Posted on 04/13/2007 5:58:38 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
He drove past me once on the feast of the Assumption in Rome, but I missed most of it, as no one knew it was coming.
I think that the TOE(of DNA) is(or has become) an assault on "spirit" generally and MY spirit and the Holy Spirit specifically.. And that ALL life on this planet are DNA-o-saurs and that "life"(all life) is and was not given with a BREATH from Gods(Spirit)..
BUT HAPPENED some other way.. That life came about in some other way.. Life from NoN life..
AND THAT- life is NOT spirit BUT flesh.. <<- I reject that..
I reject that too, 'pipe! To my way of thinking, flesh is "the donkey" that bears Spirit ("the rider") during the mortal phase of Life, or what we call "existence," which refers specifically to life experience within space and time. But what we mean by Life is not exhausted by considerations of bodily nature in space and time; for the Spirit reflected in and through the soul is eternal: This is what we mean by Life. It is both prior to and posterior to physical incarnation.
And more: We are not truly "alive" or truly human unless we experience our existence as a participation in the divine Life....
Well, FWIW. My Platonic roots are showing here. But the Gospel of John basically says the same thing: He speaks of the helkein, of the "drawing" into mutual participation of the human soul by God, just as Plato did. Indeed, John puts the insight into Jesus' speech directly....
Phases of LIFE.. exposes TOE(of DNA) as myoptic..
Evolution by blind chance would go out the window in that view.
Some would favor Intelligent Design, other would favor Young Earth Creationism. Still others would say God created an old looking universe some 6,000 years ago (Gosse Omphalus hypothesis.)
IMHO, theistic evolution and/or the idea the God created the initial conditions and then walked away from it --- would be among the least favored by Protestants.
INDEED. AMEN.
AMEN! WELL PUT, imho.
Thx.
Ping.
Wow! Talk about getting your facts wrong. Father Coyne retired because he was diagnosed with colon cancer (he's also 73 years old, so he would have good reason to retire even if he weren't sick). Either this journalist is incompetent or a liar.
At this pace, we should be back to an uncompromising exegesis of Bereishis by 2207.
That's about par for the course - it's much easier to destroy than to rebuild.
The Curia may accept a resignation on the Pope's behalf, of course.
But the Supreme Pontiff is hardly Donald Trump.
I point out the hypocrisy of invoking uniformitarianism with regard to Genesis but rejecting it elsewhere. I point out the inconsistency of bowing to "science" in one area while dogmatically refusing to listen to it an another. I point out the illogic of expecting the world to come into existence in a way governed by natural laws that were not even fully created until the creation process was complete, not to mention the idea of G-d using a naturalistic, uniformitarian method to create a paradise of immortal humans and talking snakes. All I get are cackles of amusement that imply "oh well, you can't help it, you're one of those simple-minded rednecks." And the thing that really gets me is that the atheists who consistently reject any and all miracles seem to treat these hypocrites with greater respect than they do us honest and internally consistent creationists.
There are still a very few Catholic creationists here at FR. But there isn't a single solitary Eastern Orthodox creationist here, and considering the Alice-in-Wonderland things they believe in other matters that is very hard to stomach. Oh well. So the Orthodox now believe that "Adam and Eve" (who never really existed despite being Orthodox saints) were created mortal and there never was a paradise of any kind. Oh yeah. That's unchanged, unaltered, ancient doctrine of the fathers all right. And I'm a mere rationalist modern under the influence of modern positivism.
Let 'em go. There's no need even trying to converse with these people.
That being said, the words He wrote are true. They are facts, and things happened precisely as He describes them. He was the witness and the actor. He was there.
Once we start trying to scientifically "explain" Scripture, the thread is lost.
Biological science needs to make a Scriptural account of itself.
Scripture does not need to make a bioscientific account of itself.
St. Thomas Aquinas' take is right, as usual.
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