Posted on 09/05/2006 2:24:04 PM PDT by Terriergal
IUKA, Miss. -- In April, 150 members of Iuka Baptist Church voted to kick Charles Jones off the deacons' board. The punishment followed weeks of complaints by Mr. Jones and his friends that the pastor was following the teachings of the Rev. Rick Warren, the best-selling author and church-growth guru. After the vote, about 40 other members quit the church to support Mr. Jones.
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They were probably just Christian whiners. /sarcasm
Having handicap access?
love ya bro! and you're a marine too. Still still my beating heart! ;-)
Good Biblical churches are getting harder and harder to find. I remember Bob DeWaay talking about a lady he kept in touch with for a while - she hunted around in her location in New Jersey for FIVE YEARS and finally gave up.
We have a church about 30 miles away that hasn't been too affected by the purpose driven stuff. We explained our problems to the pastor there and he understood immediately where we were coming from although he hadn't researched the problems with PDL too much. He and his wife are definitely starting to take notice of these things, and I wish we were closer so we could be more involved.
How did this pastor get chosen?
Were you a member, Terriergal, and now without a church? If so, God will lead you to a more righteous home. My family is on the same quest. We're looking into the PCA or OPC.
The doc has to answer that one
The only problem is, in many synodical and similar structures it's being pushed by the highest levels of leadership. That's why I'm under the impression that the presbytery system isn't much of a safeguard... there is no safeguard trusting in any 'system' -- sad as it is I feel like the only way is to go it alone, I've been crapped on so many times by other people in leadership.
don't worry I only FEEL that way, I won't forever 'go it alone.' I'll keep listening and looking. But I'm not going to obsess about it.
IN addition -- in denominations like the Evangelical Covenant which purports to be 'congregational' they are still pushing it from the leadership and they will use their 'synodical' or 'presbytery' power (of position) over people even though their polity is formally NOT synodical or presbyterian.
DING! DING! DING!
You get the prize for guessing the end-result of all Warren's drivel. And sadly, there's nothing "post" about it.
Attack the Trinity.
Among all the deep and profound differences Protestants and Catholics hold, we are united in a Scriptural, clear, resolute, definite, explicit declaration of the Trinity.
Already I've read voices on FR which find the doctrine of the Trinity to be "hard to understand," "unclear" and worst of all, "divisive."
Darn right it's divisive! As God wills.
The rotten fruit of an evil tree. Warren and his schemes and methods produce bad fruit. Are people really being saved as a result of his work, or are many people just showing up to play church and be entertained? I say mostly the latter.
DEAR SISTER,
PRAYERS FROM THE NORTHERN FLOCK!
GODSPEED!
Thank you. You know I think your church looks so beautiful.
Your tag is great.
LOL. Warren's going to be responsible for our family joining another church.
As God wills. 8~)
LOL!
Well, actually, that's what most of his ideas are actually about, I guess...access for the spiritually handicapped...
Sad, but true. Although at least the Presbyterian system affords the greatest number of checks and balances. But like our government which adopted the Presbyterian form, it, too, can be manipulated by the dark side.
YOU CALLED IT SISTER!
UNLIKE THE LDS,JW'S AND OTHER DECIEVING SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCHES THE TRINITY IS THE DIVIDING POINT!
The Nicene Creed is the most widely accepted and used brief statements of the Christian Faith. In liturgical churches, it is said every Sunday as part of the Liturgy. It is Common Ground to East Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Lutherans, Calvinists, and many other Christian groups. Many groups that do not have a tradition of using it in their services nevertheless are committed to the doctrines it teaches.
(Someone may ask, "What about the Apostles' Creed?" Traditionally, in the West, the Apostles' Creed is used at Baptisms, and the Nicene Creed at the Eucharist [AKA the Mass, the Liturgy, the Lord's Supper, or the Holy Communion.] The East uses only the Nicene Creed.)
I here present the Nicene Creed in two English translations, The first is the traditional one, in use with minor variations since 1549, The second is a modern version, that of The Interdenominational Committee on Liturgical Texts. Notes and comment by [James E. Kiefer] follow.
Traditional Wording
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary,
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried;
and the third day he rose again
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
and he shall come again, with glory,
to judge both the quick and the dead;
whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life,
who proceedeth from the Father [and the Son];
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshipped and glorified;
who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.
Modern Wording
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father [and the Son].
With the Father and the Son
he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.
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