Posted on 06/11/2007 8:11:53 PM PDT by markomalley
“We believe that infallibility comes through the Holy Spirit.”
Protestants and Evangelicals believe that as well.
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AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
“Hermanos” (brothers) is still used in Spanish to indicate brothers and cousins in a family. The full title of a cousin is “primo hermano” (abbreviated to primo). It is not and was not unusual in many languages for the title “brother” to encompass all male relatives who were roughly in the same age cohort.
Dear Brother,here is something for you to think about...
The Holy Spirit is Mary,s spouse and St. Joseph knew it when he was informed by the Angel in a dream (Matthew 1:20). Would any sane man be so vain as to father mere human children with her? The idea of the spouse of the Holy Spirit becoming a mother to one not by the Holy Spirit, would have been repulsive, and would have had all the ingredients of sacrilege to him.
I,ll try and get to the typology of this towards weeks end
I wish you a most Blessed Day.
It actually is the issue that undermines the entire Protestant claim. The fact that there exists an infinite number of Protestant spin-offs, ranging from one end of the religious spectrum to another in doctrine and often mutually exclusive in their truth claims, with each asserting itself to be the true Christian church and based on the true Scriptural teaching, shows you exactly how "Scripture and plain reason" without authority can mislead.
If you think the word "cousin" is confusing you should read Jeromes' 11 page explanation about the word "until" in Matthew 1;25.
Not my construction on reality.
Doesn’t fit the evidence, imho.
Doesn’t fit the culture.
Doesn’t fit God’s statements about marriage.
Doesn’t fit God’s priorities re the marriage bed.
Your description of reality fits much more our current culture of single parent mothers.
God has used many of us . . . and thereby our bodies . . . in numerous ways. He used Mary’s body and home in a unique way.
Doesn’t mean God abandoned and trashed His other priorities for marriage—including Joseph’s and Mary’s marriage.
Doesn’t sound like God.
Doesn’t track like God.
Doesn’t play like God.
Isn’t consistent with God’s priorities for marriage. Just isn’t.
For God to have made such an outrageously inconsistent exception for Joseph’s and Mary’s marriage, I’d have thought a whole book of the New Testament would have been devoted to it—AT LEAST A CHAPTER.
Ridiculous.
BTW, I do much appreciate your tone.
I just don’t have an enormous amount of patience on this dogma. It jangles my spirit on so many levels. I find it an offensive affront to Christ as well as to common sense and to Scriptures. That’s just my construction on reality. Not trying to offend you. But throwing a thread like this in my face will often get a forceful response.
Chinese has some similar customs.
But that’s not my point.
My point is to build such a critical dogma on such flimsy evidence is horrendously silly.
I don’t know why God didn’t emphasize the blood sibling relationship but He didn’t. NEITHER DID HE MAKE CLEAR IN SCRIPTURE the interpretation the Roman edifice layers on it.
Therefore, building a supposedly infallible dogma on such flimsy a foundation is . . . spiritual, religious malpractice of the worst kind, imho.
Guess I have an incapacity to make points clear to you.
Doesn’t fit the evidence, imho.
Thank you for admitting that it's your mere, fallible opinion.
Doesn’t fit the culture.
In your opinion. And who are you to force fit the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY into mere human culture? May GOD rebuke such nonsense!!!
Doesn’t fit God’s statements about marriage.
Opinion
Doesn’t fit God’s priorities re the marriage bed.
Opinion
Your description of reality fits much more our current culture of single parent mothers.
Opinion
God has used many of us . . . and thereby our bodies . . . in numerous ways. He used Mary’s body and home in a unique way.
Unique indeed. In more ways than some folks are willing to admit.
Doesn’t mean God abandoned and trashed His other priorities for marriage—including Joseph’s and Mary’s marriage.
Opinion
Doesn’t sound like God.
Opinion
Doesn’t track like God.
Opinion
Doesn’t play like God.
Opinion
Isn’t consistent with God’s priorities for marriage. Just isn’t.
Opinion
For God to have made such an outrageously inconsistent exception for Joseph’s and Mary’s marriage, I’d have thought a whole book of the New Testament would have been devoted to it—AT LEAST A CHAPTER.
Again, thank you for admitting that you are merely voicing your own personal, fallible, opinion. That's truly rare around here.
Ridiculous.
I agree ... but not in the way you mean it.
I don’t think that was really the foundation of the doctrine. Like many doctrines, it was something that existed in oral tradition and the belief of the first Christians, and was later “codified,” if you will, in a doctrinal formulation. The canon (of Scripture) obviously came after the belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity, so this was probably something that was known to or circulating in the early Christian world, and was not something retroactively extracted from the written Scriptures after they had been solidified and approved by the Church.
You can certainly see why individual interpretation went astray! I'm a translator, btw, and determining exactly how a word is being used is a very difficult task, even in modern languages. You have to get it from context, that is, both the context of the document (which is often useless) - and the context of your knowledge of the culture, the issue in question, the conditions surrounding it, and what you have learned from speaking that language and traveling in that country. In other words, even in modern translation, you're relying on "tradition" to give you an accurate understanding of written words.
Guess I'll have to make my ascii emoticons bigger!
I disagree.
There are at least what . . . 1/7th, 1/5th, 1/4th, half as many conflicting factions, congregations, orders etc. within the RC edifice as in the major sections of the Proties.
This homogeneous fantasy re the RC’s is essentially that—a fantasy. There’s lots of things in writing in lots of groups that supposedly equal thoroughgoing agreement.
But the living individuals and leaders in the different congregations and groups routinely differ in small and large ways from what’s written. Especially what was written 100’s of years ago.
. . . . WITHIN the RC edifice.
I can imagine.
Personally, I think I’d rather Holy Spirit and even LaHaye enlighten me on that! LOL.
The NAB gives this commentary on Mark 6:3
The brother of James . . . Simon: in Semitic usage, the terms “brother,” “sister” are applied not only to children of the same parents, but to nephews, nieces, cousins, half-brothers, and half-sisters; cf Genesis 14:16; 29:15; Lev 10:4. While one cannot suppose that the meaning of a Greek word should be sought in the first place from Semitic usage, the Septuagint often translates the Hebrew ah by the Greek word adelphos, “brother,” as in the cited passages, a fact that may argue for a similar breadth of meaning in some New Testament passages. For instance, there is no doubt that in v 17, “brother” is used of Philip, who was actually the half-brother of Herod Antipas.
I didn’t realize I had so much in common with so many priestly,
Opinions
on so many RC encyclicals . . .
One either has parroting
or one has
opinions and nuances of opinions.
Then there can be anointed opinions . . . and even anointed transcriptions . . . all of which can be considered
flawed opinions by those not convinced of such anointing.
It appears that you really believe that the RC edifice is far less plagued with
OPINIONS
than the Proties are.
LOL
ROTFLOL
GTTM
But there is one Catechism and one Bible.
People are free to think, to postulate, to argue and to adopt various positions, but there is one Magisterium to keep the Church on the right track.
As a matter of fact, what do you consider conflicting factions? And how did you come up with speculative numbers of 1/7 to 1/2? And how does the Church act differently than its written documents indicate that She should?
Your sequencing narrative is likely plenty correct . . . though I wouldn’t say “known.”
Just be at a Pentecostal special meeting where Holy Spirit moves in very persistent dramatic power and miracles.
Watch then, how the faithful treat the servant of God through whom Holy Spirit has moved.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all that SOME around the time of the early church would humanly elevate Mary in a list of ways.
Doesn’t mean God did.
And, as we have seen, as late as 1940’s . . . such elevation was still being . . . embellished, added to etc.
That fact alone indicates to me the level of nonsense involved.
Ahhhhh . . .
I try to avoid putting too much weight on the emoticons. Such critters seem inherently small to bear so much.
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