Posted on 09/29/2006 8:27:34 AM PDT by Buggman
If the Bible is so clear, then why are there megabytes of ECF ramblings about 8th day theology and such? Why did it take a civil law to mandate keeping Rome's Sabbath?
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath was not Sunday. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament; absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week ... Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism." " Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual in a paper read before New York ministers' conference held Nov. 13, 1893
Really TC, this is starting to get embarrassing.
You are willing to follow the teachings of man because it is the Wide path. You reject the plain truth of the Word of G-d! You prefer 1700 ( post 325AD ) years of an other gospel.
b'shem Y'shua
Calvin would have killed Luther, too, if he got his hands on him.
I don't believe anyone has said that Acts 20:7-9 takes place on the Sabbath (seventh) day.
The last day was from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
And the first day was from sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday. Acts 20:7 is taking place on the "first of the week" right after sundown on the Sabbath! If you look at the Greek you will see that the word "DAY" has been added. It is simply the "First of the Week" and this would be just another way to say Saturday night......shortly after Sabbath services had ended.
This is a "Havdalah Meal".....an after Sabbath fellowship as we have all said.
The only thing you have done is to prove that unconverted Jews continued to worship on the last day sabbath as was their custom, and that Paul went into their assemblies to preach Christ to them.
Until you can manufacture such a verse to the contrary, I think you ought to admit the case.
I need to show no such verse to prove my case. In fact, the ABSENCE of a verse contradicting the 4th Commandment of God's Holy Law is my proof. Because Scripture teaches that anyone who contradicts scripture "has no light in them".
How about Priscilla and Aquila hearing the preaching of Apollos in the synagogue. It would seem unlikely they would be listening to a Jew speaking there on a "Sunday"!
Aquila was a baptized Jew and he and his wife appear to be celebrating the Sabbath.....in the synagogue....listening to a Jewish preacher.
I had no idea....I'm simply astounded by my naivete!
Where were the gentile believers?
We've already been over this. It was the custom ot Paul, Apollos, and other to enter into the Jewish synagogues to preach Christ to the unconverted, unbaptized Jews. The account of Acts 16 fits that description.
Yes you do, because it is yur contention, contrary to the teaching of the universal church, that Christians are to continue observing the shadows of the old covenant wrt the weekly worship. That we are to worship on the day of the Jews, in the manner of the synagogue of the Jews, not on the day of the resurrection of the Lord of the Sabbath. You need to redefine the practice of the apostles as we see them in Acts 20, where the church gathered to worship and break bread on the first day of the week.
You need to prove your point very deliberately. That you canot do, at least not to the satisfaction of most of God's people. The religion of Ellen White is not the religion of the Bible.
Act 13:44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord.
Thus says the rabbis. As I have poined out before, it does not say, they were gathered for the Jewish last day sabbath and then hung around for a Jewish fellowship meal. It says, "The came together on the first day of the week to break bread," etc. There is absolutely no mention of any last day sabbath worship in the context. All the worship happened entirely on the first day of the week.
Act 13:44 The next Sabbath the whole church assembled to hear the word of the Lord.
But it does not say that. Unless you belive that nearly the whole city is another way to denote baptized Christians.
If was a first century evangelistic crusade. If Billy Graham were a Calvinist, we would say it was a Billy Graham crusade.
It was not a church gathering per se.
But thanks for playing.
Sorry boys. It won't work.
"Ellen White, call your office. The troops need help."
No, I don't. YOU have to show us where Sunday worship is Biblical. YOU have to show the scipture that changes God's law. You have been proven wrong over and over. Buggman, Douglas, Diego, Xenia, and I have pointed it out "8 ways to Sunday". You have not provided one iota of scripture that commands one to NOT keep the Sabbath of the Lord but to keep the Sabbath of Rome. There is none. Rome's ECF's confess this as do any numer of modern day theologians.
You need to prove your point very deliberately. That you canot do, at least not to the satisfaction of most of God's people. The religion of Ellen White is not the religion of the Bible.
I am no longer in the SDA Church, but I can attest that their publicly published doctrine is infinitely more Biblical than yours. Please give a read on history, too, as people were coming to the Sabbath prior to the White's. In fact, the Michigan Churches and the Iowa Churches came up at the same time on the Sabbath unbenknownst to each other. Again, Ellen White's way of eliminating dissenters was a whole lot less bloody than your boy Cavin's.
Is that supposed to be your "proof"?
"Can't you see that's the last act of a desperate man?"
"We don't care if it's the first act of HENRY V, we're leaving!"
Here we see a simple mistake that most Catholic Sabbath Keepers make....that is believing that the day of resurrection and the Lord's Sabbath are different days. Scripture is very plain here. Our Saviour came out of that tomb late on the Sabbath.
There is no mention of worship here....only eating a meal and they came together on the FIRST of the week. It does not say first day!
Who is Ellen White?
"St. Luke seems to have made most full inquiry as to all the facts of the Resurrection, and his narrative might almost be inscribed: ‘Easter Day in Jerusalem.’[1] ... It was the first day of the week - according to Jewish reckoning the third day from His Death. (Friday, Saturday, Sunday.) The narrative leaves the impression that the Sabbath’s rest had delayed their visit to the Tomb; but it is at least a curious coincidence that the relatives and friends of the deceased were in the habit of going to the grave up to the third day (when presumably corruption was supposed to begin), so as to make sure that those laid there were really dead. ... the Rabbis insist on the importance of ‘the third day’ in various events connected with Israel, and specially speak of it in connection with the resurrection of the dead, referring in proof to Hos. vi. 2." (Alfred Edersheim)
The "first day of the week" was "the third day" since the crucifixion according to Luke account. There is not disputing that fact.
Note [1], Edersheim is not here referring to the annual festival of "Easter" as practiced by some Christians, but rather he uses the word merely to denote that original resurrection Sunday.
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