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Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer
ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.
In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.
According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.
One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."
Russia's motives
In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.
"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.
"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.
"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."
That should read:
Now, instead of dodging, please tell us what your church and its leaders did to save the Jews?
The Nazi-inspired 'German Christian' movement
There was no comparable perversion of Christianity in the Catholic Church in Germany; the bishops wouldn't permit it.
Your mind is obviously totally closed on this subject so this is not an attempt to bring light to your own tortured universe. Rather, it's for the benefit of any lurkers who may be taken in by this swill. This is Cornwell's hypothesis as published in his book "Hitler's Pope".
The Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich was concluded in July 1933, while Hilter was appointed Chancellor in January 1933. January 30, to be exact. This completed his rise to power which had been occurring for some considerable time previously.
It was no coincidence that Hitler's appointment preceded the Concordat for the Vatican foresaw possible difficulties ahead and wished to secure the rights of Catholics to freely practice their religion. A practice which continues to this day, for the Vatican attempts, as far as is possible, to maintain cordial relations with all countries for precisely this purpose.
Intemperate outbursts like yours really only serve to spend any capital you may have regarding credibility and good sense.
The media only goes after these Pope claims to cover up the ideaologies that truly promoted and enabled Hitler;Darwinism and Islam.
Actually if you’d bother to read I was defending the Pope...
Brother, would you mind rephrasing #24. I’ve read it several times, and I’m really not sure what it means.
On the other hand, evading a counter-argument by other means - such as filing abuse reports (which didn't happen here) asking for counter-arguments to be removed - or by starting a new, clean thread to prosecute the very same argument also can incite flame wars or cause resentments.
So please pick a thread and make your case and then leave it alone unless a third party brings it up again. That way everyone has clean hands.
Post clarified: The Pope had nothing to do with Hitler’s rise to power nor the actions of the Nazis. The media loves to harp on these aledged connections so as to distract from the fact that Hitler got most of his ideas from Darwinism, and collaborated extensively with Muslims to advance his goals. Thus they invent connections with the Vatican so as to distract from the true associations between Nazism and the media darlings; Islam and Darwinism.
My post on this thread had nothing to do with posts on any other threads. It’s not realated at all, and I’m hardly following anybody.
Thank you, sir. Well said.
Part of the reason this forum exists is the MSM’s allergy to the truth.
On the other hand, evading a counter-argument by other means - such as filing abuse reports (which didn't happen here) asking for counter-arguments to be removed - or by starting a new, clean thread to prosecute the very same argument also can incite flame wars or cause resentments.
Good and wise advice. Please knock me over the head with this (again), should I ever need it.
No --- he was tenuously in power at that time and in dire need of a Concordat to keep him there. And Pacelli's Vatican was only too willing to oblige by making their deal with the devil that guaranteed great financial benefits for the Vatican's prelates. And they enjoyed those benefits throughout the war without interruption.
Pacelli's Vatican was willing to secure the devil in power as long as it feathered their own nests at the same time. And this is Christianity to you???? Is this what you think that Christianity is all about???
Does your "Christianity" support slandering an innocent man?
Obviously your "Catholicism" is unable to discern the difference between innocence and guilt. How many Nazi war criminals escaped to South America through Pius XII's Vatican?
Did Pius XII ever either during the war or afterwards excommunicate those monsigneurs, cardinals, archbishops, priests who were collaborating with the Nazis? or did he reward them with a promotions for their service during the war, like Aloysius Stepinac, the Archbishop of the Ustasha, to whom he gave a cardinals hat after his long service to the Ustasha?
How far are you willing to go to try to resurrect his reputation?
The Concordat was signed in July of 1933. That is after Hitler's appointment by Hindenburg (1/30/33), after the Reichstag Fire (2/27/33), and after the Ermächtigungsgesetz (enabling legislation) that gave Hitler dictatorial powers. Hitler had also already arrested opposition delegates. And Britain, France and Italy had already agreed to the Four-Power Pact with Germany in June.
That is not "tenuously in power".
Moreover, the concordat guaranteed freedom of religion to Catholics in Germany, including the Nazis not shutting down the parochial schools, in exchange for an agreement that Catholic clergy would refrain from politics and the dissolution of a Catholic political party. The so-called "great financial benefits"? -- the right to keep collecting the church tithes. Wow.
Of course the Nazis violated it almost before the ink was dry.
It sent soldiers to fight against the Third Reich, not blessings to its prelates who collaborated with it. It sought justice for Nazi war criminals rather than helping them to escape from justice into South America through Pius XII's Vatican Rat Lines.
That's false.
Regarding your tagline:
TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.
And you can't FIND it.
That sounds like what the government did. I was asking about the specific action of your specific church and its specific church leaders. What did they do? Or is the government your church?
The Concordat didn’t bring Hitler to power.
And that guarantee was at whose expense??? At the expense of other people's religion, their freedom and their lives??? Your prelates were willing to sell others down the pike so that they could continue on unmolested??? And you think that God was pleased with this sell-out???
Can you explain ‘just war’ and justice from a New Testament standpoint with footnotes please?
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