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Posted on 01/06/2007 7:13:58 AM PST by Titanites
Here's just a quick check. Does your copy of God's Word have these verses in it:
And interesting ploy you guys use...I have yet to see a Catholic discuss any scripture posted by a non Catholic...
Clinton didn't invent Triangulation...He got it from you guys...
Hmmmm. Back when I wrote my thesis (about the time of the First Afghan War - no, really, in 1976) . . . we didn't have computers (actually, we had computers, but they were huge room-sized behemoths that had to be fed spools of paper tape and reams of punch cards that always seemed to fall on the floor out of order.) I didn't have an extensive library to work with. I reconstructed a particular history in 1862-1865 from original documents preserved in my family, plus courthouse records which I had to blow the dust off of and copy by hand (no photocopies allowed because the originals were so fragile). I didn't use an airplane (just a motor car). I did use the telephone, but so did Alexander Graham Bell, so I think that's o.k.
Point is, I did it. And I can still read that incredible flowery clerk's handwriting that was current at the time, as well as crossed letters (but not double-crossed - can't read those).
And your answer is...?
I have yet to see a Catholic discuss any scripture posted by a non Catholic...
Then you must not be reading any of the posts by Catholics.
Seriously, lots of people asked Jesus directly for help for themselves. The woman with the issue of blood. And the blind man by the road to Jericho cried out, "Jesus, son of David, have mercy on me!" Also, the leper fell to the ground and said, "If you are willing, you can make me clean."
But your point is a good one - Jesus was especially compassionate to those who came seeking help for others.
The nire I study if the ministry of the Holy SPirit, the more I have bcome convinced that the import of Scriptueal study is to remain in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, thereby allowwing God the Holy Spirit make the LOGOS perceptible to the student and deliver that faith to the believer. All faith is from God, and when we begin to rely on human transltions rather than His work in us, we fail to allow Him to place the faith in us.
The arguments regarding literacy of translation IMHO are moot when one considers the enabling ministry of the Holy SPirit in us when we study Scripture through faith in Him. Let Him do all the work of edifying our spirit and soul and heart, rather than attempting to counterfeit His work by our own soulish perspectives.
GB
Nothing written by this group of crackpots can be considered accurate.
I am sure the KJV is a decent translation, with the exception being the deleted books. However, I'm not sure how it can be claimed that it is "God honored".
Though I'd think God would "honor" His oldest, wisest and most widely distributed "senses" of Himself.
*Jesus' version of Christianity is better than Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Knox etc etc
N'Yeah, N'yeah, N'Yeah, N'Yeah, isn't Latin.
Amen, brother. The Council at Jamnia was held for just that reason - those pesky converts :)
Yeah. You're point?
Yup just like those early church councils were called. Those pesky hair-ticks.
Where all good Charismaniacs were born...under rocks. New job and new baby and whatknot has kept me pretty busy, but I've learned enough to slack off now. I trust you're doing well.
There's nothing wrong with the KJV, as far as it goes.
The English of the KJV translation is antiquated, and difficult for modern readers to understand without quite a bit of education. Literacy is not a requirement to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and having had a class in Shakespearean English certainly isn't!
There are many translations of the Bible which are very scholarly and in more modern English. Also, when the KJV was translated, they had the Vulgate, they had some copies of the Greek textus receptus. They had the Masoretic Text of the Hebrews. But they did NOT have the advantage that modern scholars have of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are almost 1000 years older than the oldest manuscript of the Masoretic Text (which dates from the 900s AD). They didn't have the hundreds of ancient manuscripts that have been uncovered in the intervening four centuries.
Still, there's nothing wrong with the KJV as such, and if someone absolutely INSISTS on using it, then I am more than willing to do so - provided we use an original 1611 version, which contains the Deuterocanonica (the so-called "Apocrypha"). Alternatively, we can use a modern KJV for everything else, but have to get the Deuterocanonica from a Catholic Bible. If we want the language to be comparable, I guess the Douai-Rheims translation from the same time period as the KJV will suffice. Some folks just love those "Thees" "Thous" "Ye" and other archaisms. I usually give them a little test and ask them to conjugate certain verbs in King James' English, just to see the extent to which they really comprehend the meaning of "thou" and its grammatical place in the language; to wit: it is NOT a term of respect, but the contrary, it is a term of extreme familiarity which is OFFENSIVE when used to another human being to whom one owes respect. It is the equivalent of "Tu" in French, which will get you beaten up by the police if you use it today. Some folks know, but most that I have done my little test with can't conjugate verbs in Shakespearean English, and think "Thee" and "Thou" are more respectful than plain old "You".
Anyway, conceding the point and using the KJV is perfectly fine by me. If using any other Bible is a stumbling block for some folks, then we'll use the KJV and that forecloses a whole line of utterly superfluous argument, such as the one that was the subject of this thread. The guy JUST wants to use the KJV? Great. We'll use it when talking with him. It doesn't change anything substantive, at all, if we use the 1611 version anyway. Then we can get down to the matter of content, and he'll still prove to be wrong.
The New Testament is Tradition written down, but, it is not the fullness of Tradition, If it was, it would state that.
Absent the Catholic Church, you would not even have the NT with which to attack us :)
Please take a few minutes to draft an explanation as to how your particular community had a blessed thing to do with writing a single letter,a single word of the new Testament.
***Yeah. You're point?***
If the SHEPEHRD OF HERMAS was in the 4th century bibles why is it not in it today.
And why is no one throwing fits about it.
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