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Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer
ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.
In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.
According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.
One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."
Russia's motives
In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.
"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.
"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.
"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."
By July 1933, all other political parties in Germany had been banned and the Enabling Act (the Ermächtigungsgesetz) had been approved by the rump Reichstag, giving Hitler dictatorial powers.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
The devil Corporal already held all the power...all that remained was the death of Hindenberg, and the Gleischaltung. Indeed, by July 1933 the brownshirts had been deputized as law enforcement officers.
And running rat lines for Nazi war criminals: Was that the calling of the Roman Catholic Church or just a special dispensation in Pius XII’s Vatican?
Your understanding of the period is demonstrably deficient (to be polite). You have no credibility on this topic.
One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."
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It makes perfect sense.
The signing of the Concordat was a mere formality of a deal that had been made earlier. But you know that.
No one.
At the expense of other people's religion, their freedom and their lives???
No.
Your prelates were willing to sell others down the pike so that they could continue on unmolested???
No.
And you think that God was pleased with this sell-out???
There was no sell out.
Oh, and Pius XII saved 860,000 Jews from the Holocaust.
It did not bring Hitler to power, but you knew that.
Can you post a list of websites that document the atrocities of the Vatican-supported Ustasha against the Serbs during World War II, and then I'll get busy on it.
You suggested that there was a plan to bring some people to justice, do you care to back up that claim with scripture, or are you fine to abandon Christianity for this thread?
Von Papen had no discussions with the Vatican until April 1933, again, after the Enabling Act.
btw I’d suggest you look at the Ustasha-Islam connection.
The Concordat was at nobody else's expense, it applied only to Catholics, who were being persecuted. The Church was trying to save its own members. Other Churches tried to save their own members -- by far more unpalatable methods such as joining the German National Church and putting Hitler's picture in the sanctuary. I suppose one might argue that the Catholics by dealing with Hitler at all gave him some measure of credibility -- but Britain, France, and Italy had already done that.
Was your denomination in Germany? If so, what were they doing to oppose Hitler (and no fair weaseling by saying that American members of your denomination eventually wound up over there fighting after 1942. So did my Dad.)
That you can't provide an answer says it all.
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But only if they converted to Catholicism, right? And just how many Orthodox Serbs did he save from his own archbishop's Ustasha?
He asked about your church, not your country, unless you're prepared to tell us that your church had its own army.
Falsely accusing others, and then being evasive when a direct question is asked of you, isn't very becoming Christian behavior.
I answered yours. Did you answer mine????
Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
v.Papen didn't even start negotiations on a concordat until April. He was sent by Hitler pursuant to his dictatorial powers under the enabling legislation.
Sorry, but that's not true.
Is the commandment against bearing false witness missing from your Bible?
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