CHRISTIANITY AND ANTI-SEMITISM

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CHRISTIANITY AND ANTI-SEMITISM

By: William A. Kornblum

2/23/06

1. Public Attitudes Toward Jews And Anti-Semitism
2. Early Origins
3. Religious Anti-Semitism
4. Anti-Semitism In The New Testament
5. Anti-Semitic Church Fathers
6. Anti-Semitic Catholic Saints
7. Anti-Semitic Christian Writers
8. Opposition Began During The Holocaust
9. Reasons Why Anti-Semitism Continued
10. Anti-Semitism In Modern-Day Nations
11. The “White Power” Movement
12. Current Attempts To Complete Jews To Christianity
13. Christian Responsibility Towards Jewish People & Israel

 

1. Public Attitudes Toward Jews and Anti-Semitism

Do you think that anti-Semitism, or prejudice against Jewish people, is currently a – very serious problem, somewhat of a problem, not much of a problem, or not a problem at all – in the United States? (CNN/USA Today/Gallup, May 30-June 1, 2003)

Very serious problem	9%
Somewhat of a problem	48%
Not much of a problem	30%
Not a problem at all	9%
No opinion	4%

2. Early Origins

Christians began to show philosophical differences with Judaism at the early outset of Christianity. Debates between Paul, other Jewish Christians (e.g.  Nazarenes and Ebionites  

2Pe 2:1 – “But there were false prophets - There were not only holy men of God among the Jews, who prophesied by Divine inspiration, but there were also false prophets, whose prophecies were from their own imagination, and perverted many”.

and other Jews revolved around a unique feature of Judaism: it claimed to worship a universal God through a particular religion. In other words, Judaism claims that its God is the God of all, but does not require non-Jews to follow Jewish law in order to worship that God. Since Jesus was Jewish, the question facing early Christians was whether gentiles had to follow Jewish law in order to follow Jesus. Paul argued not only that gentiles did not have to follow Jewish law; he argued that Jews ought no longer to follow Jewish law. The establishment of Paul’s views led to a break between Christianity and Judaism. The Apostle Paul was firm against the Jews who hated Jesus and Christians. He held the doctrine of Jesus doctrinally militant unequaled by any other Apostle. Perhaps because being a former Pharisee, he knew the tricks and methodology they would use to try and destroy the Faith of Jesus Messiah. So he put the Faith into written form like the Pharisees had done with the Babylonian Traditions of the Elders, and with apostolic sanction spread these Sacred Truths into the world becoming a part of our Sacred and Holy Bible. Because the Apostle Paul was not a softie on issues of the New Covenant that was prophesied by Jeremiah and which Jesus said he instituted with his Passover Cup, the intense hatred against him has not subsided to this very day.

3. Religious Anti-Semitism

Anti-Judaism is a manifestation of a religious hostility toward Jews, that claims to base itself in Christian religious doctrine. Although Christians should consider anti-Judaism contrary to Christian teaching. Here are the major social anti-Semitic categories

a. Christians towards Jews: If all men would understand the mystery of the Cross, that love triumphs over enemies, then there will be peace on earth and goodwill toward all men. It is wrong and unfair for Christians to class all Jews into this group of Jesus and Christian haters. Most well studied Christians long for a bridge back to decent relationships with Jews. True Christians know that people other than Jews take advantage of them at times so there is no reason to blast at the Jews as if they are the only ones who have ever done this. Gentiles hate and abuse Gentiles and rip them off every day.

b. Jews towards Jews: Christian Jews are commanded to love their fellow Jews, but there is no mutuality here. I would remind everyone that the crucifixion of Jesus Messiah was the direct result of Jewish hatred against another Jew, the BEST JEW who ever lived! The persecution of Christian Jews within Messianic Judaism for the first one hundred years of the Church was by other Jews, led by Jews, and provoked in many heathen Cities by Jews. Two of the worlds greatest anti-Semites were Karl Marx and Adolph Hitler and both were of Jewish birth. Marx and Hitler both did this for their new causes of world dominion!  

 

 c. All other religions towards Jews: atheist, Apostate, Homosexual, Lesbian, Communist, Mafia, New Age, Wicca, Satanism, Hindu, Buddhist

 

4. Anti-Semitism in the New Testament?

Few Jews consider the New Testament anti-Semitic as such. The main concern of most Jews today is how the New Testament has been used to provoke anti-Semitism, which is a modern phenomenon. A number of elements of the New Testament are debatably anti-Jewish. Among them are:

#1 The claim that Jews are responsible for the murder of Jesus. This is exemplified by I Thessalonians2:14-15, “For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men”.

 

#2 The claim that the Jewish covenant with God has been superseded by a new covenant. Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

But let us as Christians know Rom 11:11 “Have they(Jews) stumbled that they should fall?” The faith of the old covenant led on to the faith of the new covenant, which shows that salvation has been by faith from the call of Abraham to the present time.

 

#3 Criticisms of the Pharisees. The self-righteous Pharisees considered it equal to legal defilement to sit in company with tax-gatherers and heathens. John 7:19 – “Did not Moses give you the law” The scribes and Pharisees announced our Lord to the multitude as a deceiver; and they grounded their slander on this, that he was not an exact observer of the law, for he had healed a man on the Sabbath day, Joh_5:9, Joh_5:10; and consequently must be a false prophet. Now they insinuated that the interests of religion required him to be put to death:

 

#4 Another source of tension between early Christians and Jews was the question of observance of Jewish law. Early Christians were divided over this issue: Jesus’ brother James believed that Christians had to be Jews and observe Jewish law, while Paul argued that Christians did not have to observe all of Jewish law, and did not have to be circumcised, which was a requirement for male Jews.

#5 Christians continue in theologically rejecting any and all groups who rejected the Christian claim that Jesus was God, which of course included the Jews. In recent years a few Christian denominations have begun to teach that readers should understand the New Testament’s seeming attacks on Jews are specific charges aimed at the Jewish leaders of that time, and upon attitudes displayed by many, inside and outside Judaism.

5. Anti-Semitic Church Fathers & Catholic Saints

Eusebius of Caesarea, in 325, blames the calamities which befell the Jewish nation on the Jews’ role in the death of Jesus: “that from that time seditions and wars and mischievous plots followed each other in quick succession, and never ceased in the city and in all Judea until finally the siege of Vespasian overwhelmed them. Thus the divine vengeance overtook the Jews for the crimes which they dared to commit against Christ. “ (Eusebius of Caesarea, Church History: Book II, Chapter 6: The Misfortunes which overwhelmed the Jews after their Presumption against Christ) [1]

Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan (340-397 CE) - A bishop was accused of instigating the burning of a synagogue by an anti-Semitic mob, and Emperor Theodosius was preparing to order the bishop to rebuild it. Ambrose discouraged the Emperor from taking this step because it would appear to show special favoritism to the Jews.

Augustine of Hippo in Book 18, Chapter 46, of The City of God. wrote “The Jews who slew Jesus, and would not believe in Him, because it behoved Him to die and rise again, were yet more miserably wasted by the Romans, and utterly rooted out from their kingdom, where aliens had already ruled over them, and were dispersed through the lands (so that indeed there is no place where they are not), and are thus by their own Scriptures a testimony to us that we have not forged the prophecies about Christ.” [2] Augustine deems this scattering important because he believes that this is a fulfillment of certain prophecies, thus proving that Jesus was the Messiah.  This is because Augustine believes that the Jews who were dispersed were the enemies of the Christian Church. He also quotes “that the Jews should be left alive and suffering as a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ”.

Ephraim the Syrian and his polemics against Jews Analysis of Ephraim’s writings In his Dialog of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew, the Christian scholar Justin Martyr advanced arguments for the truth of Christianity and wrote to his imaginary Jewish opponent: “You think that these words refer to the stranger and the proselytes, but in fact they refer to us who have been illumined by Jesus. For Christ would have borne witness even to them; but now you are become twofold more the children of Hell, as He said Himself.”

Saint Jerome (374-419 CE) - He denounced Jews as “Judaic serpents of whom Judas was the model.” and “The Jews seek nothing but to have children, possess riches and be healthy. They seek all earthly things, but think nothing of heavenly things; for this reason they are mercenaries.”

Saint John Chrysostom (ca 344 - 407 CE) - wrote of the Jews “Shall I tell you of their plundering, their covetousness, their abandonment of the poor, their thefts, their cheating in trade? the whole day long will not be enough to give you an account of these things. But do their festivals have something solemn and great about them? They have shown that these, too, are impure.”

“But before I draw up my battle line against the Jews, I will be glad to talk to those who are members of our own body, those who seem to belong to our ranks although they observe the Jewish rites and make every effort to defend them. Because they do this, as I see it, they deserve a stronger condemnation than any Jew.”  

“Are you Jews still disputing the question? Do you not see that you are condemned by the testimony of what Christ and the prophets predicted and which the facts have proved? But why should this surprise me? That is the kind of people you are. From the beginning you have been shameless and obstinate, ready to fight at all times against obvious facts.” Historical note The goal of these sermons was to discourage Christians from intermixing Jewish belief and practice with Christian belief and practice, because he believed that Jewish belief and practice were incompatible with Christianity. They were delivered while Chrysostom was a tonsured Reader, well before his ordination to the priesthood.

Saint Fulgentius of Ruspe (467-533 CE) - In his “Writings”, written about 510 CE, he states “Hold most firmly and doubt not that not all the pagans, but also all the Jews, heretic and schismatics who depart from the present life outside the Catholic Church, are about to go into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

6. Anti-Semitic Christian Writers & Events

Thomas of Monmouth, a monk in the Norwich Benedictine monastery, wrote a detailed anti-Semitic tractate holding that Jews tortured to death Christian children during Passover. His tractate was called The Life and Miracles of St.  William of Norwich, 1173.

Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274) preached that the Jews were damned because they had slain Jesus, and the only way they could be saved was to renounce their faith and be baptized as Christians.

Geoffrey Chaucer (1343-1400) wrote in “The Prioress’s Tale” of his Canterbury Tales of a devout little Christian child who was murdered by Jews affronted at his singing a hymn as he passed through the Jewry, or Jewish quarter, of a city in Asia:

Pope Clement VIII (1536-1605). “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then, as now, Jews have to be reminded intermittently that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Events

The Jews’ expulsion from England

Edward I of England expelled all the Jews from England in 1290 (only after ransoming some 3,000 among the most wealthy of them).

The Jews’ expulsion from Spain

In 1481, Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, the rulers of Spain

who financed Christopher Columbus’ voyage to the New World just a few years

later in 1492, declared the Spanish Inquisition. All Jews in their territory

were compelled to convert to Christianity or flee the country. While some

converted, many others left for Morocco and North Africa.

The Synod of Clermont  535 CE, prohibited Jews from holding public office.

Nazi Germany, 1935 CE - Prohibited Jews from holding public office.  The 12^th Synod of Toledo (Spain), 681 CE, ordered the burning of the Talmud and other Jewish books.

Nazi Germany - Ordered the burning of the Talmud and other Jewish books.  In 692, the Trulanic Synod forbade Christians to go to Jewish doctors, attend Jewish religious feasts or have friendly relations with Jews.  Nazi Germany - The Nuremberg laws forbade people to go to Jewish doctors The Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 CE, forced Jews to wear a distinctive badge on their clothing.

Pope Paul IV, in 1555, issues a papal bull forcing Jews to wear yellow hats; this same papal bull confines Jews to ghettos, and bans them from working in most professions.

Nazi Germany adopted every one of these laws in 1939; the only change was that the yellow hat was changed to a yellow star.  In the 1930s Nazi Germany help the Lutheran church and other Christian churches publicize Martin Luther’s teachings; his recommendations were carried out on every Jew in Germany and its occupied lands.

 

7. Opposition Began during the Holocaust

The Confessing Church was, in 1934, the first Christian opposition group. The Catholic Church followed by officially condemning the Nazi racism in Germany in 1937.

By the 1940s, fewer Christians were willing to oppose Nazi policy publicly, but many secretly helped save the lives of Jews. There are many sections of Israel’s Holocaust Remembrance Museum, Yad VaShem, dedicated to honoring these “Righteous Among the Nations”.

8. Reasons Why Anti-Semitism Continues

A Christian principle is that all people must know God as revealed through Jesus, as that is the only way that anyone can avoid damnation and gain eternal life in Heaven.

· Modern Christian leaders fight to retain maximum power and authority of the Church. Same as the Pharisees argued to retain maximum power and authority

· Modern Christian leaders are not open to what they do not understand, Jewish roots of Christianity

9. Anti-Semitism In Modern-Day Nations

Anti-Semitism in Europe remains a substantial problem. The entry on Religious freedom in Poland discusses the current state of religious tensions in predominantly Catholic Poland. Anti-Semitism exists to a lesser or greater degree in many other nations as well, including: mostly countries with immigrants from Muslim countries. While in a decline since the 1940s, there is still a measurable amount of anti-Semitism in the United States of America as well, although acts of violence are quite rare. The 2001 survey by the Anti-Defamation League reported 1432 acts of anti-Semitism in the United States that year. The figure included 877 acts of harassment, including verbal intimidation, threats and physical assaults.

10. The “White Power” Movement

The Christian Identity movement, the Ku Klux Klan and other White supremacy groups claim to be very strongly Christian in nature; they are vehemently anti-Semitic, as well as racist. The Klan is also demonstrably anti-Catholic. A racial belief common among these groups, but not universal, is an alternative history doctrine, sometimes called British Israelism. In some forms this doctrine absolutely denies that modern Jews have any racial connection to Israel of the Bible. Instead, according to extreme forms of this doctrine, the true racial Israel and true humans, are the Adamic (white) race.

• Aryan Nations: Idaho-based Aryan Nations remains an organization of serious concern and a potential catalyst for acts of violence. The ideology that motivates the group's hatred is "Christian Identity," a pseudo-religious doctrine which argues that Northern European whites and their American descendants are the "Chosen People" of Scriptural prophecy; that Jews are the "Synagogue of Satan"; that Blacks and other people of color are subhuman "mud people," and that the Bible mandates that homosexuals be executed. To promote this agenda, Aryan Nations hosts semiannual gatherings at its headquarters, conducts a "prison outreach ministry" affiliated with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang, and operates a Home Page on the World Wide Web. Aryan Nations is the most significant "Identity"-oriented organization in America.

 

• White Aryan Resistance (WAR) Founded by former California Klan leader Tom Metzger in 1983, WAR has been the leading information and propaganda clearinghouse for the neo-Nazi skinhead movement in the United States. WAR continues to publish a monthly tabloid and operates a telephone hate message service, as well as an Internet Home Page, to disseminate the lowest level of hatemongering propaganda against Jews, Blacks and other groups. With a proven record of violence, WAR remains a group whose activities and publications demand the attention of law enforcement and the condemnation of the public.

 

• National Alliance
• Skinheads

11. Current attempts to convert Jews to Christianity

Most Jews consider attempts to convert Jews to Christianity as effectively being anti-Semitic.

The Southern Baptist Convention, has explicitly rejected suggestions that it should back away from seeking to convert Jews, a position that critics have called anti-Semitic but that Baptists see as consistent with their biblical view that salvation is found solely though faith in Christ.

Among the controversial groups that has found support from some Evangelical churches is Jews for Jesus, which claims that Jews can find their Jewish faith become complete by accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

By contrast, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Canada and the Roman Catholic Church have ended their efforts to convert Jews. Most Jews see evangelism directed specifically at Jews as anti-Semitic.

 

12. Christian Responsibility Towards Jewish People & Israel

Especially strong fascination with Jews and Judaism, both positive and negative, has typified Christianity from the beginning. No other family lineage has the significance to Christianity that belongs to every Jew, simply by being born Jewish. Special interest in their history and religion has occasionally produced among Christians a special interest in winning their completion.

The logical assumption that Jews should understand Jesus better than anyone makes Jewish rejection of Christian claims felt with unique disappointment, sometimes erupting into hatred and violence toward them, for reasons that would not even remotely apply to any other ethnic group. This has been the important cause of Christian anti-semitism for centuries, and especially during the Inquisition. 

As director of Light, Life, & Peace Ministry and a Christian Jew, ask you to help me turn around the unfair characterization that all Jews are evil and antichrist. This can be very hard since other Mainstream Jews (orthodox, conservative, reform) dislike Christian Jews because of their religious choice to believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

 

• Being Christian means being a living image of God's grace, mercy & work in our personal lives. Rom 11:30-31 “For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief. Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.”
• Being Christian means opening channels of prayer for the Jewish people and all other religions Paul expresses his great sorrow for the unbelief and obstinacy of the Jews in Rom 9:1-6  “I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” - Though the apostle knew that the Jews were now in a state of rejection, yet he knew also that they were in this state through their own obstinacy, and that God was still waiting to be gracious, and consequently, that they might still repent and turn to him. Of his concern for their salvation he had already given ample proof, when he was willing to become a sacrifice for their welfare Rom 10:1 “Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved”.
• Being Christian means sharing God's love through our new circumcised heart Mar 12:30 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment”. 

Therefore we apply this same love to all people Mat 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” Joh 13:35 “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another”.

 

Refs:

Jewish Virtual Library

Christians who hate the Jews By Melanie Phillips. First published in the Spectator, February 16 2002.

Jews Who Hate Other Jews By Cohen G. Reckart, Pastor

Clark Commentary

 

[Blogger]

Good exposé. The church is not the church when it hates God's people.

[ArrogantBustard]

Most Jews consider attempts to convert Jews to Christianity as effectively being anti-Semitic.

If so, then the term "anti-semitism" has utterly lost any significance ... it's just an insult-phrase, meaning "people I don't like".

[jboot]

Do you believe it is hateful to evangelize Jews? That is the gist of point #11.

[Alex Murphy]

The church is not the church when it hates God's people.

But are God's people really God's people, when they hate the church?

I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

- Romans 9:1-8

[Blogger]

Not really. It's people I don't like for a particular reason (i.e., their race or ethnic/social group). In reality, we know that witnessing to Jewish people is not an act of hatred but of love. If one truly believes what the Christian religion teaches, but hated the Jews, the logical thing would be to NOT witness to them and help them from perishing. Evangelistic efforts towards people of other religions are therefore not acts of hatred but of love. Coercive "evangelism" is not Christian.

[Blogger]

Yes. God chose us in Him even before the foundation of the world. Even while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Therefore, it doesn't depend upon the one chosen but on the Chooser.

[ArrogantBustard]

According to your article, preaching the Gospel to Jews constitutes "anti-semitism".

[Blogger]

Considering that it was written by a Messianic Jew, I doubt that is the intent.

[Blogger]

That isn't the Gist of #11. It is 1)Most Jews CONSIDER IT antisemitic. 2) Southern Baptists don't back away from it. 3) Others do. It is not saying that it IS hateful. And considering that the author is a Messianic Jew who is affiliated with Southern Baptists, I doubt that is his intent.

[ArrogantBustard]

Most Jews consider attempts to convert Jews to Christianity as effectively being anti-Semitic.

That's straight from the article. I don't know how much more plain it can be. If that claim (made in the article) is true, then the term "anti-semitism" is nothing but rhetorical drivel.

[onedoug]

But that Jesus was a Pharisee by his being recognized and addressed as rabbi. And one would think (from reading the Gospels) that the Romans were not ruthlessly occupying the land, and had only a transitory role in Jesus' execution.

Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea: Jesus and The Jewish Resistance

Pope Benedict XVI (then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger), Many Religions-One Covenant: Israel, the Church and the World

[Mrs. Don-o]

Here's an interesting message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin of Toward Tradition (found in my mailbox today):

Where Did All the Anti-Semites Go Last Tuesday?

By Rabbi Daniel Lapin

Statistics about the election have been cascading down upon us like a heavy Pacific Northwest rainstorm. However one astounding fact about the 110th Congress has been studiously avoided. Never before in American history have so many congressmen and senators been Jewish. At least thirteen United States senators are Jewish as are more than thirty congressmen. In addition, many powerful committee chairmanships are to be held by Jews.

Nearly 10% of the seats in the United States Congress are to be held by Jews whose numbers in the population at large are barely over 2% and few consider this worthy of mention. That is strange. What could account for such reticence?

After all, some of us Jews are quick to denounce those who speak of "Jewish power," whether in Washington D.C. or in Hollywood, as anti-Semites.

One possibility is that Jewish commentators who noticed this anomaly decided discretion was the better part of valor. After all, some of us Jews are quick to denounce those who speak of "Jewish power," whether in Washington D.C. or in Hollywood, as anti-Semites. Such commentators might have believed that if they remained mum on the topic, perhaps nobody would notice the dramatic rise of "Jewish power."

Meanwhile those commentators who are not Jewish might have been dissuaded from mentioning this interesting Election Day result for fear of being smeared as anti-Semitic.

Of course, another possibility is that to most Americans, Jews are so accepted that dicing the election results by religion is utterly boring. Hello everybody! Jews are over represented in national politics just as they are on university faculties and just as they are on the Forbes 400 list. Yawn.

For me there is another possible reason for why few were interested in the religious make up of Congress.

The chasm cutting through Congress does not divide Jew from Christian. It divides those who see Judeo-Christian values as vital to our nation's survival from those who view such values as primitive obstructions to progress. There are Jews and Christians on both sides.

Yes, it is true that Americans of Jewish ancestry are disproportionately represented in the 100th Congress. But why does this fact not fill my heart with pride?

Yes, it is true that Americans of Jewish ancestry are disproportionately represented in the 100th Congress. But why does this fact not fill my heart with pride?

Because I am not a primitive tribesman or a bigoted racist, that's why.

Allow me to explain. Primitive people form alliances purely on blood. They depend upon their relatives and distrust everyone else. As these primitive societies begin to grow, their families become extended families and then tribes. To this day, many entire countries such as Saudi Arabia are tribally based. If you are not born into the right tribe, you are forever an outsider.

On the other hand free societies base their alliances on shared ideas, values, and beliefs rather than on blood.

Nazi Germany established a blood-based, racial society which operated on the same brutal rules as employed by Saudi sheiks or tribal tyrants in Africa. German Jews whose families had lived in Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne or Nuremburg for centuries and who were deeply immersed in the music of Mozart and the poetry of Heinrich Heine were tortured and expelled by illiterate street thugs who knew nothing of German culture and cared less. The Nazis made blood and tribe count for more than ideas and values.

To me, Judaism is a unique covenant with God. That means that it is even more than a religion. It is certainly considerably more than an ethnicity or a race. Judaism surely means more than an urban tribe whose men are circumcised and who celebrate the coming of age of their young thirteen-year-old warriors with ostentatious extravaganzas.

Thus, to me and surely to most thoughtful people, the importance to me of my representative in government is not his ethnicity, his race, or his color. It is whether or not he shares my deepest values about government.

Thus, to me and surely to most thoughtful people, the importance to me of my representative in government is not his ethnicity, his race, or his color. It is whether or not he shares my deepest values about government.

Does he feel that the proper role of government is a limitless quest to improve the lives of its citizens? Or does he believe government ultimately incapable of such utopian grandeur? Does he know that American vitality depends upon Judeo-Christian values shaping our culture rather than MTV doing so? Will he place freedom ahead of security if forced to choose? Does he see the traditional family, in whose warm embrace all the desirable traits of good citizenship are nourished, as the only essential building block of society? Or does he welcome immorality masquerading as rights? Does he know that only private citizens working hard can create wealth for society while all that government can do is hinder that struggle by taking money from some and doling it out to others?

So the real question is not how many Jews there are in the 110th Congress. It is far more useful to ponder the beliefs of many of those in the incoming Congress.

So the real question is not how many Jews there are in the 110th Congress. It is far more useful to ponder the beliefs of many of those in the incoming Congress. Consider what they feel about business, family, the role of religion, and whether they believe redemption is best offered by God or by government.

The sad reality to me as a rabbi, a teacher charged with the education of his people, is that far too many American Jews are utterly ignorant of their covenant. Many more American Jews could tell you the name of Jesus' mother than could identify the mother of Moses. Many American Jews have tragically abandoned the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, replacing it with the fundamentalist faith of secular liberalism.

To me, the real reason that nobody much cared about the number of Jews in the 110th Congress is that the overwhelming majority of them tend in thought toward secular liberal beliefs and in action toward the doctrines of the Democratic Party. If you doubt this, just imagine how the New York Times might have reacted had forty members of the 110th Congress been Orthodox Jewish Republicans.

So I am a little saddened by the large influx of Jews onto Capitol Hill. Not because I don't like their ethnicity, but because I don’t care much for their values.

So I am a little saddened by the large influx of Jews onto Capitol Hill. Not because I don't like their ethnicity, but because I don't care much for their values. However, as saddened as I am by the election results of last Tuesday, I am practically prancing in the sunshine compared to those who make their living fighting anti-Semitism in America. For them, last Tuesday was bad news.

To them I ask only this: Where were all the anti-Semitic voters last Tuesday? How many Jewish congressmen, Jewish senators, Jewish governors, and Jewish members of the United States Supreme Court would there have to be before you would concede that we live in a blessed and close-to-perfect country in which institutionalized anti-Semitism is nothing but a long-gone, bad memory?

[jboot]

What is his intent, then? According to the author, should we or should we not evangelize the Jews? He leaves the question hang.

[Blogger]

From the article:

As director of Light, Life, & Peace Ministry and a Christian Jew, ask you to help me turn around the unfair characterization that all Jews are evil and antichrist. This can be very hard since other Mainstream Jews (orthodox, conservative, reform) dislike Christian Jews because of their religious choice to believe in Jesus as the Messiah.



Being Christian means being a living image of God's grace, mercy & work in our personal lives. Rom 11:30-31 “For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief. Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.”

Being Christian means opening channels of prayer for the Jewish people and all other religions Paul expresses his great sorrow for the unbelief and obstinacy of the Jews in Rom 9:1-6 “I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” - Though the apostle knew that the Jews were now in a state of rejection, yet he knew also that they were in this state through their own obstinacy, and that God was still waiting to be gracious, and consequently, that they might still repent and turn to him. Of his concern for their salvation he had already given ample proof, when he was willing to become a sacrifice for their welfare Rom 10:1 “Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved”.
Being Christian means sharing God's love through our new circumcised heart Mar 12:30 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment”.

Therefore we apply this same love to all people Mat 5:44 “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” Joh 13:35 “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another

[Iscool]

Most Jews consider attempts to convert Jews to Christianity as effectively being anti-Semitic.

And understandingly so...But it does not however relieve us from the responsibility to witness to Jews, or anyone else...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Sad but true, millions of church-goers haven't solved this mystery yet, even tho the answer is right there...

[bornacatholic]

Poor attempt at trashing the Catholic Church. Even the few Church Fathers cited (and not all of the citations are antisemitic) does not mean the Catholic Church was antisemitic.

However, I am sure there are examples of antisemitism from your own comuntiy of believers.

Please feel free to quote from your own comunity rather than finger-pointing at Catholics and everybody else leaving the impression y'all have been free from the sin of antisemitism

[Blogger]

I didn't say we were. You keep your house clean, I'll keep mine.

[Blogger]

I agree with you. And out of my love for them, I wish Jewish people everywhere the best of everything in life - including a personal relationship with my Lord. If they do not accept Him as their Messiah, I still love them dearly. It pains me when people don't.

Doesn't mean I'm perfect in all of my attitudes towards other religionists either. But the Israelites and Jews are unique in God's economy in many regards. In their history. In their future with Him. He will be faithful to them even when they have been unfaithful to Him. And He will be their God and they His people in a not-too-distant time in the future.

[bornacatholic]

Surely there must be ONE antisemite in the history of your community. Please share...

[Blogger]

You have missed the point. Nobody is attacking the Catholics. It's the history being discussed. Try to be a little more constructive and stay on topic.

[Augustinian monk]

Theres nothing in the article that proves that the early church fathers were "anti-semitic". Just hyper-sensitive, PC overeaction by the author.

[ladyinred]

Most Jews consider attempts to convert Jews to Christianity as effectively being anti-Semitic.

I think that is a true statement, but I doubt the author of this article feels this way. That is the difference.

[bornacatholic]

It is history I am seeking. You refuse to participate in an historical review of antisemitism in your community. What I am asking is perfectly on topic - unless the topic is restricted to the history of antisemitism of everyone who has never been a member of my community of believers

As for "try to be ...constructive.." how is it "constructive to cite... Saint Fulgentius of Ruspe (467-533 CE) - In his “Writings”, written about 510 CE, he states “Hold most firmly and doubt not that not all the pagans, but also all the Jews, heretic and schismatics who depart from the present life outside the Catholic Church, are about to go into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

*St. Fulgence of Ruspe lived from Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi 467-527. Your author got both his name and date of death wrong. Then, he compounded the error by labelling the quote antisemitic. It is nothing of the sort. It is a PARTIAL QUOTE used in the service of a polemic against antisemtiism.

What was quoted was lifted from the Saint's Rule of Faith, part of which was concerned with listing those who, if they were not members of the Catholic Chuch, would go to Hell. The topic was MEMBERSHIP IN THE CHURCH AND SALVATION. It ain't about antisemitism.

I have problems with the others listed here as they are also tendentiously treated and tweaked to "prove" they were antisemites

[ArrogantBustard]

You miss my point.

If "preaching the Gospel to Jews" is identical with "anti-semitism" ... then what?

Either:

a) Preaching the Gospel to Jews is a shameful thing

or

b) "Anti-semitism" is a meaningless epithet.

[Blogger]

Your statement is the overreaction. Did he say that all of the early church fathers were anti-semitic? No. He named some antisemitic statements. Heck most of the world has been anti-semitic since Israel first became a nation. The author's article is NOT to castigate the world for being antisemitic. He documents antisemitism that has existed. His point is as Christians we should not allow such thinking to exist in our own lives. The hypersensitivity not with the Jewish believer. But even if it was, I think having been kicked out of several countries and having had millions of your own murdered might tend to make you a bit hypersensitive.

Don't ignore reality in order to excuse the church from some real wrongs it did. Rather, learn from history and treat everyone with respect today. That is the point.

[Blogger]

He doesn't. He is a Messianic Jewish Believer. Obviously, he didn't consider an effort to convert him antisemitic.

[Blogger]

My community is that of the Christian faith. I own what has happened in the past and learn from it. You apparently wish to excuse it and change the subject. I'd rather admit the guilt of Christianity (because it most certainly is guilty- though not because it was being particularly "Christian" at the time) and strive to keep it from happening again.

[ladyinred]

I didn't miss your point, honestly. I thought you were asking if the author, or the person who posted this thought that preaching the gospel to the Jews is anti semitism. Clearly they do not, but most Jewish people do. Do Christians think so, NO!

[bornacatholic]

The Catholic Church was not antisemitic. I am excusing nothing. I asked you a question repeatedly and it is clear you won't respond.

I corrected the record on the mislabelling of St Fulgence as an antisemite.

Feel free to thank me for making a correction of your post. Everyone is entitled to their good name, right?

The Catholic Church is the real Christian Church. It has always been Holy..as in One, Holy, Catholic... (it's in all the Creeds). There has never been a time when the Spouse of Christ was "not particularly "Christian."

You, brother, are not acting particularly Christian when you accept at face value the putative accuracy of the antisemitic label.

Try to be more constructive

[bornacatholic]

Eusebius of Caesarea, in 325, blames the calamities which befell the Jewish nation on the Jews’ role in the death of Jesus: “that from that time seditions and wars and mischievous plots followed each other in quick succession, and never ceased in the city and in all Judea until finally the siege of Vespasian overwhelmed them. Thus the divine vengeance overtook the Jews for the crimes which they dared to commit against Christ. “ (Eusebius of Caesarea, Church History: Book II, Chapter 6: The Misfortunes which overwhelmed the Jews after their Presumption against Christ) [1]

*Josephus blamed the over zealous Jews for the destruction..Josephus, just another antisemite..

Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan (340-397 CE) - A bishop was accused of instigating the burning of a synagogue by an anti-Semitic mob, and Emperor Theodosius was preparing to order the bishop to rebuild it. Ambrose discouraged the Emperor from taking this step because it would appear to show special favoritism to the Jews.

*How is that proof of antisemitism?

Augustine of Hippo in Book 18, Chapter 46, of The City of God. wrote “The Jews who slew Jesus, and would not believe in Him, because it behoved Him to die and rise again, were yet more miserably wasted by the Romans, and utterly rooted out from their kingdom, where aliens had already ruled over them, and were dispersed through the lands (so that indeed there is no place where they are not), and are thus by their own Scriptures a testimony to us that we have not forged the prophecies about Christ.” [2] Augustine deems this scattering important because he believes that this is a fulfillment of certain prophecies, thus proving that Jesus was the Messiah. This is because Augustine believes that the Jews who were dispersed were the enemies of the Christian Church. He also quotes “that the Jews should be left alive and suffering as a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ”.

*Here is the quote in context...

CHAP. 46.--OF THE BIRTH OF OUR SAVIOUR, WHEREBY THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH; AND OF THE DISPERSION OF THE JEWS AMONG ALL NATIONS, AS HAD BEEN PROPHESIED.

While Herod, therefore, reigned in Judea, and Caesar Augustus was emperor at Rome, the state of the republic being already changed, and the world being set at peace by him, Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judah, man manifest out of a human virgin, God hidden out of God the Father. For so had the prophet foretold: "Behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which, being interpreted, is, God with us."(2) He did many miracles that He might commend God in Himself, some of which, even as many as seemed sufficient to proclaim Him, are contained in the evangelic Scripture. The first of these is, that He was so wonderfully born, and the last, that with His body raised up again from the dead He ascended into heaven. But the Jews who slew Him, and would not believe in Him, because it behoved Him to die and rise again, were yet more miserably wasted by the Romans, and utterly rooted out from their kingdom, where aliens had already ruled over them, and were dispersed through the lands (so that indeed there is no place where they are not), and are thus by their own Scriptures a testimony to us that we have not forged the prophecies about Christ. And very many of them, considering this, even before His passion, but chiefly after His resurrection, believed on Him, of whom it was predicted, "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, the remnant shall be saved."(3) But the rest are blinded, of whom it was predicted, "Let their table be made before them a trap, and a retribution, and a stumbling-block. Let their eyes be darkened lest they see, and bow down their back alway."(4) Therefore, when they do not believe our Scriptures, their own, which they blindly read, are fulfilled in them, lest perchance any one should say that the Christians have forged these prophecies about Christ which are quoted under the name of the sibyl, or of others, if such there be, who do not belong to the Jewish people. For us, indeed, those suffice which are quoted from the books of our enemies, to whom we make our acknowledgment, on account of this testimony which, in spite of themselves, they contribute by their possession of these books, while they themselves are dispersed among all nations, wherever the Church of Christ is spread abroad. For a prophecy about this thing was sent before in the Psalms, which they also read, where it is written, "My God, His mercy shall prevent me. My God hath shown me concerning mine enemies, that Thou shalt not slay them, lest they should at last forget Thy law: disperse them in Thy might."(5) Therefore God has shown the Church in her enemies the Jews the grace of His compassion, since, as saith the apostle, "their offence is the salvation of the Gentiles."(6) And therefore He has not slain them, that is, He has not let the knowledge that they are Jews be lost in them, although they have been conquered by the Romans, lest they should forget the law of God, and their testimony should be of no avail in this matter of which we treat. But it was not enough that he should say, "Slay them not, lest they should at last forget Thy law," unless he had also added, "Disperse them;" because if they had only been in their own land with that testimony of the Scriptures, and not every where, certainly the Church which is everywhere could not have had them as witnesses among all nations to the prophecies which were sent before concerning Christ.

*That's another false charge I have exposed. Feel free to thank me at any time...

[Rampolla]

Re Thomas Aquinas damning Jews to hell, what's your citation? Are you using anti-semitism and anti-Judaism, specifically anti-Talmudic-Judaism as synonyms?

[Rampolla]

The phrase anti-Semitism is a relatively recent word coined by a German, Wilhelm Marr in 1870. It refers to race and claims that Jews are hateful because of certain ineradicable biological characteristics. The word has now been re-defined to include anyone who does not like Jews. Christians should not be anti-Semitic but they may be anti-Jewish for theological and/or other reasons.

The phrase has expanded well beyond its original roots. For example the State Department's report on Global Anti-Semitism has defined it to mean: 1)Any assertion that Jews control gov't, media int'l business, and finances; 2)strong anti-Israel sentiment 3)virulent criticism of Israel's leaders 4)criticism of Jewish religion, leaders, literature 5)criticizing the US gov't for being under Zionist influence 6 )criticism of Zionism for promoting globalism 7) blaming Jewish leadership for inciting the Romans to crucify Jesus 8)diminishing the 6,000,000 figure re the Holocaust 9)calling Israel a racist state 10)claiming there is a Zionist conspiracy 11)claiming that Jews and their leaders created the Bolshevik revolution in Russia 12)making derogatory comments about Jewish persons.

Arabs are Semites. It would be well if you indicated the definition of anti-Semitism that you are using.

[Andrew Byler]

The church is not the church when it hates God's people.

The Church is God's people. It is the faithful remnant of racial Israel, and the ingrafted memebers of all other nations who have accepted the faith of Abraham as preached by the prophets and by Our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the message of the Gospel. See Jonah, Romans 11, Galatians 3, Acts 10, St. John 15, etc.

[Blogger]

Agreed that the church is God's people. Remnant Israel is God's people as well. There is an ideology that says God is through with biological Israel (they aren't really a race unless semitic counts, but do share a common lineage). This is not biblical. The Bible indicates that after a time of blinding (in part), God will revisit His people and draw her to Himself. Those who hate her are not behaving as Christians.

[Blogger]

Fair enough. And, yes, Arabs are Semites as well. I specifically look at it as a strong or even subtle prejudice against Jews and Israelites (henceforth, "Jews" as a generic term - but recognizing that a Jew is mainly someone from the tribe of Judah and then there are other tribes recognized as Israelites) for some irrational, unhistorical reason. For example, "The Jews poisoned the wells" is blatantly anti-semitic. "The Jews cause all of the wars of the world" is another anti-semitic statement. "The Jews were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus" may or may not be. If one is implying that they were SOLELY responsible, it is a lie and is anti-Jewish garbage. Jew and Gentile alike participated in the crucifixion and some Jews and Gentiles did not. It is much better to say the Sanhedrin of Jesus' day and those who the Sanhedrin stirred up were partially responsible and the Romans were as well. That is factually correct. Unfortunately, we've had a lot of Christians making idiotic statements blaming the Jews for everything. This is the kind of anti-semitism that we should guard against as the church. And, nobody's house is clean. Denominationally, pretty much all have transgressed in some respect.

[Blogger]

I didn't write the article.

[slaymakerpowertape]

Of course they were.

[Blogger]

I believed that this would be a good article for discussion on people's attitudes towards those of the Jewish faith. Particularly, it is a call to examine one's self if one is part of the church. Unfortunately, it has been taken as an attack on the Catholic church. In spite of the fact that this was not the intent of the author (who is a Messianic Jewish Christian), this discussion is going places that are not really profitable and just lead to more infighting. I don't want to waste more time on such infighting. So, for now, I am through commenting on this thread.

[Iscool]

There has never been a time when the Spouse of Christ was "not particularly "Christian."

Jesus does not have a spouse, yet...It's future...

Besides, if He did, you missed the wedding...

[Augustinian monk]

You know the hearts and minds of the early church fathers? How old are you?

[bornacatholic]

You know the intent of the author?

I took the time to track down the partial qotes and in doing so I exposed the fact the men quoted were unfairly labelled as antisemitic.

I pinged you each time I corrected the record and you never once acknowledged the author had erred.

Is that Christian?

[Blogger]

I do know the intent of the author because I know of him and his ministry.

As to your taking the time to track down partial quotes, I have not engaged you in this debate because your intent is to start a religious war and make this an anti-Catholic thread. I'm not going there. This thread was about Christianity as a whole and its attitude towards the Jews. If you can not recognize that the Jews have been mistreated in history by people in the name of Christianity then I can not help it. I will not get in an anti-Catholic debate with you. We will leave it at there.

And, yes, it is quite Christian to not wish to argue with you. Good day.

[Blogger]

There was the "Wife" of YHWH, whom he will be reunited with. There is also the Bride of Christ.

The wife of YHWH is Israel
The bride of Christ is the Church

[bornacatholic]

As to your taking the time to track down partial quotes, I have not engaged you in this debate because your intent is to start a religious war and make this an anti-Catholic thread. I'm not going there.

*I told you my intent was to protect the good names of Saints falsely accused of being antisemitic. Despite my clear profession of intent, you insist on claiming my intent is malign. That is as far from Christian an act as is possible.

Please tell you friend to register here and respond to my posts. It is clear you will not.

[Blogger]

Your expressed intent and your obvious intent are two different things. You try to bait me by calling me unchristian. You want to start a Catholic war. Take it up on a Catholic thread. I will not be baited. And learn to read. I'm through with this thread.

[bornacatholic]

Your expressed intent and your obvious intent are two different things.

Not at all. I do not lie. I told you the truth about my motivation. And, to prove my motivation was as I said it was, I went out and tracked-down the quotes and set them into context. Why would I have done that if my motivation was as you falsely claim it is?

[Blogger]

I am through discussing this with you.

[steadfastconservative]

The author of this article apparently doesn't consider Muslim anti-Semitism to be a problem at all. Only Christians are anti-semitic. I also object to his categorizing Church Fathers and saints such as Thomas Aquinas as anti-Semites. But what do you expect from someone who uses the abbreviation "CE" instead of "AD"?

[Blogger]

ATTENTION: LISTEN CLOSELY! PARTICULARLY THE CATHOLICS ON THIS THREAD WHO WANT TO HAVE A PITTY PARTY BECAUSE THEY THINK A SAINT WAS PICKED ON. THIS ARTICLE IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CATHOLICS! IT IS AN ARTICLE CONTAINING STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED ANTISEMITIC THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WITHIN THE REALM OF CHRISTIANITY. WHETHER THEY ARE TRULY ANTI-SEMITIC OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT. WHETHER A CHURCH FATHER SAID IT OR JOE CHURCHGOER SAID IT IS IRRELEVANT. WHETHER A CATHOLIC SAID IT OR A BAPTIST SAID IT IS IRRELEVANT. PEOPLE FROM THE JEWISH FAITH HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY FOR CENTURIES. READ A HISTORY BOOK! LOOK AT THE QUOTES AND TRY, JUST TRY, TO SEE WHY SOMEONE COULD SEE THEM (IN WHATEVER CONTEXT THEY ARE IN) AS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON THEMSELVES. THE SAME OFFENSE ALL OF THE CATHOLICS ARE TAKING ON THIS THREAD IS THE SAME OFFENSE JEWS HAVE FELT FOR CENTURIES - MINUS THE EXPULSION FROM "CHRISTIAN" COUNTRIES, THE BETRAYAL FROM "CHRISTIAN" NAZIS, AND THE BLINDING SILENCE TO OUTRIGHT ANTAGONISM OF "CHRISTIAN" LEADERS AND COUNTRIES TODAY TO THE PROBLEMS WHICH ISRAEL FACES. TRY TO GET OUT OF YOUR ASSININE ARGUMENTATIVE MODE AND SEE THE POINT. IT MAY BE HARD, BUT TRY!!!!!

[bornacatholic]

Steadfast...try and help me out here. I am a bit confused about this post...

ATTENTION: LISTEN CLOSELY! PARTICULARLY THE CATHOLICS ON THIS THREAD WHO WANT TO HAVE A PITTY PARTY BECAUSE THEY THINK A SAINT WAS PICKED ON. THIS ARTICLE IS NOT AN ATTACK ON CATHOLICS!

*I was correcting the record. I do object to having Saints falsely labeled antisemites. How is that a pity party?

IT IS AN ARTICLE CONTAINING STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED ANTISEMITIC THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WITHIN THE REALM OF CHRISTIANITY.

*That is merely question-begging. I don't consider the quotes I dealt with antisemitic. There certainly is not common argreement those saints were antisemitic

WHETHER THEY ARE TRULY ANTI-SEMITIC OR NOT IS IRRELEVANT.

*So, the truth does not matter. It is the seriousness of the charge...now, where have I heard that before?

WHETHER A CHURCH FATHER SAID IT OR JOE CHURCHGOER SAID IT IS IRRELEVANT.

*If it IS irrelevant, then WHY put the words into the mouth of a Saint and mischaracterise it as antisemtiism?

WHETHER A CATHOLIC SAID IT OR A BAPTIST SAID IT IS IRRELEVANT.

* I don't think so. I don't se a single protestant quoted. Am I to believe only Catholics are antisemitic?

PEOPLE FROM THE JEWISH FAITH HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY FOR CENTURIES.< READ A HISTORY BOOK! LOOK AT THE QUOTES AND TRY, JUST TRY, TO SEE WHY SOMEONE COULD SEE THEM (IN WHATEVER CONTEXT THEY ARE IN) AS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON THEMSELVES.

*The quotes are taken out of context. I proved that. And why are lies about Catholic Sainst to be accepted at face-value and why should we Catholics not think that a personal attack?

THE SAME OFFENSE ALL OF THE CATHOLICS ARE TAKING ON THIS THREAD IS THE SAME OFFENSE JEWS HAVE FELT FOR CENTURIES -

*If Jews were misquoted to cast them in the worst possible light, they have every right to object. Every right and every duty.

MINUS THE EXPULSION FROM "CHRISTIAN" COUNTRIES, THE BETRAYAL FROM "CHRISTIAN" NAZIS, AND THE BLINDING SILENCE TO OUTRIGHT ANTAGONISM OF "CHRISTIAN" LEADERS AND COUNTRIES TODAY TO THE PROBLEMS WHICH ISRAEL FACES.

*What, exactly, is a christian Nazi? Is that sort of like a Christian Klansman?

TRY TO GET OUT OF YOUR ASSININE ARGUMENTATIVE MODE AND SEE THE POINT. IT MAY BE HARD, BUT TRY!!!!!

*I guess the point is to admit guilt even when the charges are acknowledged as based upon untruths?