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To: eleni121

You wrote:

"No need to be so caustic Vlad."

I also saw no need to be caustic so I wasn't.

"I read enough to know that he was baptized an Orthodox Christian and circuitously became a Catholic."

Circuitously? He was baptized Orthodox, raised as nothing in particular, saw his mother's conversion and reconciled. Circuitous? Sounds pretty straight forward.

"fine and dandy. Far better than decaying in the life atheism or rationalism."

True.

"But in saying the following - his ignorance of Orthodox Christianity clearly makes it appearance:“Although I was born a member of the Greek Orthodox Church, and although all my male relatives were either Greeks or Protestants, yet did I resolve that religion only which, upon impartial inquiry, should appear to be the pure religion of Jesus Christ. My choice fell upon the Catholic Church.”"

Recognizing the truth of the Catholic faith does not logically imply an ignorance of the Orthodox faith or any other. That would be an illogical inference to say the least.

"Politically motivated decision. You cannot disprove it."

By logic I don't see why I can't disprove it within the bounds of common reasoning:

1) Political decisions are about achieving power and success within the political realm or perhaps the greater structural society. Gallitzin's reconciliation brought him no political office, no political clout, lost him his money with which he might have gotten political power, denied him political standing as a prince (since he had to renounce such things), etc.

2) You have provided exactly zero reasons for why this would be a "political" conversion.

3) You have provided exactly zero scraps of evidence that this was a "political" conversion.

ALL THE EVIDENCE IS ON MY SIDE and none is on your side. None at all.

"And there is no need to. It's happened many times but sainthood for a political decision seems a bit over the top."

Again, did you read the article? No one is canonized for converting. NO ONE in history has ever been canonized for converting or reconciling to the Catholic faith. Men are canonized because of their recognized holiness. Gallitzin was recognized as holy even in his day. Ever read a biography of Gallitzin? http://www.demetriusgallitzin.org/Apostle%20of%20the%20Alleghenies.htm If you did you would discover that Fr. Gallitzin was famous and beloved for his ceaseless work on behalf of his flock spread over a huge part of Pennsylvania. He spent his entire fortune on his flock. Tirelessly spreading the gospel by travel, preaching and spending your entire fortune is not exactly a good way to get political power as a humble traveling priest!

There's a reason why he's called "the Apostle of the Alleghenies." It's not because of his conversion. It's because of his holiness in spreading and living out the gospel.


6 posted on 03/10/2007 8:53:06 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
ALL THE EVIDENCE IS ON MY SIDE and none is on your side. None at all.


Take your "humility" and stuff it Vlad. My point stands: he made a political decision regarding his faith. Politically inclined men of the cloth should not be rewarded with sainthood.

Think about this: one does not convert from Christian to Christian. Unless of course we have political motivations guiding our actions.
10 posted on 03/11/2007 8:49:27 AM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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