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Cardinals, Bishops, Theologians and Lay Apologists Speak-up for Marian Coredemption
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Posted on 05/16/2007 1:51:59 PM PDT by Friar Roderic Mary

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To: Friar Roderic Mary; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
Kosta, just wanted mention that we don’t call either Tertullian or Origen saints

Well, they are not Church fathers either!

I think Tertullian denied the virgin birth ?? or was that the perpetual virginity.

Perpetual virginity for sure. I don't think he denied virgin birth (that's scriputral).

I enjoy your posts too. Have a blessed Sunday all of you.

181 posted on 05/19/2007 7:33:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Kolokotronis
Ave Maria!

Yes, that is our opening and closing line. So to speak. we greet everyone and say goodbye and answer the phone with an “Ave Maria!” I’m glad you like it. It is part of general goal of spiritual renewal in the Church and in the world through Mary, honoring her and making her better known.

As for the line you gave me, I am afraid I am completely unable to appreciate it without a translation. I am an ignorant American.

By the way, I have been very impressed with your knowledge of Greek. If you’ve noticed, whenever you start bringing up Greek I dodge to a more logical/historical tact since I am completely at a loss when I see anything but Latin letters. And even these I have trouble with.

But I am dying to know what that text of your’s means.

Ave Maria!

182 posted on 05/19/2007 7:49:34 PM PDT by Friar Roderic Mary
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To: ELS

“While there are Catholic churches that seem to have an identity crisis, even those built in the US before, say, 1960 have statues, stained glass windows and beautiful high altars. Try entering the older churches that have been around 50+ years and you will very likely come to a different conclusion.”

Sadly, around here the high altars were removed and all the statues stored somewhere. The stained glass is still in most of the older churches though.

Kosta, the level of sincere Marian devotion prior to say, 1965 in the Latin Church was very, very high; as high as ours, I’d say. And it was a whole family thing. Catholic families got together at least once a week and prayed the rosary together. It was even played on the radio and people really did listen to it. My family listened to it! All the children were taught about their Blessed Mother. In my town there were great processions in May and October with her statue carried all over the place with the priests and thurifers and altarboys and choirboys and all the children dressed up in their best. Regular prayer cycles called novenas were always being done. It was a very different world back then, Kosta, for the Latins; rather like the end days of an Age of Faith, or so it seems when I look back on it. Vatican II changed everything and in some areas, not for the better.


183 posted on 05/19/2007 7:51:58 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: ELS; fr maximilian mary
kosta, I'm reasonably sure that Father did not write an exhaustive list of where Marian veneration exists in the Western tradition

I didn't imply that he did. I simply stated that the mention of the BEVM is more powerful in the litugical life then in hymns and devotionals. The liturgy is the life of the Church. Through it we learn how the Church lives. In time we begin to live the same life. If BEVM is alive in the liturgy, she will be alive in the congregation.

FYI, she is quite present in the traditional liturgy

In the traditional lituregy, yes, but how many people attend traditional liturgy nowadays? the NO liturgy mentiones her four times (two of those times are silent).

Did you not notice Father's mention of a votive Mass in honor of our Our Lady's Immaculate Heart? or did that get in the way of your polemic?

It's not a polemic. How often do you have voitve Mass in her honor? How many people attend? He is talking about lack of devotion to the BEV Mother and all I said whose fault is that? You don't need new dogmas, or new masses, the Catholic Church has all she needs and all that she defined. To imply otherwise is to say that the Church is somehow deficient.

Is there not the fullness of faith in the Church? If so, then our problems come not from what the Church knows, but what we do with that knowledge.

While there are Catholic churches that seem to have an identity crisis, even those built in the US before, say, 1960 have statues, stained glass windows and beautiful high altars. Try entering the older churches that have been around 50+ years and you will very likely come to a different conclusion,/i>

I was taling about post Vatican-II churches, ELS.

184 posted on 05/19/2007 7:52:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

meant to ping you to 183. Sorry.


185 posted on 05/19/2007 7:53:00 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Friar Roderic Mary
Χαῖρε͵ νύμφη ἀνύμφευτε!

Show off! :)

186 posted on 05/19/2007 7:55:31 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary

“By the way, I have been very impressed with your knowledge of Greek.”

Don’t be. 3 year olds in Greece have no problem at all with it! :)

“But I am dying to know what that text of your’s means.”

It is from the Akathist; its the “refrain” if you will. It means “Hail, O Bride Unwedded!”


187 posted on 05/19/2007 7:58:53 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; ELS
Kosta, the level of sincere Marian devotion prior to say, 1965 in the Latin Church was very, very high; as high as ours, I’d say

I don't doubt that a bit. I have watched many a Tridentine Mass on Youtube which brought back my childhood memories (MY paternal grandmother was Roman Catholic and she would take me to Mass with her). I believe I was talking about post-Vatican II churches. If I didn't communicate it correctly then i stand corrected.

188 posted on 05/19/2007 8:00:07 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
"Χαῖρε͵ νύμφη ἀνύμφευτε! Show off! :)" Ελλα, βραι παιδακι μου! :)
189 posted on 05/19/2007 8:01:42 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: kosta50
""Χαῖρε͵ νύμφη ἀνύμφευτε! Show off! :)" Ελλα, βραι παιδακι μου! :)"

Well that wasn't formatted very well was it?!

""Χαῖρε͵ νύμφη ἀνύμφευτε!

Show off! :)"

Ελλα, βραι παιδακι μου! :)

That's better!

190 posted on 05/19/2007 8:04:25 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: stfassisi
Dear stfassisi, I was not offended. Surprised maybe as to what prompted a warning, a word too harsh and unfitting with respect to what I posted. So, in trying to make myself understood, I believe I used harsh tone in my reply and for that I aplogize.

The link you provide is a dead link. Apparently it requires a password.

spent a few years diligently working to help others recognize the dangers of the NA movement that mostly affected the protestant communities rather then the Catholic/Orthodox Churches,/i>

That's because the Protestants have nothing to fall back on and because their approach encourages "searching" if not shopping. Protestantism is more open to syncretism, and relativism; in fact, I would say relativism is its very foundation.

Truth be told.... It was my work on the NA movement that lead me to Historical Christianity and the Early Church Fathers that lead me back to coming back into Catholic Church

Consider yourself blessed! :)

191 posted on 05/19/2007 8:10:58 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

“”The link you provide is a dead link. Apparently it requires a password.””

Please forgive the long post.
Here is what the link I provided says....

Three American Sophomores: the Restlessness of Thomas Merton, J. D. Salinger & Jack Kerouac
A monk, a Hindu, and a beatnik. One preached orthodox Christianity, one brought Hinduism to America’s youth through the back door, and another testified to the religious joys of sex and drugs. Three young writers and their bestsellers—Thomas Merton (The Seven Storey Mountain, 1948), J. D. Salinger (The Catcher in the Rye, 1951), and Jack Kerouac (On the Road, 1957)—captured postwar America’s attention and helped shape the youth movements of the 1960s.

These men’s lives and greatest work seem to contrast with each other, but they stand together because they all preached the possibility of a better life, a life higher than the automaton-existence droned into people by the increasing mass-market consumerism of America after World War II. Specifically, they talked about the possibility of a life marked by the religious virtue of detachment. And for that reason they stand together as three American “wise men.” But because all three of them, to varying degrees, got the message wrong, they ended up contributing to the unrest that erupted in the 1960s. And for this reason they stand together as three foolish American “wise men.”

The Seven Storey Merton

Thomas Merton first spoke to postwar America in The Seven Storey Mountain, his autobiography. Commencing with the spiritual sense instilled in him by the aestheticism of his artistic parents, he describes his unstable childhood, his wild teenage and young adult years, and his intellectual and writing pursuits at Ivy League Columbia. He explains how he emerged from this background to embrace mature spiritual growth and how it culminated in his conversion to Catholicism in his early twenties and his entrance into a Trappist Monastery in Gethsemani, Kentucky, a few years later. There, he wrote the book of his life, a celebration of Catholic spirituality, that would become The Seven Storey Mountain.

The book was hugely successful. The first hardcover edition sold 600,000 copies. At times in 1948, an unprecedented 10,000 orders came in a day.1

It sold for good reason. Merton, with kindness and sincerity, convincingly cut against the conventional thinking of the late 1940s and 1950s. His vow of poverty contrasted with the money-making desire that marked America’s booming free-market economy; the same-cloaked anonymity of the monks clashed with rugged America’s proud individualism; his monastery wall blocked out the fame celebrated in increasingly influential Hollywood; the still ways of the silence-loving Trappists muted the blaring jazz that was shaking the land.

In short, Merton’s book preached detachment—”the number one rule of religion”—from the world and its passions. Merton’s path to the monastery rejected and questioned the materialist pursuits that were bearing such a bountiful earthly harvest in the post-World War II era. Merton struck a chord with America that sang, “There is more to life than a house in the suburbs and a new car.”

Salinger Catches On

Three years after publication of The Seven Storey Mountain, J. D. Salinger spoke to America in The Catcher in the Rye, a book narrating events in the life of a restless youngster named Holden Caulfield, written by Holden from a psychiatric institution. This odd book is simply a descriptive parade of little things that occurred in two rebellious days of Holden’s teenage life and Holden’s odd opinions about them. On every page, Holden describes something that depresses him, disgusts him, bores him, or “kills” (i.e., amuses) him. He disdains the ballyhooed elite prep school he attends; he thinks little of money (repeatedly forgetting to take his change with him after paying for something); he is nauseated by the forms of entertainment that most people find enjoyable.

The book became a number-one bestseller, and Salinger became the voice of the restless young that was beginning to rumble in the mid-1950s (rumblings evidenced by the beloved movie personas of Marlon Brando and James Dean, personas that led editorialists to write about the coming “youthquake”). Significantly, the teenage revolution that started in 1954 gained speed at the same time The Catcher in the Rye gained momentum. By 1956, The Catcher was selling better than it did during its first year of publication, and Holden Caulfield’s attitude was becoming the guidebook for America’s restless youth: “On American campuses Salinger’s five-year-old novel had suddenly become the book all brooding adolescents had to buy, the indispensable manual from which cool styles of disaffection could be borrowed.”2

The Religious Underpinnings of The Catcher

Unlike The Seven Storey Mountain, there was little religion in The Catcher, but its theme coincided with the root of all religious experience: restlessness. Due to our separation from God that occurred in the Garden, all men intuitively sense that they are missing something, that they are radically incomplete.3 Aristotle had this incompleteness in mind when he opened Metaphysics with the statement, “All men by nature desire to know.” Due to our innate ignorance (our incompleteness), we instinctively desire knowledge in the hope that it will quell our sense of uneasiness, anxiety, and restlessness.

Because our radical ignorance is primordially ingrained in our souls, only a religion can properly answer its queries. Knowledge about baseball statistics will not quell the restlessness, nor will professional knowledge about medicine or the law. Only the science of existence—religion—provides the answers. Men, consequently, intuitively turn to religious-like pursuits to find the answers they desperately—existentially—seek.

When people do not receive answers at a time when life grants enough leisure time to permit them to sense their incompleteness, they will seek to quell their sense of restlessness. They will try to find pockets of holiness in the fabric of secular culture. Such was the climate of the 1950s, in a culture that experienced one of the greatest spurts of wealth and leisure in the history of America, but also provided few answers about existence due to the domination of shallow religious practices and thinkers (as evidenced, for instance, by the success of Norman Vincent Peale’s banal and wrongheaded religious message4).

Holden Caulfield’s narrative can be described as one young man’s quiet despair in an increasingly profane and shallow culture. But instead of quite despairing, Holden becomes “disaffected.” Nothing satisfies him; ordinary pleasures are beneath him; he finds his amusements in little things that others don’t even notice. His disaffection becomes clear at the end of the book, when Holden assures himself that he will move out West, work as a menial laborer, and shut himself off from everyone (possibly by posing as a deaf-mute, so people would have to write messages to him on pieces of paper, and then they would, in Holden’s words, “get bored as hell doing that after a while, and then I’d be through with having conversations for the rest of my life”). It’s the dreaming cry of every disaffected person, the fantasy flight in disgust from the everyday world in which the flier is not attached to anything or anyone. This restlessness-turned-to-disaffection was the religious underpinning of The Catcher, a theme that became explicit ten years later in 1961, when Salinger published Franny and Zooey and tried to pawn off Holden’s disaffection as the religious virtue of detachment.

Franny and Zooey and Hindu Detachment

In Franny and Zooey, an attractive coed named Franny Glass is suffering a nervous breakdown. Franny has a deep desire to be an actress, but her profound religious sense is throwing her off the scent. She’s disgusted with the ego and shallowness that saturate the theater. As her breakdown accelerates, she experiments with the Jesus Prayer, impressed with the story told in The Sincere Tales of a Pilgrim to His Spiritual Father, which first appeared in Russia in 1884 and is known to English readers as The Way of a Pilgrim. It tells the story of a Russian peasant who wandered through nineteenth-century Russia with the Jesus Prayer on his lips and in his heart. Franny’s brother, Zooey (Salinger’s sage), objects to her use of the Jesus Prayer, advising, “You can say the Jesus Prayer from now until doomsday, but if you don’t realize that the only thing that counts in the religious life is detachment, I don’t see how you’ll ever even move an inch. Detachment, buddy, and only detachment. Desirelessness. ‘Cessation from all hankerings.’” In these words, Salinger follows through with the religious catalyst of The Catcher and picks up the religious thread in Merton’s The Seven Storey Mountain.

Detachment, as Salinger knew, is a high religious virtue. It’s the pursuit of every monk and the accomplishment of every saint. When a person squelches his self, detachment sets in because he doesn’t know the constant self-concern that causes people to worry about reputation and money, and to grow angry when things don’t go right.

The rightly detached person is also loving. Detachment and love walk hand in hand. Because the detached person does not see things as refracted through a dense self—his ego—he sees things as they really are, and he discovers that all things are wonderfully lovable. This is unavoidable because all things are created by God, the Good and Most Beautiful, who created this earth for our enjoyment. When we see things as they really are, we love them. Then, in turn, as we love, our detachment increases as we find enjoyment in things outside ourselves. For this reason, detachment forms properly only as part and parcel with love. Any other type of detachment is a distorted form, at best an ugly stepsister of true detachment.

Salinger’s detachment was a distorted form that he hatched from the loveless metaphysics of Hinduism, his religion of choice.5 Hinduism teaches that all things are Brahman (the pure, unchangeable, and eternal). Because Brahman is all things, all things are one. The separateness of things that we perceive, then, is merely an illusion (maya) that deludes us and causes us to walk in confusion. We are saved from this deluded existence by recognizing the illusion of things, by ceasing to be distracted by them, and by ceasing to desire to live among them. (Salinger took the world’s illusory character seriously. At one time he contemptuously dismissed a friend’s plan to write a travel book, explaining that the separateness of things is an illusion, so why describe them?6) When we are no longer attracted to these illusions, we are ready for moksha, the absorption into Brahman, the Hindu’s salvation.

Hinduism teaches that, to eliminate our attraction to the illusory things of this world, a person must suffocate his will. The will—the desire to live, to act, to be in this illusory world—keeps us here and prevents us from attaining moksha. As a person suffocates his will, he becomes detached and begins the path to enlightenment. The first step on the road to detached enlightenment is to see the emptiness of the mundane things of everyday existence—the things loved and desired by the multitudes who never look for the higher things in life.

As restlessness grew during the 1950s and early 1960s and the underlying sense of discontent in America grew stronger, Salinger took his Hindu lesson of detachment to a generation of youngsters who sensed that there must be more to life than a home in the suburbs and the latest model car. But even among Hindus, the message of detachment is not considered proper for youngsters. Hinduism traditionally reserves pursuit of detachment to older persons who have first finished their worldly duties.7 By gearing his message to youngsters, Salinger, in imitation of those Catholics who are “more Catholic than the pope,” was more Hindu than a swami.

But more importantly, Salinger’s message lacked love and was triggered by an arrogant disgust with society. As a result, his detachment was nothing more than disaffection, which turned into resentment and then into rebelliousness—all sketched in the character of Holden Caulfield a decade earlier, and all coming together in Salinger’s own quarreling life—a life that he, in a bitter pseudo-suicide, terminated as far as anyone else was concerned over thirty years ago when he became a recluse in Cornish, New Hampshire, where he still lives, ensconced against a world he hates,8 all the while thinking he’s engaged in a high religious pursuit. In Salinger’s literature and life, the loving Russian Pilgrim of the Jesus Prayer becomes nothing more than Holden Caulfield’s deaf-mute—a person engaged in a disgusted flight from everyone and everything.

Kerouac & the Quest for “Kicks”

Detachment took another warped form when Jack Kerouac yelled at America in On the Road, a book based on his real-life meandering. He wrote the book in 1951 and carried the manuscript around with him for years in a rucksack as he journeyed across the nation, until it was finally accepted and published in 1957.

It quickly became a bestseller and brought the beatnik phenomenon onto America’s center stage (Kerouac himself would be written about in major magazines like Life, give numerous interviews, and be a guest on The Steve Allen Show). Fellow beatnik William Burroughs aptly described the sensation surrounding On the Road:

After 1957 On the Road sold a trillion Levis and . . . sent countless kids on the road. This was of course due in part to the media, the arch-opportunists. They know a story when they see one, and the Beat movement was a story, and a big one. . . . The Beat literary movement came at exactly the right time and said something that millions of people . . . were waiting to hear. You can’t tell anybody anything he doesn’t know already. The alienation, the restlessness, the dissatisfaction were already there waiting when Kerouac pointed out the road.
The lifestyle celebrated in On the Road is known as “Beat,” the aimless search for significant experience. The word Beat, according to Catholic-born Kerouac, is a religious word with a relation to the beatific vision.9 Though he never provided a complete or coherent explanation of the term, it is clear from the book’s protagonist, Sal Paradise, who longs for the road, his spasmodic friend Dean Moriarty (the “holy goof”), who zealously searches for “kicks,” and their intense fervor for novelties, that the Beat lifestyle required a religious-like devotion or practice.
To confirm his assertion that he was writing a religious book, Kerouac habitually sprinkled religious terms—like soul, holy, mystic, and immortal—throughout the book to describe the experiences of the road and provided short and grave sermons from the Beat’s high priest, Dean Moriarty (e.g., “‘I want you particularly to see the eyes of this little boy . . . and notice how he will come to manhood with his own particular soul bespeaking itself through the windows which are his eyes, and such lovely eyes surely do prophesy and indicate the loveliest of souls.’”10).

In their roaming, Sal and Dean thoroughly enjoy everything they encounter. They love the cars, the different airs of our country’s regions, and the girls. Many portions of the book relate nothing more than a list of things they see and how they “dig” them far more than any ordinary person would dig them.

Sal’s and Dean’s wanderings are exercises in detachment. The road detaches them from the binding conventionalities of normal society. As a result, they are able to enjoy everything and everyone, even the most disgusting, because they are able, in their unique way, to see God’s stamp of goodness on everything. At one point, for instance, they pick up an “incredibly filthy” hitchhiker at Dean’s insistence. The man is covered with scabs and is reading a muddy paperback he found in a culvert. They sit close to him and dig him the whole time, genuinely getting a kick out of talking to him, but without any hint of malice. They really like the guy and are totally absorbed by him. After dropping him off, Dean excitedly says about picking up the hitchhiker: “I told you it was kicks. Everybody’s kicks, man!”11 His attitude resembles St. Francis’s affection for lepers and Mother Teresa’s love for the diseased downtrodden in Calcutta. As all the saints realize, and as Sal and Dean experience, even the most filthy and diseased people are God’s creatures and therefore lovable—if only a person is sufficiently detached to see it.

On the Road also features holy men, men whose thorough detachment makes them willing outcasts of society. There’s the “wild, ecstatic” Rollo Greb, the Beat-saint Dean wants to imitate, a man who “didn’t give a damn about anything,” a “great scholar who goes reeling down the New York waterfront with original seventeenth-century musical manuscripts under his arm, shouting,” whose “excitement blew out of his eyes in stabs of fiendish light.” Dean admires him, telling Sal: “That Rollo Greb is the greatest, most wonderful of all . . . that’s what I want to be. I want to be like him. He’s never hung-up, he goes every direction, he lets it all out. . . . Man, he’s the end!” Then Dean alludes to the beatific vision Kerouac wanted to capture: “You see, if you go like him all the time you’ll finally get it.” Sal, puzzled, asks, “Get what?” Dean simply yells back: “IT! IT!”12 as though there is nothing else to add—a characteristic of mystics emerging from an intense round of meditation.

There’s also Bull Lee, the teacher of the Beat. To the Beats, he is the wise elder, a man who had read and done everything, a man who lived in the glorious pre-1914 days when narcotics were available over the counter. Bull Lee lives in an old shack in New Orleans with his wife (both Benzedrine addicts). He tinkers about the yard, reading Shakespeare and Kafka, hardly caring about anything (especially ignoring the cares of conventional society), and taking drug fixes to get him through the day (although Sal pities Bull Lee’s drug addiction, his pity resembles the novice’s pity for the abbot who has bad knees from too much kneeling).

Bull Lee’s drug use was not unique. The Beat life entailed heavy use of drugs. Kerouac in real life used Benzedrine, morphine, marijuana, hashish, LSD, opium, and massive quantities of alcohol. He was hospitalized in his twenties from excessive Benzedrine use and was a cadaver at age 47 from hemorrhaging of the esophagus, the drunkard’s classic death.

Twisted Virtues

This is where Kerouac’s religion and pursuit of detachment fails—and fails hard. Taking drugs is one of the most self-centered actions possible. A person can find detachment from the use of drugs only during the high, and during this time his ability to reason—the ability that separates him from the animal, that makes him in God’s image—is faded. The drug user who is permanently detached—like Bull Lee—is merely a person who has permanently deprived himself of God’s image by melting his mind. For similar reasons, Kerouac’s religion also fails due to its celebration of carefree, constant, and perverted sex (including homosexual acts), risk-taking, and theft—all actions that are intensely self-centered and that tend to numb the mind.

Like Salinger’s religion of disaffection, the cornerstone of Kerouac’s religion was another warped form of detachment. Specifically, it was the paradoxical detachment of self-obsessed oblivion. The beatnik would get so wrapped up in his “kicks” that he would become oblivious to the people and things around him—oblivious to what they thought about him and oblivious to their conventionalities. With the help of drugs and repeated sexual experiences, he would make himself oblivious to everything. Then, having made himself unaware of other realities, he could become completely obsessed with—entertained by—anything. It was not the pure mind of the saint, but the small mind of a mental gnome.

Kerouac’s detachment ultimately failed for the same reason Salinger’s did: It stemmed from the metaphysical system of the Oriental religions rather than love.13 Kerouac embraced the detachment of Buddhism.14 Although he never completely deserted his native Roman Catholicism, Kerouac was infatuated with Buddhism. He saturated many of his books, like The Dharma Bums, with Buddhist themes. He practiced dhyana, Buddhist meditation. He at times took vows to lead a Buddhist life. In one vow, he promised to limit his sexual activity to masturbation (apparently his idea of austerity),15 another time he vowed to eat only one meal per day and to write about nothing but Buddhism.16 He at times exclaimed, “I am Buddha”17—a real possibility, given the metaphysics of Buddhism—and once asked D. T. Suzuki (a famous Zen master) if he could spend the rest of his life with him.18 It is no coincidence that Kerouac’s religion embraced sexual perversity similar to the perversity of Tantric Buddhism and its degenerative sexual rituals, for both spring from the same metaphysical corruption, the error known as “emptiness,” which teaches that all things are one and that perceived distinctions, including distinctions of good and bad, are mere illusions.19 In such a metaphysical corruption, even virtue can become degenerate—as illustrated in the degenerative twisting of the virtues of peace and love in the 1960s movements that Kerouac helped spawn.20

Kerouac’s contribution to the sixties movements of drugs and promiscuity will permanently be a black mark on his name—and it should be.21 But his book, On the Road, is valuable because it testifies to man’s irresistible religious search, and it is proof that the search, led improperly, can lead to the biggest troubles because it treads in the highest places. Kerouac’s antinomian behavior—and the antinomian behavior of the movements he helped spawn—shows that detachment must be the spouse of love or it will be the whore of the devil.

Restlessness & Rebellion

In his book, The Pursuit of the Millennium, Norman Cohn detailed the millennial movements that abounded in late medieval Europe. According to Cohn, at a time of restlessness, segments of the population splinter into apocalyptic movements that are full of odd religious notions, antinomian behavior, and a type of activism bent on making apocalyptic-like changes occur if they don’t happen fast enough on their own. In the late Middle Ages, the securities of medieval life were falling apart, resulting in restlessness and a large number of such movements.

Similarly, in the late 1950s and early 1960s, society was restless and the restlessness resulted in the rebellions of the 1960s that resembled the movements described in Cohn’s Pursuit. The youth craved the coming Age of Aquarius or boasted that we stood at the Eve of Destruction, all the time ready to catalyze the apocalypse through social activism. Antinomian behavior (”sex, drugs, rock ‘n roll”) was embraced with religious fervor. Odd religious notions started rising to the surface as the first stages of the New Age movement got started through an increased interest in Buddhism and Hinduism.22

Thomas Merton was both an augur and a microcosm of all this. Merton in the 1950s and early 1960s portended the rebelliousness of the 1960s, and later participated in that rebelliousness with a passion and conviction starkly at odds with the detached obedience required of a monk.

Throughout his life, Merton was something of a rebel. He was a restless and, in a way, disturbed individual, having suffered a difficult childhood (his mother emotionally abandoned him when he was a toddler in favor of his younger brother, and died when Merton was only six; after her death, his father provided little stability as he carted Merton across the world, then died when Merton was 15). By entering the monastery, he hoped to leave his rebellious nature behind. But he did not, and in the late 1950s, after fifteen years in the monastery, his rebelliousness began to manifest itself.

Merton, like the youth of America in the period, was feeling increasingly restless and dissatisfied. He was critical of the monastery, finding faults with everything, from its numbers, to its methods of sustaining itself financially, to its abbot. He increasingly agitated for a hermitage, a space where he could live and write separated from the rest of the monastic community. He thought about moving out of Gethsemani altogether, possibly moving out West (as a Trappist under an oath of silence, this bears an interesting resemblance to Holden Caulfield’s dream of moving out West and posing as a deaf-mute).

His sense of dissatisfaction and restlessness gave him, in the words of Czeslaw Milosz in a letter to Merton in the early 1960s, “an itch for activity.” This “itch” led to his involvement in, or vocal sympathy for, the various 1960s social activist movements, such as the Vietnam War protests (including as a friend and confidant of the criminal Berrigan brothers), the nuclear disarmament movement, the civil rights movement (he apparently even toyed with the idea of taking pills to make himself look black, like John Howard Griffin), the early environmental movement triggered by Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring,23 the War on Poverty, the Catholic Church reform movements leading up to Vatican II, and even efforts to unionize the Catholic Church’s priests.24 Like many of the 1960s radicals, he was also anti-American, stating at one point that America “is a totalitarian society in which freedom is pure illusion,” teaching that white America was engaged in an oppressive war against all non-whites, and regretting that he had earlier become a naturalized citizen.

Like many of the sixties movements, his social activism may have been encouraged by his sense of the apocalyptic. Starting in 1957, he increasingly felt that the world was on the cusp of a new age. At times, this sense took an optimistic flavor, as in a vague expectation of a reunion of Eastern and Western Christendom. More often, it took a pessimistic turn, as in his heavy feeling that the world was headed toward a nuclear Armageddon. (In the words of biographer Michael Mott, Merton had a “sense of world crisis,” and it “seemed to Merton that some force was moving the world closer to nuclear battle between the superpowers which even the leaders might be powerless to prevent.”25)

Merton’s personal life during these years also displayed the antinomian tendencies of the 1960s. In general, he was caught up in the counterculture, seeing himself tied to the hippie movement by a bond of sympathy and understanding (a young correspondent aptly referred to Merton as the “Hippy Hermit”26). He was such a big fan of Bob Dylan’s that, when the elderly philosopher Jacques Maritain visited him at his hermitage, Merton, to Maritain’s exasperation, wasted precious time playing a Bob Dylan record in hopes that Maritain would agree that Dylan was a great artist.27 He abandoned the monastic community, a community of men living in loving obedience to God, in favor of the solitary life of a hermit. He became increasingly disobedient to his superior, even though his superior was a good and intelligent man. He acquired a girlfriend. He overindulged in alcohol.28

Merton’s immoral behavior during these years may have been nourished by the metaphysical errors of the Eastern religions, errors that permit antinomian behavior in the name of emptiness, as in the beatniks’ metaphysical system. Like Salinger and Kerouac, Merton welcomed, and contributed to, America’s growing interest in the Eastern religions, becoming enamored with the oriental religions and spending a large portion of time writing on Hinduism, Taoism, and Buddhism. He wrote many solid and excellent works on these religions and generally avoided the threat of syncretism that spoils many other Christians’ efforts to explain them. But his infatuation with the Eastern religions often took the form of apology.29 Most significantly, Merton, a well-educated monk who understood that the root of Christianity is love, insisted that the Eastern religions’ detachment was also wrapped in love. He insisted on the loving nature of the Eastern religions, all the while admitting that they reject any subject-object relationship. It’s difficult to understand how a loving relationship can exist without subject-object—God-man, husband-wife, mother-child, owner-pet—but this didn’t deter Merton.

In short, after initially telling America in The Seven Storey Mountain about the virtues of true religious detachment as found in the monastery, Merton, in his public and private life, ended up giving his spiritual imprimatur to the disaffected, drug-induced detachment taught by Salinger and Kerouac and carried out in the counterculture of the 1960s.

The Three Foolish “Wise Men” Today

It is not surprising that these three writers hit it big with books about detachment in the late 1940s through the early 1960s. Prior to these years, America had had plenty to occupy its attention: World War I, the Roaring Twenties, the Depression, and World War II. Now things were calming down. Compared to those earlier decades, life was getting boring. So restlessness grew, along with the general sense of dissatisfaction that goes with it. These three preached a type of detachment—”getting away from all the stuff”—and the message was eagerly received. Unfortunately, only Merton’s early message in The Seven Storey Mountain taught it accurately.

Today, we’re still restless. And we’re still not turning to the proper religious life. We are turning to other things instead—many little, ephemeral things, to be exact. We are turning to multiple forms of distractions—such as spectator sports, travel, golf, gambling, inane fads, juvenile hobbies—to keep our minds distracted from the existential questions that cause restlessness, in obedience to Blaise Pascal’s words about ennui:

Nothing is so insufferable to man as to be completely at rest, without passions, without business, without diversions, without study. He then feels his nothingness, his forlornness, his insufficiency, his dependence, his weakness, and his emptiness. There will immediately arise from the depth of his heart weariness, gloom, sadness, fretfulness, vexation.30
Today’s banal pursuits are safe, non-radical ways to squelch the restlessness. But, as Pascal knew, they are fruitless and, in the long run, must show themselves to be as equally damaging as the radicalism of the 1960s.31
We are no longer tricking ourselves with the mental gymnastics of the warped forms of detachment preached by Kerouac and Salinger, and that is good. But we’ve adopted another problem instead: complete rejection of the idea that any lifestyle is good or bad, better or worse, so there can be no question whether each of us is wasting away in our two cars, three television sets, thirty rounds of golf every summer, and two vacations per year. Such questions are shoved aside.

And for this reason, it would be salubrious to reread Merton, Salinger, and Kerouac. For, whatever their shortcomings, they did raise an important issue: Some ways of living are better than others. Some activities are paltry and trivial. Some pursuits are higher and nobler than other pursuits. There are enlightening ways to spend time and banal ways to spend time.

However ridiculous, sinful, or unobtainable their answer, they at least questioned how to lead a better life, and they believed there was an answer. They knew the quality of existence couldn’t be measured by the materialistic Joneses. And they pointed out these things in terrific prose that surpasses today’s trashy fiction, fiction that passes for literature in today’s world only because literature has become merely one more method of distracting us from our existential rumblings—those spiritual murmurs we experience but refuse to acknowledge.

I,ll have to catch up late sunday or monday because I am going to be moving my daughter back home from college.


192 posted on 05/19/2007 8:23:33 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

Thanks a lot. Will read and get back to you.


193 posted on 05/19/2007 8:26:52 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Kolokotronis
Good formatting, old man. Sounds like a compliment with a Turkish twist to me! :)
194 posted on 05/19/2007 8:28:37 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Ave Maria!

I certainly agree that most post Vatican II Churches in the west are horribly plain and reflect the culture of the world more than that of God. And, yes, the Eastern Church has not fallen into this deplorable state, much to their credit. But, the warehouse architecture mentality has definitely hit a high tide mark in the west and traditional architecture and statuary is coming back. These are pictures from our chapel we built in 2000 and completed in 2001. These pictures are from Christmas, nothing wrong with a little Christmas in May.

Notice that there is a certain appreciation for Eastern Orthodox styles in some of the art.

Most of the wood came from a Church that had burned down and we scrapped the charred material off and refinished it. Interestingly, we had already decided upon the floor plan before we heard about the wood being available. The church it came from exactly matched our floor plan, including the spacing of the columns! We don't yet have all the statuary in place, but we are working on it.

And we do credit Our Lady for bringing this about. In fact, we see in our experience with the Catholic Church a strong connection between anti Marianism or Marian Minimalism and the minimalistic, pragmatic architecture and art of recent times. But we definitely had all this stuff (architecture, devotionals, reverent liturgies, etc.) before the disaster hit us. And this in spite of the fact that the documents of Vatican II were all in favor of keeping all this stuff. So it was not the official Church's fault but rather a non official element usurped control and implemented an agenda that came straight from the Devil. So the question becomes how do we defeat the Devil. We think Our Lady is the answer. Perhaps this might shed some light on some of our motives with the Dogma. We need extraordinary help.

Ave Maria!

195 posted on 05/19/2007 9:16:11 PM PDT by Friar Roderic Mary
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; Kolokotronis
Ave Maria!

I too will have to read this. I wanted ask you, stfassisi, if you know about some of the problems of Merton's early works because you show some familiarity with Alice Von Hildebrand with your post LETTER TO A YOUNG GIRL By Alice Von Hilerbrand(Catholic Caucus). Apparently she did a talk on the problems with Merton and said that even his early works are tainted with his later problems. Mind you, Kosta, I do not consider this a condemnation of his early works. That is not where I am going. Because every great writer probably writes things earlier on that was not quite right and can either correct them or go deeper into error. Its just that he turned for the worst and the fact that you brought up the conversation by quoting a Marian Minimalistic quote from him has peaked my Marian Maximalistic interest. In particular the connection between Marian errors as being the root of further errors.

Again, we Franciscan of the Immaculate think having a correct view of Christ depends on a correct view of Mary. Thomas Merton definitely fell on the side of modernism and syncretism and we feel this is the spirit behind marian Minimalism. Minimize Mary leads to minimizing Christ and then minimizing Christianity and then make your churches like any auditorium. The spirit here is egalitarian, all thoughts, religions and people are equal despite there relative merits or lack there of. Thus merits and sin do not matter. Thus even God is made to be equal and so no reverence paid to him.

So I was wondering what you know of the talk of hers. I think we have the tape in another friary of ours. I just never had the opportunity to listen to it. I think CUF put it out.

Ave Maria!

196 posted on 05/19/2007 10:13:01 PM PDT by Friar Roderic Mary
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
How beautiful! One could spend a whole day in prayer in your chapel. beauty comes from God and what a way to show our gratitude to Him but to make our liturgy and our churches as beautiful as we can instead of as simple and minimalistic as possible! For, there is nothing simple in the Creation.

And what are we to say of the fact that all the wood and columns were just a perfect fit!? No coincidence there, I am sure. Than you for sharing this, and may God bless your and your brothers' work.

197 posted on 05/19/2007 10:47:25 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary; stfassisi; Kolokotronis
Its just that he turned for the worst and the fact that you brought up the conversation by quoting a Marian Minimalistic quote from him has peaked my Marian Maximalistic interest

It's quite late and I must sleep. But I will return to your post later. Let me just say that what I read did not seem minimalist at all, but to the contrary.

198 posted on 05/19/2007 10:50:53 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
“”I wanted ask you, stfassisi, if you know about some of the problems of Merton’s early works because you show some familiarity with Alice Von Hildebrand””

From what I have read I seem to remember Merton did talk about zen type methods in his early years.(I could be wrong)
I “think” he was mentioned by Dr John Rao the Catholic historian who is a personal friend of Alice Von Hildebrand. and is director of the Roman Forum founded by Professor Dietrich von Hildebrand
http://www.romanforum.org/
I believe Rao mentions Merton in the Audio tapes Of the
The dangers of the Charismatic movement at Keep the faith
http://www.keepthefaith.org/searchResult_speakers.aspx?manufacturer=17
This is one of my favorite sites because you can download audio files for only $1.00 each.
It has speakers such as Fulton Sheen and Father John Hardon -who are very Dear to me.

I have to move my daughter back from Ithaca College today so,
I will have to get back to you late tonight or tomorrow on what I remember about Merton's early years..

I wish you a Blessed day!

199 posted on 05/20/2007 5:36:45 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Friar Roderic Mary
“”I wanted ask you, stfassisi, if you know about some of the problems of Merton’s early works because you show some familiarity with Alice Von Hildebrand””

From what I have read I seem to remember Merton did talk about zen type methods in his early years.(I could be wrong)
I “think” he was mentioned by Dr John Rao the Catholic historian who is a personal friend of Alice Von Hildebrand. and is director of the Roman Forum founded by Professor Dietrich von Hildebrand
http://www.romanforum.org/
I believe Rao mentions Merton in the Audio tapes Of the
The dangers of the Charismatic movement at Keep the faith
http://www.keepthefaith.org/searchResult_speakers.aspx?manufacturer=17
This is one of my favorite sites because you can download audio files for only $1.00 each.
It has speakers such as Fulton Sheen and Father John Hardon -who are very Dear to me.

I have to move my daughter back from Ithaca College today so,
I will have to get back to you late tonight or tomorrow on what I remember about Merton's early years..

I wish you a Blessed day!

200 posted on 05/20/2007 5:36:54 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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