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Pope ignores protests (of certain Cardinals) to restore Latin mass
The Australian ^ | March 12, 2007

Posted on 3/12/2007, 12:52:37 PM by NYer

POPE Benedict XVI plans to bring back the celebration of mass in Latin, overriding a rare show of protest from senior cardinals.

With a papal decree said to be imminent, Catholic publishers in Rome are preparing new editions of the Latin missal.

They have sent proofs to Vatican authorities for approval, the Rome newspaper La Repubblica has reported.

Vatican sources said Benedict, who is fluent in Latin, is considering the publication of a papal motu proprio (literally, on his own initiative), which does not require the approval of church bodies.

This would enable Benedict to ignore opposition from several cardinals.

The decree would declare the Latin, or Tridentine, mass an "extraordinary universal rite", and the vernacular mass, with which most Catholics are familiar, an "ordinary universal rite".

The late French archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was excommunicated for opposing changes in the church agreed by the Second Vatican Council in the early 1960s, including the replacement of the Tridentine mass with updated liturgy in local languages.

The Pope's proposal will be cheered by Lefebvre's traditionalist followers.

A special Vatican commission, appointed to examine the demands of traditionalists, met in December to help draft the decree. Today, celebration of the Tridentine rite is limited. Bishops can allow it, but only on the condition that the celebration is deemed a sign of "affection for the ancient tradition" and not a criticism of the reforms.

Benedict wrote in his memoirs, My Life: Memories 1927-1977, published when he was still a cardinal: "I was stunned by the ban on the ancient missal."

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1 posted on 3/12/2007, 12:52:38 PM by NYer
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2 posted on 3/12/2007, 12:55:49 PM by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

May God continue to Bless our Pope!


3 posted on 3/12/2007, 12:59:27 PM by TheStickman
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To: visualops

Latin Mass ping to ya


4 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:00:13 PM by TheStickman
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To: NYer
The decree would declare the Latin, or Tridentine, mass an "extraordinary universal rite",

"Extraordinary" as in "extraordinary minister of Holy Communion" -- who show up at every Mass? ;-)

It would be interesting to know which cardinals oppose this.

5 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:11:01 PM by maryz
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To: NYer

The funny thing is, I don't hear ANYONE screaming to bring back the old BREVIARIUM ROMANUM with its Three-Nocturned Matins, Prime and the beefed-up Little Hours, and 150 Psalms spread out during the week.

Although with extraordinary ministers doing almost all the communion calls around this town and the schools closed down, you'd think the priests who are left would have plenty of time to go back to the old Office.

Of course, during the Council, Francis Cardinal Spellman lobbied passionately for the retention of Latin in the Mass but in favor of the Breviary in the vernacular (he had even sponsored what he thought would become the priest's Breviary of the future, the famous Nelson translation in four volumes which sells for in the hundreds on eBay although it's a horrible translation with the rubrics in BLACK) . . .

This led an Italian bishop to exclaim, "Questi Americani! Now they want the people to pray in Latin and the priest to pray in English!"

But almost everyone seems content with what one wag calls "The Little Office of Vatican II"!


6 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:16:43 PM by TaxachusettsMan
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To: NYer
All your base are belong to us

Very subtle; very clever. Also, who are these 7 cardinals?

7 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:20:17 PM by Oratam
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To: NYer
With a papal decree said to be imminent ...

Snoooooooooze ...

I saw this movie.

8 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:20:50 PM by Tax-chick (Free Republic, "Where a few remnant curios bite.")
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To: NYer
Is this the universal indult that some are talking about? Or would it be just more approval for the Latin mass?
9 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:22:30 PM by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: maryz
It would be interesting to know which cardinals oppose this.

all the usual suspects

10 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:26:14 PM by Nihil Obstat (God bless)
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To: maryz
It would be interesting to know which cardinals oppose this.

Thankfully it only takes one bishop to support it (in order for it to be promulgated) and he is the Bishop of Rome.

11 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:37:02 PM by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: NYer
The late French archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was excommunicated for opposing changes in the church agreed by the Second Vatican Council

This source seems to have a Lefebvrist bias. The late archbishop was excommunicated for illicitly ordaining bishops in violation of a direct order from the Pope.

12 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:40:43 PM by Tax-chick (Free Republic, "Where a few remnant curios bite.")
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To: NYer

Hard to keep count of the errors and half-truhs in this article.


13 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:41:19 PM by Romulus (Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo.)
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"Lefebvre's traditionalist followers"

Who are in fact schismatics who separated themselves from the Roman church.


14 posted on 3/12/2007, 1:50:57 PM by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: NYer

LOL!


15 posted on 3/12/2007, 2:05:00 PM by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Romulus

Hopes dashed again. damn, just damn.


16 posted on 3/12/2007, 2:40:34 PM by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: kawaii

"Who are in fact schismatics who separated themselves from the Roman church."

Ummm...looks to me more like they separated themselves from the Church's modernist attackers.

They will soon be regularized, and where will that leave all those who have spent decades calumniating them?


17 posted on 3/12/2007, 3:30:19 PM by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: TaxachusettsMan
I don't hear ANYONE screaming to bring back the old BREVIARIUM ROMANUM

Maybe that is because the laity, not being required under pain of mortal sin to pray the Divine Office let alone a specific Divine Office, can use any version of the breviary that they like. The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) publishes their own two-volume Roman Breviary in Latin.

Baronius Press is in the process of publishing a three volume English/Latin edition of the 1961 Breviarium Romanum. I know of many Catholics who are eagerly awaiting its publication. One doesn't have to pray the hours of the Office at specific times. So, one doesn't have to get up in the middle of the night to pray Matins.

Although with extraordinary ministers doing almost all the communion calls around this town and the schools closed down, you'd think the priests who are left would have plenty of time to go back to the old Office.

I get the impression that many priests don't pray the Office at all. Having said that, I know of at least two diocesan priests who pray the Divine Office in Latin (one definitely uses the 1961 Breviary the other uses that edition and the Liturgy of the Hours).

18 posted on 3/12/2007, 3:41:47 PM by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: TaxachusettsMan

One nice thing about the old breviary, though, is that it is all in one book and not four, like the new one.


19 posted on 3/12/2007, 3:46:24 PM by Unam Sanctam
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To: TaxachusettsMan

You might be interested to know that Baroniuspress.com is bringback the three volume Latin-English Breviary published by Liturgical Press in the early 1960's. This time the correct psalter, the Vulgate and NOT the Pius XII psalter, will be used.

It won't be cheap, but if it is produced by Baronius Press it should be a beautiful book.


20 posted on 3/12/2007, 3:49:14 PM by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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