into use. These are magnificent treasures that should be passed down from generation to generation. Rich brocades and fine silk. What a sin to bury them!

25 posted on 08/07/2006 4:51:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: kosta50; Pyro7480
Our usual liturgy (of St. John Chrysostom) is 1600 years old.

If either of you ever has the opportunity to do so, I would strongly encourage you to attend the only morning service offered at the Maronite Church on Good Friday.

The Maronite Church in its liturgy is fortunate in being the heir of at least two rich traditions, those of Edessa and Antioch. The Church of Edessa traces its origins to the preaching of the liturgical contributors including St. Ephrem and James of Saroug. The first Christian converts to the Church of Edessa included the earliest Jewish-Christians. Therefore, its liturgy is strongly influenced by the world-view of the Bible. As one of the oldest established churches, it developed its prayer forms before being influenced by Greek thought. Our Maronite liturgy today still has many hymns and prayers from St. Ephrem and James of Saroug. The Anaphora of the Apostles (also known as III Peter and by the Syriac word Sharrar), which the Maronite Church shares in common with the Church of Edessa, is the oldest Anaphora in the Catholic Church, and is still found in adapted form as the Anaphora of the Signing of the Chalice on Good Friday.

The Church of Antioch was the ancient See of Peter and developed its liturgy with influences from the Church of Jerusalem. The Maronite Anaphora of the Twelve Apostles represents the oldest tradition of the Church of Antioch. St. John Chrysostom took this Anaphora with him to Constantinople and became the basis of the Byzantine liturgy. As heir to the Patriarchate of Antioch, the Maronite Church represents the Antiochene liturgy in its fullness. Thus, the Maronite Church, in its prayer life, preserves the way of worship of the Apostles and their earliest disciples.

26 posted on 08/07/2006 5:01:47 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer; ichabod1

If they had only buried them. A priest who attended the seminary in the 70's told me that they dumped the most exquisite vestments in a dumpster (he and some other seminarians asked if they could have them and were told NO!) and then BURNED them!


27 posted on 08/07/2006 5:03:10 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer

One wonders how that beautiful altar was likely desecrated in keeping with the newchruch heresies.


28 posted on 08/07/2006 5:27:16 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: NYer; Pyro7480
If either of you ever has the opportunity to do so, I would strongly encourage you to attend the only morning service offered at the Maronite Church on Good Friday

I will keep that on my roster, NYer, thank you for the description of the Anaphoras, and for the Latin Mass link, once again. Someitme in the near future I want to see a Trad Mass in person.

29 posted on 08/07/2006 7:24:48 PM PDT by kosta50 (Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Pyro7480

Are you saying Bishop Sheen "saw that" things were dropped, or saw a bunch of things "that were" dropped? At any rate, we're getting some back.


30 posted on 08/08/2006 6:53:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: NYer

I should be clear. The chasuble in question was a gaudy pink travesty for Gaudete Sunday that the brothers at St. Thomas U. had wanted to get rid of so they pawned it off on St. Annes, which is where I go. The Worship Director wanted to ditch it, but apparently the Pastor likes to wear it on that day. Last year he made a joke from the Ambo (very inappropriate) that the St. Thomas Frs. thought it was gay but that he was confident enough in his masculinity to wear it.

I thought at the time it must have been traditional to bury priests in them. I guess I'm wrong?


31 posted on 08/08/2006 6:57:33 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: ichabod1
I thought at the time it must have been traditional to bury priests in them. I guess I'm wrong?

Gosh ... I really don't know. Some of these must have been quite elaborate and costly.

32 posted on 08/08/2006 7:06:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Miss Marple
"Suzy, I used to watch it with my folks when I was a little girl! They wern't Catholic, but it was a very popular show with a lot of Americans."

He was amazing. I heard that his show was the highest rated show on TV for years.

33 posted on 08/08/2006 7:15:42 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Robert Drobot
One wonders how that beautiful altar was likely desecrated in keeping with the newchruch heresies.

Apparently, it's been kept intact.


Historical Restoration work at Our Lady of Sorrows, Chicago

34 posted on 08/08/2006 7:31:29 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Isn't that beautiful?? For ALL non-Catholic freepers, when you see an old time Cathedral in a city, pop-in and have a look around at the BEAUTY that lies within....you won't find better at any museum.


35 posted on 08/08/2006 8:09:54 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: ichabod1
Are you saying Bishop Sheen "saw that" things were dropped, or saw a bunch of things "that were" dropped?

No, I mean he was a witness of the removal of these elements, not that he was in charge of it.

36 posted on 08/08/2006 9:17:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: NYer; Robert Drobot

Hmm, that picture doesn't show the high altar (that would be a side altar at the far left of the photo), so Robert's question is still open.


37 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:25 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Pyro7480; NYer; All
Little-by-little, however, the Traditional Latin Mass is coming back!

Here's another video of the TLM to watch from somewhere in Europe. It's 64 minutes long and the chanting is beautiful. Take a look:

Sancta Missa

38 posted on 08/08/2006 9:48:56 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina; Miss Marple; nanetteclaret; Cheverus; Suzy Quzy; technochick99; kosta50; Daffy; ...

Ping to Carolina's video link in post #38.


39 posted on 08/08/2006 9:59:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Carolina; Miss Marple; nanetteclaret; Cheverus; Suzy Quzy; technochick99; kosta50; Daffy; ...

PS - That video link is downloadable as a mp4 file. :-)


40 posted on 08/08/2006 10:00:58 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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