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ANCIENT NECROPOLIS FOUND BENEATH VATICAN
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| October 9, 2006
Posted on 10/09/2006 9:03:15 AM PDT by NYer
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:03:16 AM PDT
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NYer
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:05:13 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:06:03 AM PDT
by
CholeraJoe
(USAF Air Rescue "That others may live.")
To: NYer
Wow, this is cool. That baby's head is haunting (no pun intended), all those centuries lying covered underground.
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:07:11 AM PDT
by
starbase
(Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
In this undated photo provided Monday, Oct. 9, 2006 by the Vatican Museums, terracotta vases are seen in an ancient necropolis unearthed at the Vatican.
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:07:26 AM PDT
by
NYer
("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
To: NYer
I think the title should be more aptly "necropolis unveiled"..the fact that there was a necropolis was found during the Pius XII digs, no?
This is where the ostensible bones of St. Peter were found and the candidate for the "troparion" or trophy of Gaius. Constantine had gone through a massive amount of effort to put the basilica on top of the Vatican hill, and to align its main altar directly over a grave in the Roman necropolis.
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:17:07 AM PDT
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Claud
To: NYer
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:20:55 AM PDT
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AliVeritas
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10/09/2006 9:21:10 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: NYer; SunkenCiv
A couple of other articles, no photos:
Does anyone know where this necropolis is on this map of Vatican City?
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1 Bronze Doors 2 Arch of the Bells 3 St Peter's Door 4 Tower of Nicolas V 5 Palace of Sixtus V 6 Palace of Gregory V 7 Medieval Palace 8 Borgia Tower 9 Sistine Chapel 10 Hall of Ligorio 11 Vatican Apostolic Library (Bldg. of Sixtus V) 12 Courtyard of the Library 13 Braccio Nuove 14 Tower of the Winds 15 Corridor of Bramante 16 Niche of the Pinecone 17 Fountain of the Sailing Ship 18 Stairway of Bramante 19 The Belvedere 20 Pio-Clementino Museum 21 The Four Gates 22 Entrance to the Vatican Museums 23 Painting Gallery 24 Gregorian Profane Museum, Pius Christian Museum and Ethnological Museum 25 Carriage Museum 26 The Passetto 27 Gate of Sant' Anna 28 Church of Sant' Anna dei Palafrenieri 29 Courtyard of the Swiss Guards 30 Vatican Printing Press 31 Restoration Lab of Tapestries 32 Church of San Pellegrino 33 L'Osservatore Romano 34 Central Post Office 35 Palace of the Belvedere 36 Piazza del Forno 37 Fountain of the Sacrament 38 Casino Pio of Pius IV |
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39 Pontifical Academy of Sciences 40 House of the Gardener 41 Fountain of the Eagle 42 Tower of Gallinaro 43 Vatican Radio 44 Border of the Leonine City 45 Grotto of Lourdes 46 Tower of St John 47 Marconi Transmitting Station |
48 Ethiopian College 49 Governatorato Building 50 Railway Station 51 Mosaic Studio 52 Church of Santo Stefano degli Abissini 53 Tribunal Palace 54 Palace of the Archpriest 55 Palace of San Carlo |
56 Piazza Santa Marta 57 Hospice of Santa Marta 58 Palace of the Rectory and Sacristy 59 Plaza of the Roman Protomartyrs 60 Teutonic College and Cemetery 61 Papal Audience Hall 62 Palace of the Sant' Uffizio 63 Church of San Salvatore in Terrione |
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To: NYer
I thought everyone knew the Vatican was built over an ancient Roman Cemetery, where Peter was buried after he was crucified head down.
Great post and photos!
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posted on
10/09/2006 9:50:58 AM PDT
by
Ruy Dias de Bivar
((Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter))
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I thought everyone knew the Vatican was built over an ancient Roman Cemetery, where Peter was buried after he was crucified head down.
This necropolis is a different one than the one with St Peter. St Peter's is below the basilica's foundations, this one outside the basilica.
current St Peter's Basilica, showing necropolis (brown).
To: Claud; SunkenCiv; All
I think the title should be more aptly "necropolis unveiled". You're right. This is not the best title. The original news story (linked above) is to Bloomberg which is a blocked source. They entitled their news story: Vatican Necropolis Gives Up Secrets After Escaping Construction
I searched other news sources but the best I could find were the photographs released by the Vatican which are posted above. CNN and USA Today are now catching up. BTW - those terracotta pipes projecting from the ground, are funnels where visitors would pour honey and other foods down to the deceased.
Here's one more photo.
In this undated photo provided Monday, Oct. 9, 2006 by the Vatican Museums, a mosaic floor is seen in an ancient necropolis unearthed at the Vatican.
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posted on
10/09/2006 10:19:26 AM PDT
by
NYer
("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
To: NYer
To: NYer
The bloomberg headline reads like a bad babblefish translation of pravda.
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posted on
10/09/2006 10:42:45 AM PDT
by
Jaded
("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I rather think that Peter was a myth.
Romans died long before the Xians came. They took many of their burial practices from the Etruscans, who had very elaborate burial chambers that can still be viewed today.
The Romans also took from the Etruscans their eating practices (lying down on couches). I always thought of the last supper as the disciples lying 4 and 5 to a couch (crowded: 3 to a couch was optimum). Gives an insight to John lying in Jesus bosom....
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:15:22 AM PDT
by
donmeaker
(If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
To: donmeaker
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/peterpope.html
The myth of Peter as head of the church was not promugated until the 4th century, and was never accepted by the Orthodox. Many of the supports of that myth are either ridiculous, or fraud.
Constantinius had reasons for moving his capital away from Rome, the Romans being part of that.
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:29:40 AM PDT
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donmeaker
(If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
To: Mike Fieschko
From the photo in post #1, my guess is that the dig is at site # 65.
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:33:22 AM PDT
by
Remole
To: donmeaker
Why do you think that? There's more independent evidence (not to mention a contemporaneous epitaph on the site of his former burial place) for the existence of St. Peter than most of the Romans of the time.
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:42:44 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
To: donmeaker
I rather think that Peter was a myth. I rather wonder why you think so, except some vague assumption that it couldn't *possibly* be true simply because it is has been maintained for 2000 years straight.
There is of course, no question that the Romans and the Etruscans borrowed many practices. Or that Romans buried their dead in necropoli (I have, in fact, been to the most famous Etruscan one at Cerveteri).
But what that has to do with St. Peter being a myth, I have no idea. To say nothing of the NT, the historical sources--*from the 2nd century* are unanimous in putting Peter in Rome. We have found his name scratched on graffiti in that necropolis below the cathedral.
Do you expect us to believe that an entirely different person of an entirely different name--both lost to history--headed the Christian community in Rome? A person apparently totally forgotten by everyone? And instead the Christian writers of the 1st and second century, who could name the succession from Peter to Linus to Clement and on, (oops!) just accidentally ascribed the founding to a made-up Galilean fisherman?
*Sigh*...how I tire of this modern fetish of "debunking".
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:46:57 AM PDT
by
Claud
To: Claud
It is easy to refute this person He writes on the website:
It's setting is post-resurrection, and the resurrection, as we have shown, is not historical.
He states that the resurrection is not historical! I am going to take theological advice from this person and his fine geocities publication? It would be like using the "Dixie Chicks" myspace voter guide.
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posted on
10/09/2006 11:55:47 AM PDT
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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