Posted on 05/28/2007 11:09:15 AM PDT by Titanites
The Church is the Body of Christ. I received that gift, faith, with no merit of my own, from Christ, acting through the Church, which is His Body. Although I am aware of defects in the human members of the Church, I see no advantage to condemning the Church; after that, there is anarchy.
I agree.
Well, you have to know and assent to what you believe but you still don't have to be a scholar. You don't have to read the early fathers, you don't have to know the whole history of the church, you just have to know what it believes and assent to that belief.
What happens with those who don't know & can't assent? Think we're supposed to send them away hungry?
I don’t know exactly what you mean by that. Are you talking about the mentally challenged or those who haven’t heard the Word or those who haven’t felt and/or responded to Grace?
I see no advantage in condemning the Church either. I would only worry about anarchy if I didn't know that God is in control.
Those who havent felt Grace, though they claim to be open to it.
They are always welcome to attend any Catholic Church, they can't receive the Sacraments unless they have been baptized and assent to the beliefs of the Church but if they haven't felt Grace then why would they seek the Sacraments? Why would they believe in the Sacraments if they can't accept the Grace of God? Faith in God must come first in someone past the age of reasoning because the Sacraments are nothing without God.
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I agree. I’m a former Presbyterian. I’m grateful to my mother for the Christian formation I received. I learned to read the Bible with pleasure when I was growing up, and I learned wonderful hymns that I still appreciate. I don’t recall a single bad experience of Protestant Christianity; however, after my “existentialist period” in my late teens, I believe the Lord called me to the Catholic Church.
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Maybe they are confusing faith with absolutely knowing with their own intellect and really have it but think it should feel different. They might feel that they should KNOW things and FEEL things or that their faith experience should be like being struck by lightening. Faith through Grace comes in many ways, we don’t all get a Road to Damascus experience, but He gives us what we need.
Uh, oh. I think I started something. :-)
Yes, it was definitely toungue in cheek. And I do rejoice when someone finds their home (though I believe “home” is in the Body of Christ - I do believe that God’s hand guides us as to exactly where we must be at one time or another).
I rejoice the most when His Church grows, and don’t consider any migration one way or another across the Tiber to be a net gain or loss for His Church, though I recognize many disagree.
For example, my brother found his way back to the RC church, and of course brought his wife and kids with him to be baptized. He was Free Methodist before then, and in the Unity Church (or Church of Today, whatever it is called now) before that. Well, I’m not particularly keen on the Unity Church, but as a Free Methodist in a very conservative congregation I felt he was well grounded, as I feel in my conservative evangelical church. When he went back to the RC I encouraged him to follow what he considered God’s calling, even if I chose not to go that way myself.
They claim to be atheists, so I have the feeling that the big guns are gonna have to come out to bring them to their knees.
Again...
I know what you mean, one of my brothers fits that category. JMO, but he feels like he is sinning and he wants to keep sinning and so he needs to believe there is no God and no justice, just the here and now and death is the end.
That could be it, but it could also be a certain amount of fear of association with the “ignorant hicks” that never outgrew believing in faerie tales.
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