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Mohammed's Koran -- Jesus' New Testament

Posted on 08/20/2006 2:57:35 PM PDT by Meletus

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To: F15Eagle

All that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...


41 posted on 08/20/2006 3:45:53 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: Meletus

Yeah, different language, different time, different conditions, different idiomatic expressions. Best to leave the deconstructing to the German team unlocking what the Koran really says by reading it in its original language of Syriac-Aramaic.


43 posted on 08/20/2006 3:53:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: F15Eagle

The Seventh Imam!!!! The Twelvers are totally wrong.


45 posted on 08/20/2006 4:00:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Meletus; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
In case you may have missed this, I am reposting a link to a fascinating article written by a German professor. Like anyone who has ever struggled to understand the origin of the incomprehensible, this professor set out to study the original language of the Koran, much like serious students study the original languages of the Bible - Koine Greek, Aramaic, etc.

Do not be mislead by the title of this article!

Read it through! A German scholar of ancient languages takes a new look at the sacred book of Islam. He maintains that it was created by Syro-Aramaic speaking Christians, in order to evangelize the Arabs. And he translates it in a new way. The author of the most important book on the subject - a German professor of ancient Semitic and Arabic languages - preferred, out of prudence, to write under the pseudonym of Christoph Luxenberg. A few years ago, one of his colleagues at the University of Nablus in Palestine, Suliman Bashear, was thrown out of the window by his scandalized Muslim students. That alone should indicate that he was on the path to resolving the 'incomprehensible'. Here it is:

The Virgins and the Grapes: the Christian Origins of the Koran

47 posted on 08/20/2006 4:06:33 PM PDT by NYer
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To: F15Eagle

I think that is just a myth because of Bradleys first name... I remember reading that Bradleys family was English Christian, but I could be wrong. The point I was trying to make was the Koran was admired by Patton (or Bradley) because it is basically a book of brutal combat techniques and philosophies. "Attack the weakness" is exactly what Muslims do today, and something Patton took from the Koran.

What the civilized word has to realize is we are not dealing with a religion in the traditional sense, but with a military doctrine that uses different military techniques, philosophy and psychology quite effectively that is different from our own. They got their soldiers willing to blow themselves up on the scale that makes the Japanese Kamikazes from WW2 look like amateurs. How do we deal with that? Well in WW2 we made the Japanese Emperor human. The same has to happen here in Islam. Islam cannot exist in todays world, it is not a religion of peace, it is a fanatical military ideology that may have been usueful in the middle ages, but in todays world it is getting loads of people killed.


48 posted on 08/20/2006 4:14:51 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: stm
The Koran has one prophesy, that Mohammed will return to Mecca.

And if Mecca was destroyed and made uninhabitable due to nuclear winter?

50 posted on 08/20/2006 4:16:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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51 posted on 08/20/2006 4:20:16 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Meletus

the words muhommed (may he burn in hell forever between 2 pigs), quran, muslim and islam should NEVER be capitalized.


53 posted on 08/20/2006 4:21:36 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: wagglebee

It should also be noted that Satan often takes the form of an angel of light. The abusive behavior of Mohammad's "Angel" and his lack of knowlage to the fact that Mohammad was illiterate, and the pure nonsense of the first "sura" (verse) atributed to the birth of Islam should make any sane person question the validity of Islam. Then there's the fact muhammad thought himself as possesed by a demon, and attempted suicide.
Then his "angel" never visited him again for a couple years.
It was during this time his first wife conspired with mohammad to create the illusion that he was a prophet. However,most in his tribe knew him as the retarded kid who had fits. It's also speculated that Mohammad killed his old wife, and that is when he became the Prophet of doom.


54 posted on 08/20/2006 4:25:07 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: BW2221
"I believe the fundamentalists are the ones who are correctly interpreting it."

They are. It's our so called professional journalists, and the Media bosses that control them, that don't seem to be able to read the koran and the hadith which is needed to understand what it means, Or, they are prevented from telling the truth.

55 posted on 08/20/2006 4:30:08 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Plus there is the fact that after his "visitation" and self-declared prophet status, he murdered a fruit merchant and stole his donkey to travel on as he preached. None of the Old Testament Patriarchs and Prophets or Christian Apostles ever violated a Commandment in order to carry out their mission.


56 posted on 08/20/2006 4:31:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: F15Eagle
"but Allah has no son according to the Koran

No, but he has a couple of daughters, Al-Uzza and Al Lat.

57 posted on 08/20/2006 4:33:28 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Meletus

Ping to read later


58 posted on 08/20/2006 4:35:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: Screamname

It was Hitler that modeled his Mien Kampf and youth schools after Muhammad's Islam. He recognized the Koran/hadith as an effective war manual, and the madarassa schools as a good method of training/brainwashing future generations and the nations current youth into a united fighting force, with no division of ideals. Hitler claims in his diary that his only problem was he didn't have enought time. he would have liked to have the time to create another generation, but he had to act before that was possible, while Russia was weak.


59 posted on 08/20/2006 4:48:25 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: wagglebee

That's a good point (about the angels) I had never considered before. Thanks.


60 posted on 08/20/2006 4:54:20 PM PDT by livius
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