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To: Alamo-Girl; All; Buggman; hosepipe; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; DarthVader

Thanks for the comment . . . evidently it was too much to benefit very many . . . perhaps particularly those most . . . edifiable? by such ponderings? LOL.

I would guess that many still don't have a clue what I was trying to accomplish. But it has to be experienced to be well felt, well understood, I think.

It seems to me . . . that

IF

there were NO DIFFERENCE, NO BENEFIT, NO ACHIEVABLE UPSMANSHIP INVOLVED

IN

the "MOTHER OF GOD" label,

IT WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN USED.

Mother of Jesus would have been sufficient and that would have been the end of it.

But the deification/near deification of Mary REQUIRES 100's of bits and pieces here and there . . .

here a pebble there a pebble . . . constructing her worshipfulness/adorationfulness/supreme-worthiness . . .

her God-like pedestal

and the MOTHER OF GOD one is a pretty big pebble toward that end.

1. If it's no different than MOTHER OF JESUS--USE MOTHER OF JESUS. If there's NO difference, why brook the least chance of offending God and others?

2. IF it IS different--what's the DIFFERENT PURPOSE IT FULFILLS, IF IT'S NOT AN IDOLATROUS ONE? The only plausible difference is an idolatrous one!

3. Subtle to not so subtle propaganda/subliminal mind control is at work in the MOTHER OF GOD label. And it is not just Mary that is being elevated to the God-like stratosphere.

IT IS PARTICULARLY AND PRIMARILY ALL THE HANGERS ON IN THE BUREAUCRATIC EDIFICE CONCOCTING THE NONSENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THEIR elevation and fattened coffers therefrom are paramount in the whole thing.

MARY herself knows better and has to be as revolted at the whole mucky bag of nonsense as anyone can be.


7,234 posted on 01/22/2007 7:41:34 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix; xzins; P-Marlowe
I really don't wish to participate much in a debate about the titles given to Mary.

My position all along has been that Mary is a very humble servant of God - as is Peter, Paul, Moses, Abraham and so on. And for that reason I believe she would be uncomfortable with some of the honor given to her, e.g. Queen of Heaven, Mother of God, etc. Of a Truth, she is the "Blessed Mother of the Incarnate Word" - but going further, I believe makes her uncomfortable.

Likewise, I cannot imagine Peter being comfortable with a title like His Holiness. He and Paul both were brought to their knees to serve Christ.

I feel the same about Moses and Abraham who were highly exalted by the Jews, I cannot imagine either of them being comfortable with all that attention.

In fact, if they were all right here participating on this forum – I would see each of them – Mary, Moses, Abraham, Peter, Paul – saying pretty much the same words the angel said here in Revelation:

Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. – Rev 22:19

Other than that, I have nothing to say - because all of these people - whether Christian or Jew - who venerate these fellowservants by all appearances themselves do it out of love and humility.

Worship God!

Maranatha, Jesus!

7,238 posted on 01/22/2007 8:12:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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