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Rosh Hashanah and the Second Coming
The B'rit Chadasha Pages | 9/20/06 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 09/20/2006 10:14:32 AM PDT by Buggman

As many of you already know, we are entering into the fall High Holy Days, comprised of the Feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles. Just as the spring Feastdays celebrate the First Coming of Messiah Yeshua, and Shavuot (Pentecost) celebrates the giving of the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) to the Ekklesia in between the visitations of Yeshua, the Fall Feastdays look forward to His Second Coming—and in particular, the Feast of Trumpets looks forward to His Glorious Appearance in the clouds of heaven!

The day which this year falls on September 23 (beginning at sundown the previous night) is known by many names, but is little understood. The most commonly used today is Rosh Hashanah, the Head of the Year or New Year, and is regarded as the start of the Jewish civil calendar. (The religious calendar begins on the first of Nisan, fourteen days before Passover, in accordance with Exo. 12:2.) For this reasons, Jews will greet each other with the phrase, “L’shana tova u-metukah,” “May you have a good and sweet new year” or simply “Shanah tova,” “A good year.” In anticipation of this sweet new year, it is customary to eat a sweet fruit, like an apple or carrot dipped in honey.

The Talmud records the belief that “In the month of Tishri, the world was created” (Rosh Hashanah 10b), and its probably due to this belief that it became known as the Jewish New Year. The belief that the world was created on Rosh Hashanah came out of an anagram: The letters of the first word in the Bible, “In the beginning . . .” (B’resheit) can be rearranged to say, “1 Tishri” (Aleph b’Tishri). Perhaps because so little is directly said in Scripture about this day—unlike all of the other Feastdays, there is no historical precedent given to explain why Rosh Hashanah should be celebrated—the rabbis also speculated that Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Samuel were all born on this day.

However, that’s not it’s Biblical name, which is Yom Teruah, the Day of the [Trumpet] Blast:

And YHVH spake unto Moses, saying, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing (Heb. zikrown teruah) [of trumpets], an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto YHVH.’” (Lev. 23:23-25)

And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing (teruah) [the trumpets] unto you. (Num. 29:1)

In each of these passages, I’ve placed “trumpets” in brackets because it’s not actually in the Hebrew text; however, teruah can and usually does mean to sound the trumpet (though it can mean to shout with a voice as well) and the use of a trumpet on this day is considered so axiomatic that there is literally no debate in Jewish tradition on the matter. Specifically, the trumpet used is the shofar. The shofar is traditionally always made from the horn of a ram, in honor of the ram that God substituted for Isaac, and never from a bull’s horn, in memory of the sin of the golden calf.

The shofar first appears in Scripture as heralding the visible appearance of God coming down on Mt. Sinai to meet with His people (Ex. 19:16-19). It is also linked with His Coming in Zec. 9:14 and with Him going up (making aliyah) to Jerusalem in Psa. 47:5. Small wonder then that Yeshua said He would Come again with the sound of a trumpet, a shofar, in Mat. 24:31, which is echoed by Sha’ul (Paul) in 1 Th. 4:16 and 1 Co. 15:52. Indeed, many commentators have recognized that by “the last trump,” Sha’ul was referring to the final shofar blast, called the Tekia HaGadol, of the Feast of Trumpets.

This visitation by YHVH is closely associated with the second of this Feastdays names: Yom Zikkroun, the Day of Remembrance. This is not primarily meant to be a day when the people remember God, but when God remembers His people—not that He has forgotten them, but in which He fulfills His promises to them by Coming to them. In Isa. 27:13, it is the instrument used to call God’s people Israel back to the Land. In Psalm 27, which is traditionally read in the month leading up to Yom Teruah, we see the Psalmist looking forward to God rescuing him from his enemies:

Though an host should encamp against me,
My heart shall not fear:
Though war should rise against me,
In this will I be confident . . .

For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion:
In the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me;
He shall set me up upon a rock. . .

Among the rabbis, the shofar is often associated with the Coming of the Messiah and the Resurrection of the Dead as well. “According to the Alphabet Midrash of Rabbi Akiva, seven shofars announce successive steps of the resurrection process, with Zechariah 9:14 quoted as a proof text: ‘And Adonai the Lord will blow the shofar’” (Stern, David H., Jewish New Testament Commentary, 489f). “And it is the shofar that the Holy One, blessed be He, is destined to blow when the Son of David, our righteous one, will reveal himself, as it is said, ‘And the Lord GOD will blow the shofar’” (Tanna debe Eliyahu Zutta XXII). It’s interesting that the rabbis, without the benefit of the New Covenant writings, have come to the same conclusions as the Apostles: That YHVH would visit His people in the person of the Messiah and raise the dead on Yom Teruah (also in the Bablyonian Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 16b). On Yom Teruah, the shofar not only rouses the people from their complacency, but the very dead from their graves. (See Job 19:25-27, Isa. 26:19, and Dan. 12:2 for the Tanakh’s primary passages on the Resurrection.)

The shofar is an instrument that is very much associated with war (Jdg. 3:27, 2 Sa. 20:1, Neh. 4:18-22, Ezk. 33:3-6). It was used to destroy the walls of Jericho (Jdg. 6:20). In Joel 2:1, it sounds the start of the Day of the Lord, the time in which God will make war on His enemies: “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Day of YHVH cometh, for it is nigh at hand” (cf. v. 15). This again matches perfectly with the NT, where Sha’ul describes the Lord’s coming with a trumpet immediately preceding the Day of the Lord (1 Th. 4:16, 5:2).

This brings us to the next name for this Feastday, Yom HaDin, Judgment Day. Not only did the shofar sound the call for war, but also the coronation of kings (2 Sa. 15:10; 1 Ki. 1:34, 29; 2 Ki. 9:13, 11:12-14). Therefore, the rabbis have always associated this day with God’s sovereign Kingship over all mankind: “On Rosh Hashanah all human beings pass before Him as troops, as it is said, ‘The LORD looketh from heaven; He beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of His habitation He looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; He considereth all their works’” (Rosh Hashanah 6b, quoting Psa. 53:13-15). To remember God’s Kingship, it is traditional to eat round objects to remind us of God’s crown (oriental crowns being shaped as skullcaps instead of circlets). For example, challah is made to be round instead of braided as it normally is.

Because this day is associated with God’s judgment, it is also considered a time of repentance (t’shuva) in preparation for Yom Kippur. The Casting (Tashlikh) Ceremony, in which observant Jews gather together at the shores of oceans, lakes, and rivers and cast in stones and/or crumbs of bread to symbolize “casting off” their sins, is performed on this day to a prayer comprised of Mic. 7:18-20, Psa. 118:5-9, Psa. 33 and 130, and often finishing with Isa. 11:9.

He will turn again,
He will have compassion upon us;
He will subdue our iniquities;
And Thou wilt cast all their sins
Into the depths of the sea.
(Mic. 7:19)
The Talmud (ibid.) goes on to say that on this day, all mankind is divided into three types of people. The wholly righteous were immediately written in the Book of Life (Exo. 32:33, Psa. 69:28) for another year. The wholly wicked were blotted out of the Book of Life, condemned to die in the coming year. Those in between, if they truly repented before the end of Yom Kippur, could likewise be scribed in the Book of Life for another year. For this reason, a common greeting at this time is “L’shana tova tikatevu,” which means, “May you be inscribed [in the Book of Life] for a good new year.”

The Bible, of course, is clear that one is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (cf. Php. 4:3; Rev. 3:5, 13:8, 17:8, and 21:27) not by one’s own righteousness, but by receiving the Messiah’s righteousness by faith, trusting in Him, and that there is no in-between; one either trusts God or one doesn’t. Nevertheless, a great eschatological truth is preserved for us in this rabbinical tradition. At the time of Yeshua’s Second Coming, all mankind will be divided into three groups. Those who have already trusted in the Messiah will be Resurrected and Raptured to be with Him immediately upon His Coming on the clouds of the sky. Those who have taken the mark of the Beast and have chosen to remain with the Wicked One will be slated to die in the Day of the Lord, which for reasons that are beyond the scope of this essay to address, I believe will last for about a year.

However, there will also be a third group, who neither had believed in the Messiah until they saw Him Coming on the clouds but who also had not taken the mark of the Beast. Many of these will be Jews, who will mourn at His coming and so have a fount of forgiveness opened to them (Rev. 1:7, Zec. 12:10-13:2)—most prominently, the 144,000 of Rev. 7 and 14. Others will be Gentiles who will be shown mercy because they showed mercy to the children of God (Mat. 25:31ff). These are given the opportunity to repent during the period between the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonment, called the Days of Awe—a reference, I believe, to the Day of the Lord.

Finally, this day is known as Yom HaKeseh, the Hidden Day. It was a day that could not be calculated, only looked for. Ancient Israel kept its calendar simply by observing the phases of the moon. If a day were overcast, it might cause a delay in the observance of the beginning of the month, the new moon (Rosh Chodesh), the first tiny crescent of light. Every other Feast was at least a few days after the beginning of the month so that it could be calculated and prepared for in advance. For example, after the new moon that marked the beginning of the month of Nisan, the observant Jew knew that he had fourteen days to prepare for the Passover.

Not so Yom HaKeseh. In the absence of reliable astronomical charts and calculations (which were made only centuries after God commanded the Feasts to be observed), the Feast of Trumpets could be anticipated, estimated to be arriving soon, but until two or more witnesses reported the first breaking of the moon’s light after the darkest time of the month, no one knew “the day or hour.” Therefore, it was a tradition not to sleep on Rosh Hashanah, but to remain awake and alert, a tradition alluded to by Sha’ul: “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober” (1 Th. 5:4-6).

Because of the difficulty of alerting the Jews in the Diaspora when the Sanhedron had decreed the start of the Feast to be, it became traditional to celebrate the first and second day of Tishri together as Yoma Arikhta, “One Long Day.” Is this meant to remind us, perhaps, of when another Y’hoshua (Yeshua) won against his enemies because God cast down great hailstones (like the hailstones of Rev. 16:21) and called upon the Sun to stand still so that they would not escape (Jos. 10:10ff)?

Yom Teruah is a day which ultimately calls all of God’s people together in repentance in anticipation of the glorious Second Coming, in which He will once again visit His people in the Person of the Messiah Yeshua to Resurrect the dead, awaken the living, and judge all mankind together.

Shalom, and Maranatha!


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To: Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54; kerryusama04; DouglasKC
The universal (catholic) church has interpreted the NT accounts for 2 millennia accurately regarding the change of the weekly sabbath from the last day to the first day.

I would love to see their scriptural proof for this display of false doctrine.

461 posted on 09/30/2006 5:35:35 PM PDT by Diego1618
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The point I am making is that Apollos is in the synagogue.....worshiping [speaking with great fervor and teaching about Jesus accurately] but knowing only of the baptism of John.

How could he be speaking about Jesus accurately if Priscilla and Aquila had to take him aside privately?

Who was he worshipping of he only knew the baptism of John?

Are we reading the same texts?

The point being, of course, that what was decribed here was not Christian worship, but the worship of apostate Jews to whom folks like Paul, and Aquila and Priscilla, and Apollos reasoned with about the Christ. They didn't go into the synagogue to worship. They went in to preach Christ to the unbelieving Jews.

I realize your presuppositions are preventing you from seeing these facts in the text, but they are there.

If you wish to keep worshipping by the shadows of the older, decayed covenant, that's fine by me. The church has always had its quirky sects.

462 posted on 09/30/2006 6:30:35 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg; kerryusama04; DouglasKC
I would love to see their scriptural proof for this display of false doctrine.

So then you admit you know nothing of the historical Christian arguments from Scripture given over the last 2 millennia?

463 posted on 09/30/2006 6:50:59 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; kerryusama04; Buggman
As far as we can tell, this was not church. It was an apostate Jewish synagogue were Paul was preaching the gospel of salvation thorugh Jesus Christ, and where some gentiles came to hear his message.
Paul was preaching on the sabbath because that was the custom of the Jews. The gentiles came out to hear Paul on the sabbath because that was his customary day to preach to the apostate Jews.

Nice try. The bottom line is that there was no such thing as Christians throwing out the sabbath and worshipping/revering a different day. If so, this would have been the prime time for God to reveal it through scripture.

Here we have non-jews, gentiles, being converted by the preaching of Paul. When they ask to be preached to the next sabbath, does Paul say "Ummm...you're not Jews. Us Christians worship on the first day of the week." Nope. Paul preaches to gentiles, non-jews, on the sabbath BECAUSE that IS the commanded day of assembly by the almighty eternal God. It IS a commandment of God. It's ludicrous to think that Paul or anyone else would just toss out a commandment of God that was part of history, culture, and tradition without so much as a whimper of protest from anyone.

464 posted on 09/30/2006 6:57:35 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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You have to wonder why any Christian would not embrace the Sunday Sabbath as being illustrative of the first day of a new existence for mankind.
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." -- 2 Corinthians 5:17

I have to wonder why any Christian would deliberately disobey a commandment of the living God and instead embrace a non-biblical tradition:

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

465 posted on 09/30/2006 7:02:43 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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So then you admit you know nothing of the historical Christian arguments from Scripture given over the last 2 millennia?

No, I do not admit that. I would like to see the scriptures.....or Papal Bull that the Magisterium has used to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. The exact scripture they used must have been twisted so far out of shape to be barely recognizable. The Papal Bull.....well.....I suppose it was a Papal Bull.

The Sabbath is spoken of 126 times in the Old Testament, 62 times in the New. The first day of the week is mentioned eight times in scripture....not once in a sacred manner. The first day of the week is now the Catholic Sabbath. Go figure!

The Papacy had indeed fulfilled Daniel 7:25.

466 posted on 09/30/2006 10:01:33 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Buggman
With all respect, I think the real thing which bothers you is that you personally abandoned Yeshua for the teachings of the rabbis, and it makes you uncomfortable to see Him in the Torah and the oldest traditions of the Jewish people.

Lol. I'm sure its more settling for you to assume this. Yet if I could, as you do, see him in the Torah. (seeing him in the oldest Jewish traditions is your leap of faith) why would I have abandoned belief in his deity? Oh ya thats right if I'm not blinded and deaf there must be something sinister afloat. There's an attitude that's brand new. /sarcasm. You may parade around these thread in front of Protestants and Catholics wearing your Kepha but your attitude toward Jews is in reality not much different at all.

467 posted on 09/30/2006 10:53:06 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Seems to me our Lord and Paul is saying that our worship is our service. There is no need for tabernacles, synogues, etc. Paul apparently was teaching people to worship contrary to what the Law which tells me he was not following the Jewish traditions.

This doesn't negate believers from coming together, and while worship is a part of coming together it is not the purpose. The purpose of believers coming together is for their edification and to partake of the Lord's Supper:

I can find no scriptural reference for believers specifically coming together at a set place and time for a ceremonial worship. In fact scriptures indicate our service and dedication to be our worship. This is in line with the Old Testament:


468 posted on 10/01/2006 1:10:43 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Jesus did do away with worshipping in one set location. Nobody is arguing that. But you added "one set day".

Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Location. Location. Location. And note, "in truth". God is truth. God's commandments, including the 4th, is truth.

Seems to me our Lord and Paul is saying that our worship is our service. There is no need for tabernacles, synogues, etc. Paul apparently was teaching people to worship contrary to what the Law which tells me he was not following the Jewish traditions.
Act 18:12-13 But while Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews with one accord rose up against Paul and brought him before the judgment seat, saying, "This man persuades men to worship God contrary to the law."

Paul was ACCUSED of teaching contrary to the law...and if he did then it was the manmade laws, the non-scriptural laws and customs that evolved around judaism. But did Paul violate scripture? Let him speak in his own defense:

Act 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul believed ALL things in the law and prophets. The 4th commandment, the sabbath commandment IS written in the law and prophets. God, through the mouth of Paul, in holy scripture, is saying that he believes the sabbath of God. Why don't you?

This doesn't negate believers from coming together, and while worship is a part of coming together it is not the purpose. The purpose of believers coming together is for their edification and to partake of the Lord's Supper:

Paul said:

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

NOT forsaking assembling together. When do you suppose, in the bible, that God specifically commands that we assemble together for worship? When are we not supposed to forsake?

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

The author of Hebrews, thought to be Paul, who believes all the law and prophets,is specifically telling the followers of Jesus Christ NOT to forsake ASSEMBLING together. The only time they were ever commanded by God to assemble together was on God's holy days, including the weekly sabbath. That's what he is instructing them, and us, not to forsake.

469 posted on 10/01/2006 5:25:53 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Worshipping every day is noble and I personally think we all do this when we say our prayers and such. I heard that John Ascroft had prayer meetings before work when he as AG. We should all be so fortunate as to have a place of work so friendly to worship of God. Those of us who keep the Sabbath in accordance with the scriptures worship God as often as we can as well. However, the volumes of information provided us in the scriptures indicate that God does indeed want everyone to keep His Commandments.

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I like to save the red color for the words of Christ.

1Sa 15:22-23 Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king."

To obey what? God, men, or our own convictions?

470 posted on 10/01/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
Your "proof" amounts to nothing. The universal (catholic) church has interpreted the NT accounts for 2 millennia accurately regarding the change of the weekly sabbath from the last day to the first day. A few cults have opposed this view, but their exegetical efforts have amounted to straw.

Epistle of Barnabas, XV, 8-9

The present sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but that which I have made, in which I will give rest to all things and make the beginning of an eighth day, that is the beginning of another world. Wherefore we also celebrate with gladness the eighth day.

TC, I have posted this one to you before, yet you persist. This shows with absolute clarity that the ECF were keeping the Sabbath. It also shows, for the benefit of our Catholic friends, that at least this guy believed that he had the power to change stuff. Readers, please pay careful attention, as the author says the present Sabbaths - plura. They were keeping the holy days as well. Also pay close attention that he writes that the Sabbaths were unacceptable to him, it mentions nothing of scripture or God's will.

There is much debate as to whether this author is referencing the 8th day as being the 8th millenia after the 1000 years or if he is referencing the 8th day of the Hellenists, which as you may know, was Sunday - the venerable day of the sun, not the venerable day of the Son.

471 posted on 10/01/2006 9:17:06 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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TC, I have posted this one to you before, yet you persist. This shows with absolute clarity that the ECF were keeping the Sabbath.

You are delirious. It shows no such thing. The contrast in Barnabas is between the practices of the apostate Jews ("Your present sabbaths") and the practice of the church ("we also celebrate").

If you actually read the entire argument from Barnabas you would see this.

Further, He says to them [the Jews], “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye perceive how He speaks: Your [the Jews] present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we [the church] keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.
Barnabas was the earliest of the extra-biblical church fathers who wrote on this subject. It is clear that by his time that the church had established worship on the first day on apostolic authority, as opposed to the apostate Jews who continued to worship on the last day.
472 posted on 10/01/2006 10:11:10 AM PDT by topcat54
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What is you source for this document and did you insert the stuff in the [brackets]? At any rate, the author still confessed "not acceptable to me" and "that which I have made". It is clear that his argument is from the position of himself and NOT from the position of "Thus saith the LORD".


473 posted on 10/01/2006 10:17:16 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: topcat54
You are delirious.

Do NOT make it personal!
474 posted on 10/01/2006 10:18:30 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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Nice try.

You're still grasping , and prove again that you do not understand these passages.

Let's look at another to see the extent of your error:

And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, ... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Now the men were about twelve in all.

And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the Way before the multitude, he departed from them and withdrew the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus. And this continued for two years, so that all who dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks. (Acts 19:1,2,5-10)

Note the progression. Paul goes to Ephesus and finds some disciples (not in the synagogue). He preaches the fullness of the gospel to them and they are baptized (again, not in the synagogue). Then he enters into the synagogue to reason with the apostate Jews. After they refuse to listen to the gospel, he leaves and continues his ministry among the believing Jews and gentiles in "school of Tyrannus". The apostate Jews are left in their synagogue to continue to worship according to old covenant shadows.

Again, more proof that synagogue worship is not the worship of Paul and the other disciples.

475 posted on 10/01/2006 10:22:20 AM PDT by topcat54
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You can find it all here just as I quoted.
476 posted on 10/01/2006 10:24:16 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; Buggman
At any rate, the author still confessed "not acceptable to me" and "that which I have made". It is clear that his argument is from the position of himself and NOT from the position of "Thus saith the LORD".

If you actually read the source document, and not just some Seventh-Day Adventist pull-quote, you would have seen that the context was an exegesis of Old Testament passages indicating the supercession of the Sabbath. He explicitly was referencing Divine quotations.

Moreover concerning the Sabbath likewise it is written in the Ten Words, in which He spake to Moses face to face on Mount Sinai; And ye shall hallow the Sabbath of the Lord with pure hands and with a pure heart.
And in another place He saith; If my sons observe the Sabbath then I will bestow My mercy upon them.
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone utterly astray.
But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens.

-- Epistle of Barnabas, XV.i-xv (Lightfoot translation).

The Church very early on had all-but-ceased engaging in Sabbatarian worship. Such is the invertible conclusion of any fair-minded historian.

477 posted on 10/01/2006 10:25:26 AM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618; DouglasKC; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
Sorry to confuse. Some of the brackets are mine but are fully supported inferences based on the contextual evidence.

Read it for yourself to see if you can come to a different interpretation.

478 posted on 10/01/2006 10:26:56 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: jude24

Sunday morning AMEN, Jude.


479 posted on 10/01/2006 10:51:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
You can find it all here just as I quoted.

You inserted the stuff in the brackets.

From the link: Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.1670

This plainly says they kept both the Sabbath and their 8th day. If only they had a whole Bible like we do today...

480 posted on 10/01/2006 10:51:20 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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