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ALL CHRISTIANS HAVE A BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW, RIGHT?
christianworldviewnetwork.com ^ | Dr. Woodrow Kroll

Posted on 01/16/2007 8:00:22 AM PST by cowboyfan88

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1 posted on 01/16/2007 8:00:24 AM PST by cowboyfan88
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To: cowboyfan88; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

PING TO THE TRUTH HURTS!


2 posted on 01/16/2007 8:07:50 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: cowboyfan88
My ex-pastor was a big pusher of homosexual marriage (she was in the closet, but wasn't fooling anyone). In addition, she openly said that you don't have to believe things in the Bible if they don't "feel right" to you. Just take the parts that you like, ignore the parts that make you feel icky, and get ready to go to heaven.

Her biggest theological issue seemed to be: "Do pets go to heaven?" Her answer was "Absolutely yes!" because heaven wouldn't be fun without dogs and kitties.

I'm currently searching for a new church (of course).

3 posted on 01/16/2007 8:14:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm currently searching for a new church (of course).

Finding one that does not have female leaders would be a good first step.
4 posted on 01/16/2007 8:16:15 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: cowboyfan88
Now if Churches get off the fad driven band wagon and every program and seminars that the wind drives in and get back to good old bible teaching, the church in America will be in better shape.
The church in places like Africa and Asia are putting the church of America to shame.
5 posted on 01/16/2007 8:18:36 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: jkl1122
I'm Protestant, and have no theological problem with women pastors. However, I have had experience with 6 female pastors (various denominations) and they all been disasters.

A female pastor is currently a definite deal-killer in my quest for a new church.

6 posted on 01/16/2007 8:19:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: cowboyfan88
The problem with holding a "biblical worldview" is one of defining the Christian's role within that worldview.

Is the church meant to change the world? Those of us approaching this from the POV of Postmillennialism and the Reformation would say yes, the blood of Christ is capable of redeeming everything affected by the Fall, flowing outward from the repentant/obedient soul, compounded by the number of repentant/obedient souls, effecting a progressive change in culture and politics and art and everything produced by man. In fact, some believe that the Bible gives us guidelines in how to behave, as redeemed individuals, in each of these areas. Can a man repent of his old behavior, unless he has a new set of behaviors to substitute for them? And what should he expect from those new behaviors?

Many (but not all) approaching this from other POVs, especially Scofield-flavored Dispensational Premillennialism would say no, leave the culture alone. The culture will not (cannot?) be redeemed by anything - including a wholesale repentance and conversion of the population - other than the physical return of Christ. "You don't polish the brass on a sinking ship!" said evangelist Dwight L. Moody. If your theology teaches that Christians shouldn't "polish the brass on a sinking ship", you will probably discount or avoid altogether other ship-related disciplines as hull & sail repair, mastering sea-sickness, and simple navigation. Which is all fine and good, if you don't expect anyone to have an impact beyond making more converts, who themselves have no impact beyond making more converts, and so on.

In short, can we expect Christians to have a "biblical worldview", if we simultaneously tell them that they won't be having any lasting impact on that world anyway?

7 posted on 01/16/2007 8:20:50 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: alpha-8-25-02

No matter what denomination your church is it is very important that it have a good religious education program based on Scripture. It should be available from K- Highschool and include adult classes. It should be emphasized that a parents responsibility for their child's religious education does not begin and end with Sunday church attendance.

The enemy has many tools. We can not afford to hand him even more.


8 posted on 01/16/2007 8:23:51 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm Protestant, and have no theological problem with women pastors

Then you are at odds with Scripture.
9 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:34 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
Finding one that does not have female leaders would be a good first step.

Nope. The woman he referred to didn't have wacky ideas because she's female. Women as equally as capable of studying and believing the Bible as men. :-)

10 posted on 01/16/2007 8:31:13 AM PST by alnick
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Alex, I think you make some good points. I have done a lot of reading in the post-millennial community of late, and have enjoyed it. I am not fully committed to this point of view yet, but I do understand the inherent problems with complaining about the lack of a Biblical worldview whilst telling the congregation that it will make no difference anyway.


11 posted on 01/16/2007 8:33:11 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: alnick

I agree that her ideas are not based on her being a woman. I never said that women are unable to study and believe the Bible. However, according to Scripture, they are not to be in positions of authority over men in the church.


12 posted on 01/16/2007 8:38:02 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't get to involved in arguments or any doctrines in whether animals go to heaven or not.... I just believe that if God created animals for a reason, then, he has a place for them in his plan.
I don't know were the scripture is in the Bible, but, I do know the Bible says that God considers the welfare of humans and the beast ( animals ).
Another thing people get confused about is, Heaven, and the Kingdom of God are the same thing, and when Jesus came, he said that the Kingdom of God was near, so in reality, the Kingdom of God is here and now, if you are in Christ, and Heaven/Kingdom of God is both a geographical place and a existence.
Heaven, and the Kingdom of God is were God is at, or in other words, as long as your in Christ, you are in Heaven NOW, or in the Kingdom of God NOW.
Yes, there will be animals in Christ's rein in his kingdom when Christ comes back in a fleshly body back to Earth.
Remember this ? the penalty of sin and judgment of sin was put on man, but, all creation suffers from the curse and consciences of sin.
Animals are totally innocent of the penalty of sin, but, not saved from the effects of sin has bought on Creation, i.e. death, disease, cruelty.
13 posted on 01/16/2007 8:53:57 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: alpha-8-25-02; cowboyfan88
Fifty percent of born again Christians contend that a person can earn salvation based upon good works

The religion of the natural man.

14 posted on 01/16/2007 8:54:13 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Alex Murphy
Alex,

Scofield-flavored Dispensational Premillennialism would say no, leave the culture alone. The culture will not (cannot?) be redeemed by anything - including a wholesale repentance and conversion of the population - other than the physical return of Christ.

I am one of those, and I think, for me, you have mischaracterized our position. What you have stated does not at all represent our perspective.

But, let's not get into this...the author's point is much broader than that - a biblical worldview sees the entire world, economics, history, ethics, family, community - you name it, from a biblical perspective. In other words, how does God see it. It is not just evangelism, it is a biblical perspective on my job, my recreation, my friendships...everything I do, from God's perspective, and how can I do what I do to His glory.

15 posted on 01/16/2007 9:02:22 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: jkl1122

No, they are not.


16 posted on 01/16/2007 9:09:35 AM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

Please provide Scriptural support for women taking positions of authority over men in the church.


17 posted on 01/16/2007 9:11:56 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: LiteKeeper
But, let's not get into this...

Thanks. Wasn't trying to start an argument, just pointing out that IMO different starting points will produce different results.

...the author's point is much broader than that - a biblical worldview sees the entire world, economics, history, ethics, family, community - you name it, from a biblical perspective. In other words, how does God see it. It is not just evangelism, it is a biblical perspective on my job, my recreation, my friendships...everything I do, from God's perspective, and how can I do what I do to His glory.

I agree entirely. My intention here is to point out that not everyone holds to the same "biblical perspective", thus they don't agree with certain behaviors or beliefs that contradict that perspective, and thus they believe that others don't have a perspective at all.

Case in point: I'm a postmil. I don't believe we're in the last generation, nor do I believe that subcutaneous banking chips/barcodes on the hands/social security numbers etc are necc. evil and should be stopped at all costs (I may object to them on other biblical grounds, but not on the basis of premil interpretations of prophecy). And I guarantee that statement will be enough for some to brand my own "Biblical worldview" as being misled (at best), if not openly satanic and antisemitic (at worst).

All I'm saying is that there's no consensus among Christians (Protestants, Evangelicals, Catholics, and Orthodox) about what that worldview looks like or what it's demands are. To suggest that Christians should hold to a certain worldview is to assume that they already hold to a certain understanding of the Bible.

I happen to think my "biblical worldview" is the correct one (I'm sure some will emphatically disagree with me), but we all think that about our own views. And naturally, I think/hope that others should share my views, thus I make efforts great and small to persuade them to change their minds. Why would I (or anyone) hold a view that we simultaneously think is incorrect or deficient? Why would I (or anyone) change our minds, unless we discover otherwise?

18 posted on 01/16/2007 9:31:28 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: cowboyfan88

Translation:

Only 9% agree with Barna and his wordings.


19 posted on 01/16/2007 9:32:51 AM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If you're checking out new churches anyway, you may give an Orthodox church a try some Sunday.

http://www.scoba.us/directory/


20 posted on 01/16/2007 9:33:53 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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