Posted on 09/01/2006 5:32:18 AM PDT by xzins
Quit calling seemingly every belief which you do not share a "heresy." The term - like the term "liar" - incites flame wars and discourages others from posting at all.
That does not make the politics of it wrong. But it's all politics and only politics.
To try to insert it into our theology is duplicitous and does disservice to Christ.
The very Question is Absurd. According to the Scriptures... once I have accepted Christ, I am "a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29), a Member of "the Circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "a Child and Seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), a Citizen of the "Jerusalem which is above" and one of the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29); and, in fact, "the Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16).
AMEN!
Nope.
Multiple remarriages are enough to disqualify Lindsay as a preacher. He is doubly disqualified from being any kind of preacher or Bible expert because he made false predictions in the 1970's - and will not own up to them. Guess that's what happens when you give seminary degrees to riverboat pilots (one of DTS's biggest mistakes ever).
This very thread is flamebait.
Well this is interesting. Preterists can go through a laundry list of items taken directly from Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 along with the majority of the book of Revelation and map them onto events leading up to and including AD70 (except to the satisfaction of an artificial literalist). The most significant is the absolute destruction of the temple putting to end all old covenant scarifies, as well as the vengeance" meted out against apostate Israel for "killing the prophets" and "the son of the landowner".
There is nothing in 1948 that maps directly to anything in the Bible, especially in the New Testament, the most definitive source for an understanding of the "end times".
The best futurists can do is to take some Old Testament verses out of context while ignoring others (e.g., that national repentance precedes national restoration)), apply some "semi-literal" interpretive method, close their eyes, make a wish, and see 1948.
Oh, wait, then when their "generation" does not work itself out exactly they need to revise their chronology, even after we have been repeatedly told by their "best and brightest" how we can precisely know that 40 years is a generation and, thus, figure out when the secret rapture will happen.
Did I leave anything out?
And their entire theology hinges upon an impossible to prove assumption that the Book of Revelation was written before AD70; an assumption with no basis in fact. As was shown on a prior thread, all the empirical evidence points to Revelation being penned no earlier than AD90.
This is not only erroneous, it is inflammatory. It deserves every curse in the book.
Thanks.
Sometimes facts are such welcome things.
Inconvenient for tidy little boxed biases but still . . . welcome to the wise.
Judaism has its different flavors through the years. Today is no exception.
One might mention sadduccess, pharisees, essenes, qumran community, etc., etc.
Judaism, like Christianity, is "denominational."
Potty language and references to potty language are not tolerable on the Religion Forum.
When I read the piece, I did not see him blaming replacement theology for antisemitism. What I heard him say was that the excising of any biblical role for Israel removed a theological impediment that any political or social antisemite might find blocking his ideas.
Read through this and see if this is not what was written.
It does make sense.
Spoken like a man of good sense.
Amen. Many Christians are not aware just how tumultuous the first century was, beginning with...
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake..." -- Matthew 27:50-51 "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Oh, so now we have left the realm of interpreting the Bible and move to interpreting the documents of church historians. Last time I checked there as no copyright date on the Book of Revelation, or any other book of the Bible. When they were written is matter of honest debate among scholars. You do admit that there are many competent scholars with no axe to grind who believe Revelation was written prior to AD70, don't you? Or are they all just "party hacks" in your mind?
And the last time I checked no one had placed a seal of infallibility on the writings of Irenaeus, Eusebius, Jerome, or other of the early fathers.
Theology ought to be based on Scripture alone. What our theology tells us about the world is a different issue.
Question, does not the anti-preterist rely just as much if not more on the post AD70-date as the preterist may value the pre-AD70 date? If the pre-AD70 date is true your futurist system is very much in jeopardy.
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?""But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Wow. That is a significant change on your part, TC.
You are now allowing the possible legitimacy of the post-70 AD dating of the Book of Revelation.
I'm glad to hear it because it is by far the stronger case.
That means that any inclined to be preterist must switch to some form of "historical" fulfilling of those items which preterists have already agreed are in need of fulfillment; i.e., not symbolic.
That is a remarkable concession.
Interesting perspective, but it does not answer my questions. What is the authentic, God-instituted expression of Judaism today? Or are you saying that reform Judaism is as authentic as hasidic? Do they all share the same central tenets?
Was biblical Judaism as instituted under the old covenant "denominational"?
What is the God-instituted Christianity of today?
And how many who post against him are on marriage number two or more?
You are sort of missing the point. Those who purport to teach/lead God's people are held to a higher standard, and have more to answer to God for, than those of us "in the pews." FWIW, I'm still rejoicing with "the wife of my youth" and enjoying a post-menopausal honeymoon that's leaving my head spinning. I was one of old Hal's many victims in the 1970s, and am still playing catch-up with my vocation now. Upon reflection, though, I think I am far better off for having been the victim than I would have been had I been the beguiler, seducer, and abortionist of a move of God.
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