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Yom Kippur: Israel's Reconciliation
The B'rit Chadasha Pages | 9/29/06 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 09/29/2006 8:27:34 AM PDT by Buggman

In my first article on the Fall High Holy Days, we saw that the Feast of Trumpets is intimately linked by both Yeshua and Sha’ul with Yeshua’s Second Coming on the clouds of heaven, and saw that this corresponded with the expectations of the rabbis. Now we come to the second of the Fall Feastdays, and the holiest day of the Jewish—which is to say, Biblical—calendar: Yom Kippur takes place on the tenth of Tishri, nine days after Rosh Hashanah.

On that day, the high priest would put on a special coat of white linen and carry out a very unusual sacrifice.

And he shall take the two goats, and present them before YHVH at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for YHVH, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which YHVH's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before YHVH, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. . . .

And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. (Lev. 16:7-10, 20-22)

Today, the sacrifices which were the centerpiece of the Levitical ceremony cannot be held of course, but this does not make it impossible to observe the day. Like Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur is not a pilgrimage Feast: No one was required to be in Jerusalem (other than the cohenim, or priests) for its service. However, those outside of Jerusalem still bore the responsibility for not doing any work, gathering in a holy convocation (i.e., in their home synagogues), and for denying themselves (Lev. 23:27ff). Out of these three commands, modern Judaism has built its customs.

After a final, festive meal in the afternoon before Yom Kippur, Jews the world over dress in white in remembrance of the High Priest’s white linen robe that he would wear within the Holy of Holies, and at sundown go to what is known as the Kol Nidre (“All Vows”) service. The Kol Nidre is a prayer sung to a haunting cadence, which asks God to release one from any wrongful oaths taken that year. It dates to the Middle Ages, when Jews were forcibly converted to Christianity; they would ask God to release them of the vows taken at the point of a sword. Another traditional song is Avinu Malkeynu (“Our Father, Our King”), which translates as follows:

Our Father and Our King
Our Father and Our King
Our Father and King
Be merciful to us
Be merciful unto us.

For we have done no deeds
Commending us unto You
For we have no deeds commending us to You
Be merciful, save us, we pray.

Synagogue services typically run all day, with observant Jews petitioning God to forgive their sins. Fasting, denying one’s self, is mandated by Torah, and observant Jews will usually refrain from any comforts at all during the day, including bathing, wearing leather shoes, etc. It should be noted that Isa. 58 and Mat. 6:16-18 both speak against fasting to be seen and fasting in lieu of true repentance:

“Wherefore have we fasted,” say they, “and Thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge?” Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to YHVH? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? (Isa. 58:3-7)

True self-denial is not the mere restraint from food, though it may include fasting from food (Mat. 6:16-18, 1 Co. 7:5).

Yom Kippur ends with the Neilah (“The Closing of the Gates”) service and a final blast from the shofar. It is said by the rabbis that the gates of Heaven through which our prayers of repentance can rise close at this time, sealing one’s fate for the year. Of course, in the Messiah Yeshua, we may always “come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (Heb. 4:16). However, there is still an eschatological truth to the rabbinical belief, discussed in the previous article on Rosh Hashanah.

Of course, it may rightly be asked in what sense can one be atoned for on this day without blood, “for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul” (Lev. 17:11). One who believes in the Messiah Yeshua, of course, looks to Him and His perfect sacrifice for their atonement. Non-Messianic Jews follow the belief established by Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai that acts of righteousness provide atonement (Avot de Rabbi Nathan 4:18). However, even in the Jewish community, the need for blood redemption still runs deep. In the ceremony called Kaparot, practiced only in very Orthodox circles, a chicken is waived over the head three times as the man says,

“This is my substitute, my vicarious offering, my atonement. This fowl shall meet death, but I shall enjoy a long, happy life.” After reading several selections from Job and the Psalms, the person lays his hand on the head of the bird as a symbol of identification, it is killed as his substitute, and given to the poor for their final meal before the fast. (Howard and Rosenthal, The Feasts of the Lord, p. 126)
Why is a chicken used instead of a goat, for example? Because goats, bulls, oxen, rams, and lambs could only be offered for sacrifice in the Temple, so the rabbis forbade the use of any animal which might make it appear that one was continuing the sacrificial system. (Turkey or chicken is substituted for lamb for the Passover dinner in most Ashkenazi homes for the same reason.)

In Biblical times, of course, a bull and two goats were the sacrifices made. The bull was offered for the sins of the High Priest and the other priests, so that he could be purified before entering into God’s presence. The goats, one for Yhvh and one for the scapegoat would then atone for Israel. The word “scapegoat” is a translation of Azazel. Keil and Delitzsch explain the significance of the word:

Azazel, which only occurs in this chapter, signifies neither “a remote solitude,” nor any locality in the desert whatever (as Jonathan, Rashi, etc., suppose); nor the “he-goat” . . . The words, one lot for Jehovah and one for Azazel, require unconditionally that Azazel should be regarded as a personal being, in opposition to Jehovah. . . We have not to think, however, of [just] any demon whatever, who seduces men to wickedness in the form of an evil spirit, as the fallen angel Azazel is represented as doing in the Jewish writings . . . but of the devil himself, the head of the fallen angels, who was afterwards called Satan; for no subordinate evil spirit could have been placed in antithesis to Jehovah as Azazel is here, but only the ruler or head of the kingdom of demons. The desert and desolate places are mentioned elsewhere as the abode of evil spirits (Isa. 13:21 and 34:14; Mat. 12:43; Luk. 11:24; Rev. 18:2). (Keil, Johann and Franz Delitzsch, Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, [e-Sword version 7.0.0, ed. Rick Meyers, 2000-2003])
And yet, while the “scapegoat” was, in effect, given over to Azazel, to the very Enemy himself, the “two goats . . . must be altogether alike in look, size, and value; indeed, so earnestly was it sought to carry out the idea that these two formed parts of one and the same sacrifice, that it was arranged that they should, if possible, even be purchased at the same time” (Edersheim, The Temple: Its Ministry and Services, p. 248). So all speculations that the scapegoat might represent Satan or the Antichrist or some other evil entity fall short. What could these two goats signify other than the dual-natured Messiah Yeshua? He carried away all our sin, just as the scapegoat would be sent into the wilderness with the sins of Israel: “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us” (Psa. 103:12). Unlike the lambs, goats, and bulls that died on the altar, our Messiah rose again. Thus, like the two goats, He was both sacrificed and yet lives.

A red ribbon was tied in the horns of the scapegoat. When the goat was led out before the people, if God accepted the sacrifice, the ribbon would miraculously turn white as a reminder of the promise that “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isa. 1:18). It is most interesting that for the forty years between the sacrifice of Yeshua and the destruction of the Temple, the scarlet ribbon did not turn white!

Forty years before the Temple was destroyed the chosen lot was not picked with the right hand, nor did the crimson stripe turn white, nor did the westernmost light burn; and the doors of the Temple’s Holy Place swung open by themselves, until Rabbi Yochanon ben Zakkai spoke saying: “O most Holy Place, why have you become disturbed? I know full well that your destiny will be destruction, for the prophet Zechariah ben Iddo has already spoken regarding you saying: 'Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour the cedars'” (Zech. 11:1). (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 39b)
Hebrews 8 -10 explains that when Messiah completed His sacrifice on the cross, He entered the heavenly Holy of Holies, of which that of the Tabernacle and the Temple were merely copies, to complete the Yom Kippur ritual of atonement. The sacrifice was not accepted because it was being offered by the wrong High Priest:
For Messiah is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others . . . But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool. (Heb. 9:24-25, 10:12-13)
But if this is the sole and sufficient fulfillment of the feastday of Yom Kippur, then we have a problem. In every other feastday that we have seen fulfilled in history, the fulfillment took place on that day. Yeshua was offered up on Passover as the Lamb of God, thus taking away our sin just as leaven was removed from the Hebrews’ houses during the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He rose as the firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20-23) on Sfirat HaOmer or HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits. The Church was given the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) in power on Shavuot, or Pentecost, the Feast of Weeks. And we have seen that His Second Coming seems likely to occur on a Rosh Hashanah in order to fulfill that feastday. Why then would the Day of Atonement be out of sequence?

The Exodus
The Feastdays of the Torah are divided into three groups—the spring feasts, Shavuot (Pentecost), and then the fall feasts—each of which is linked to a distinct stage of the Exodus and Israel’s instruction at Sinai. In addition, there are at least three minor feasts (that is, those which were not ordained at Sinai) which are also prophetically significant. The key to understanding the Feasts’ prophetic significance is to understand their historical significance.

When YHVH reorganized Israel’s calendar by proclaiming the month of the Pesach (Passover) to be the “beginning of months” (Exo. 12:2), He was establishing that His plan of salvation begins with the Passover. However, to truly understand God’s plan, we begin our brief study not with the Passover, but with the six “silent” months which separate the Passover from the previous Sinai-ordained Feastday, Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Within this “silent period” lie two minor Feasts: Hanukkah, which celebrates the victory of Israel over the forces of Antiochus Epiphanes, and Purim, which celebrates her victory over the forces of Haman some three centuries earlier as is described in the book of Esther. Hanukkah has an eschatological significance which will be explored in another article, but for now it is enough to note the element these two feasts share in common: Both celebrate YHVH’s “hidden” protection of and provision for His people. Though He did not act with any obvious miracles like fire from the sky or supernatural plagues, nevertheless He brought His people to victory against overwhelming odds: In Purim by the placement of a Jewish queen, and in Hanukkah by giving the Jews might in battle.

These “silent” months between Sukkot and Pesach correspond to the 430 “silent years” which lead up both to the Passover of the Exodus (Gal. 3:17) and the Passover of the Messiah. Both periods were characterized by the lack of a true prophet to lead the people, “a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of YHVH" (Amos 8:11). God had not forgotten His people, but it probably felt to them like He had.

When the Lord fulfilled His promise to redeem His people from bondage, it was through the Passover and the death of a Lamb. God’s people were set free from Egypt via the blood of the lamb painted on their doorposts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. Likewise, God’s people were set free from sin by the blood of the Lamb painted on their hearts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. The seven days of the Feast of Matzah, in which all the leaven had to be removed from Israel’s houses and no leaven could be eaten, represents the quick removal of Israel from Egypt (in which there was no time to make leavened bread) and the complete removal of all sin in our lives by the sacrifice of Yeshua as we flee the ways of the world.

In the third month after Israel’s departure from Egypt, they arrived at Mt. Sinai (Ex. 19:1). There God descended on the mountain in fire, with the sound of a shofar (vv. 16ff), and called Moses up the mountain to begin giving him the Torah. According to Jewish tradition, the day that this happened was the day of Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks, a date consistent with the Biblical record. Like HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits for the barley harvest, on which Messiah was raised as the Firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20), Shavuot is a firstfruits festival for the wheat harvest. On the first Shavuot, the firstfruits of the nation of Israel began receiving the Torah. On Shavuot after the death and resurrection of the Messiah, the firstfruits of the Church began receiving the Torah written on their hearts by the giving of the Spirit of God in the form of fire and with a great sound (Jer. 31:33, Ezk. 36:26-27, Acts 2:3ff).

After giving Moses the first commandments, the Lord called him back up the mountain to receive further instruction, and Moses remained with Him for forty days (Exo. 24:18). It was during this period that Aaron led the people in the sin of making and worshiping the golden calf. When Moses descended again from the mountain and saw this, he smashed the stone tablets on which God had written His commandments, signifying that Israel had broken the covenant they had made to follow all of God’s commands, and many in Israel died, both at the hands of the Levites whom Moses commanded to take arms against their kinsmen, and by a plague sent by God. Moreover, Moses removed the Tent of Meeting (not the Tabernacle, which had not yet been built, but a different tent in which Moses lived and met with YHVH; Exo. 33:7ff) to outside the camp, signifying that the people’s sin was great enough that God had removed the visible place which was the focal point of Israel’s worship and His Presence.

The parallel is not difficult to understand: Forty years after Yeshua ascended into Heaven, Israel still had not repented as a body from her “golden calf.” Just as Israel in the Exodus fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their tradition (in this case, image-based worship), which they learned while in Egypt, instead of worshipping God in the manner in which He had commanded them, Israel in the first century fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their traditions rather than doing so through the Messiah as He had commanded them. While the details differed, the essential core of the sin was the same.

So was the punishment. As Israel in the Exodus was punished by the sword and plague, so Israel in 70 AD was punished by the sword and plague. And as Israel in the Exodus had the Tent of Meeting removed by their prophet, Moses, so Israel in the first century had the Temple removed by the prophet after Moses, Yeshua HaMashiach. The destruction of both Temples took place on Tishbi b’Av, or the 9th of the month of Av. While it cannot be proven, the timing of the Golden Calf incident makes it quite possible that Tishbi b’Av is the day on which Moses removed the Tent of Meeting as well.

In the Exodus sin, God’s fury was so great that He said to Moses, “Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation” (Exo. 32:10). YHVH-Tzva’ot, the Lord of Hosts, was actually planning to destroy the whole nation and start over with Moses and his children! This is, in fact, what Replacement Theology claims that God did to Israel in the first century: destroyed them, and replaced them with the Messiah’s “children,” the Church.

Those who believe that God has cast away His chosen nation need to take another look at Exodus. Moses, who had not joined in the sin of the people, interceded for Israel so that God would not utterly destroy them, though He did punish them, even (temporarily) taking away their place of worship. Are we to think that Yeshua did any less, or that His intercession for Israel would be any less heard? And notice the basis on which Moses interceded for Israel: Not on the basis of their obedience or repentance, but on the basis of YHVH’s Name—that is, His reputation—and His promises (ibid., vv. 12-13). It is on this same basis that the Lord has already begun returning Israel to her land: “Thus saith the Lord YHVH; ‘I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine holy Name's sake . . .’” (Ezk. 36:22).

The Future Fulfillment
“Okay,” the amillennialist answers, “clearly not all of the Jews were destroyed, but the Temple was, and since we are now the Temple of God, there will be no other.” Again, keep reading. After seeing to the punishment of Israel and removing the Tent of Meeting, Moses was told by God, “And I will send an angel before thee . . . for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way” (Exo. 33:2, 3). But Moses, not content that a lesser angel go with Israel, returned up the mountain, and interceded with God for another forty days, going without food or water, until YHVH relented and agreed to send His Presence with Israel. The form in which His Presence went with Israel was in the pillar of fire and cloud which was intimately connected with the Tabernacle:

The Tabernacle of Israel was known by several names. . . The name dwelling from Heb. mishkan, from shakan, to “lie down,” a “dwelling,” connected itself with the Jewish, though not scriptural, word Shekinah, as describing the dwelling place of the divine glory. (Unger, F., The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, R.K. Harrison, ed. [Moody, 1988] “Tabernacle of Israel,” p. 1238)
According to the Talmud, the day on which Moses returned with the second set of stone tablets, showing that YHVH had forgiven Israel and restored fellowship with them, was the day of Yom Kippur (Tractate Taanit 30b), and the forty days that he fasted before God correspond with the forty days of T’shuva (Repentence) that are traditionally observed leading up to the Day of Atonement. (This forty-day period of fasting may be the same forty-day period that Yeshua spent fasting and being tested in the wilderness after His baptism.)

Likewise, the day on which Yeshua will return to restore His fellowship with Israel, and direct them in building a Temple greater than that which they built on their own, just as Moses directed Israel in building a Tabernacle greater than the former Tent of Meeting which was taken away from the camp, will be on Yom Kippur. Like the Levitial High Priest emerging from the Holy of Holies to show that God had accepted the sacrifice of the goat on the people’s behalf, Yeshua will emerge from the Holy of Holies in Heaven to show Israel that God has accepted His sacrifice on their behalf.

Yom Kippur is not yet complete. Our High Priest is hidden from our eyes, beyond the veil, making intercession for us day and night, but He has not yet emerged to show all Israel that His blood-stained garments have been turned as white as snow, proving that the Father has accepted the High Priest’s sacrifice on behalf of all Israel, not just the remnant that now believe. When He does, carrying the sign of a covenant restored before Israel even as Moses did, then the Temple promised by Ezekiel will be built, just as the Tabernacle was.

When will the High Priest come forth? On the last day of Daniel’s Seventieth Week when Israel and Jerusalem will “make reconciliation for iniquity” (Dan. 9:24). The word for reconciliation, kaphar, is most often translated “atonement.”

With Israel’s sins atoned for, the way will be made for the final stage of the Messiah’s reconciliation of all things to Himself. Next we will study Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, when Yeshua will be officially crowned King over all the nations . . . on His birthday.

Shalom, and God bless.


TOPICS: Judaism; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: atonement; christ; christianity; day; eschatology; feastdays; feasts; jesus; judaism; kippur; messiah; messianic; prophecy; sacrificd; secondcoming; temple; yeshua; yom; yomkippur
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC
Yep, we have. Your arguments are no better now than they were before, and these same arguments have been rejected by the church for 2000 years simply for this reason: they do not fit will all that the Bible teaches on the subject.

If the Bible is so clear, then why are there megabytes of ECF ramblings about 8th day theology and such? Why did it take a civil law to mandate keeping Rome's Sabbath?

"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath was not Sunday. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament; absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week ... Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism." " Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual in a paper read before New York ministers' conference held Nov. 13, 1893

Really TC, this is starting to get embarrassing.

201 posted on 10/15/2006 11:29:25 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: topcat54; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
Yep, we have. Your arguments are no better now than they were before, and these same arguments have been rejected by the church for 2000 years simply for this reason: they do not fit will all that the Bible teaches on the subject. 197 posted on 10/15/2006 12:05:52 PM MDT by topcat54

You prefer 1700 ( post 325AD ) years of an other gospel.

You are willing to follow the teachings of man because it is the Wide path.

You reject the plain truth of the Word of G-d!

b'shem Y'shua
202 posted on 10/15/2006 11:32:46 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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To: topcat54
Since Calvin never murdered anyone (according to the historians) I have no clue what you are talking about. And I'm sure neither do you.

Read it and weep.

Calvin would have killed Luther, too, if he got his hands on him.

203 posted on 10/15/2006 11:37:39 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: topcat54; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; Buggman
But it was still the "first day of the week", not the last, according to Jewish reckoning.

I don't believe anyone has said that Acts 20:7-9 takes place on the Sabbath (seventh) day.

The last day was from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

And the first day was from sundown Saturday to sundown Sunday. Acts 20:7 is taking place on the "first of the week" right after sundown on the Sabbath! If you look at the Greek you will see that the word "DAY" has been added. It is simply the "First of the Week" and this would be just another way to say Saturday night......shortly after Sabbath services had ended.

This is a "Havdalah Meal".....an after Sabbath fellowship as we have all said.

204 posted on 10/15/2006 11:37:56 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: topcat54
My friend, I'm sorry you cannot see this, but you have not posted one single verse that teaches the church -- baptized Jews and gentiles -- ever came together to worship on the Jewish last day sabbath. Not one!

The only thing you have done is to prove that unconverted Jews continued to worship on the last day sabbath as was their custom, and that Paul went into their assemblies to preach Christ to them.

Until you can manufacture such a verse to the contrary, I think you ought to admit the case.

I need to show no such verse to prove my case. In fact, the ABSENCE of a verse contradicting the 4th Commandment of God's Holy Law is my proof. Because Scripture teaches that anyone who contradicts scripture "has no light in them".

205 posted on 10/15/2006 11:50:32 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04; topcat54; DouglasKC; Buggman; XeniaSt
Until you can manufacture such a verse to the contrary, I think you ought to admit the case.(TC) I need to show no such verse to prove my case. (KUSAMA)

How about Priscilla and Aquila hearing the preaching of Apollos in the synagogue. It would seem unlikely they would be listening to a Jew speaking there on a "Sunday"!

Aquila was a baptized Jew and he and his wife appear to be celebrating the Sabbath.....in the synagogue....listening to a Jewish preacher.

206 posted on 10/15/2006 12:14:50 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
No, no, no Diego. Priscilla and company don't fit the bill. You see, they have to be keeping the Sabbath, in a synagogue, when the moon is in the Aries quadrant, in a year when a Republican is President, there are at least 2 named hurricanes to make landfall in the Northeast, a drought in the Northwest, gasoline under $40/barrell, DOW at 15K, and the Yankees don't make the playoffs. Gosh, get it straight already.
207 posted on 10/15/2006 1:21:56 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04

I had no idea....I'm simply astounded by my naivete!


208 posted on 10/15/2006 1:37:19 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
Aquila was a baptized Jew and he and his wife appear to be celebrating the Sabbath.....in the synagogue....listening to a Jewish preacher.

Where were the gentile believers?

We've already been over this. It was the custom ot Paul, Apollos, and other to enter into the Jewish synagogues to preach Christ to the unconverted, unbaptized Jews. The account of Acts 16 fits that description.

209 posted on 10/15/2006 1:47:53 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618; DouglasKC; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
I need to show no such verse to prove my case.

Yes you do, because it is yur contention, contrary to the teaching of the universal church, that Christians are to continue observing the shadows of the old covenant wrt the weekly worship. That we are to worship on the day of the Jews, in the manner of the synagogue of the Jews, not on the day of the resurrection of the Lord of the Sabbath. You need to redefine the practice of the apostles as we see them in Acts 20, where the church gathered to worship and break bread on the first day of the week.

You need to prove your point very deliberately. That you canot do, at least not to the satisfaction of most of God's people. The religion of Ellen White is not the religion of the Bible.

210 posted on 10/15/2006 1:53:17 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
This verse satisfies your unnecessary requirements:

Act 13:44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord.

211 posted on 10/15/2006 1:56:49 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Diego1618; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
This is a "Havdalah Meal".....an after Sabbath fellowship as we have all said.

Thus says the rabbis. As I have poined out before, it does not say, they were gathered for the Jewish last day sabbath and then hung around for a Jewish fellowship meal. It says, "The came together on the first day of the week to break bread," etc. There is absolutely no mention of any last day sabbath worship in the context. All the worship happened entirely on the first day of the week.

212 posted on 10/15/2006 1:57:17 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618; DouglasKC; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
I'm afraid that dog won't hunt. Apparently what you think it say is this :

Act 13:44 The next Sabbath the whole church assembled to hear the word of the Lord.

But it does not say that. Unless you belive that nearly the whole city is another way to denote baptized Christians.

If was a first century evangelistic crusade. If Billy Graham were a Calvinist, we would say it was a Billy Graham crusade.

It was not a church gathering per se.

But thanks for playing.

213 posted on 10/15/2006 2:03:56 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618
they have to be keeping the Sabbath, in a synagogue, when the moon is in the Aries quadrant, in a year when a Republican is President,

Sorry boys. It won't work.

"Ellen White, call your office. The troops need help."

214 posted on 10/15/2006 2:06:45 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
Yes you do, because it is yur contention, contrary to the teaching of the universal church, that Christians are to continue observing the shadows of the old covenant wrt the weekly worship. That we are to worship on the day of the Jews, in the manner of the synagogue of the Jews, not on the day of the resurrection of the Lord of the Sabbath. You need to redefine the practice of the apostles as we see them in Acts 20, where the church gathered to worship and break bread on the first day of the week.

No, I don't. YOU have to show us where Sunday worship is Biblical. YOU have to show the scipture that changes God's law. You have been proven wrong over and over. Buggman, Douglas, Diego, Xenia, and I have pointed it out "8 ways to Sunday". You have not provided one iota of scripture that commands one to NOT keep the Sabbath of the Lord but to keep the Sabbath of Rome. There is none. Rome's ECF's confess this as do any numer of modern day theologians.

You need to prove your point very deliberately. That you canot do, at least not to the satisfaction of most of God's people. The religion of Ellen White is not the religion of the Bible.

I am no longer in the SDA Church, but I can attest that their publicly published doctrine is infinitely more Biblical than yours. Please give a read on history, too, as people were coming to the Sabbath prior to the White's. In fact, the Michigan Churches and the Iowa Churches came up at the same time on the Sabbath unbenknownst to each other. Again, Ellen White's way of eliminating dissenters was a whole lot less bloody than your boy Cavin's.

215 posted on 10/15/2006 2:07:00 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
Calvin would have killed Luther, too, if he got his hands on him.

Is that supposed to be your "proof"?

"Can't you see that's the last act of a desperate man?"

"We don't care if it's the first act of HENRY V, we're leaving!"

216 posted on 10/15/2006 2:09:11 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; kerryusama04; DouglasKC; Buggman; XeniaSt
That we are to worship on the day of the Jews, in the manner of the synagogue of the Jews, not on the day of the resurrection of the Lord of the Sabbath.

Here we see a simple mistake that most Catholic Sabbath Keepers make....that is believing that the day of resurrection and the Lord's Sabbath are different days. Scripture is very plain here. Our Saviour came out of that tomb late on the Sabbath.

217 posted on 10/15/2006 2:17:21 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: topcat54
They came together on the first day of the week to break bread," etc. There is absolutely no mention of any last day sabbath worship in the context. All the worship happened entirely on the first day of the week.

There is no mention of worship here....only eating a meal and they came together on the FIRST of the week. It does not say first day!

218 posted on 10/15/2006 2:25:50 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: kerryusama04
I saw this somewhere....."Ellen White, call your office. The troops need help."

Who is Ellen White?

219 posted on 10/15/2006 2:27:59 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; kerryusama04; DouglasKC; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; jude24
"Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. ... 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. ... But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened." (Luke 24:1,7,21)

"St. Luke seems to have made most full inquiry as to all the facts of the Resurrection, and his narrative might almost be inscribed: ‘Easter Day in Jerusalem.’[1] ... It was the first day of the week - according to Jewish reckoning the third day from His Death. (Friday, Saturday, Sunday.) The narrative leaves the impression that the Sabbath’s rest had delayed their visit to the Tomb; but it is at least a curious coincidence that the relatives and friends of the deceased were in the habit of going to the grave up to the third day (when presumably corruption was supposed to begin), so as to make sure that those laid there were really dead. ... the Rabbis insist on the importance of ‘the third day’ in various events connected with Israel, and specially speak of it in connection with the resurrection of the dead, referring in proof to Hos. vi. 2." (Alfred Edersheim)

The "first day of the week" was "the third day" since the crucifixion according to Luke account. There is not disputing that fact.

Note [1], Edersheim is not here referring to the annual festival of "Easter" as practiced by some Christians, but rather he uses the word merely to denote that original resurrection Sunday.

220 posted on 10/15/2006 2:34:51 PM PDT by topcat54
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