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To: Cvengr
In regards to the spirit, the pretrib rapture makes very much sense if the Holy Spirit no longer indwells the believer during the Great Tribulation.

Please tell me the scripture that mentions the Holy Spirit won't be with us. I know I have read something about that but I can't find it.

Thank you.

293 posted on 07/21/2007 5:08:06 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
Please tell me the scripture that mentions the Holy Spirit won't be with us. I know I have read something about that but I can't find it.

II Th 2:7

297 posted on 07/21/2007 7:49:55 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Ping-Pong

2nd Thes 2:7

Please note the discernment between the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as opposed to being in fellowship with God through faith in Christ.

The Church Age is unique in that each and every believer is indwelt by God the Holy Spirit, in their bodies. This in turn provides a temple of their bodies for the indwelling of Christ in the believer who is also one with the Father.

Whenever the Holy Spirit is withdrawn, so to will that believer be withdrawn for nothing can separate us.

This is not the situation during the Great Tribulation.

THe best interpretations I’ve understood, place about a 3-1/2 yr to 7 yr period of bema seat rewards and wedding feast with our Lord prior to His return for a great battlefield victory in which all his enemies shall be made a footstool for his feet.

The remnant remains, during the Tribulation, thereby not only fulfilling Prophecies regarding the Hebrew nation of Israel, but also manifesting His grace for all whose names are written in the Book of Life. Nevertheless, woe unto them who remain here during that time of Jacob’s Trouble.


310 posted on 07/21/2007 10:22:08 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Ping-Pong

I’m sure someone has or will post the specific Scripture ref. It’s the one about that which hinders the enemy—until that which hinders the enemy or some similar wording . . . is taken out . . .

Many have construed that to be Holy Spirit. Others have construed it to be Holy Spirit in the Church etc. No small amount of debate has raged on the issue for decades or centuries.

I don’t believe Holy Spirit will be 100% removed from the world—else the atoms would fly apart, imho.

I could imagine that His indwelling individuals might be removed in terms of a routine thing. But God will still have His way even during the Anti-Christ’s horrid last 3.5 years’ reign when the wrath of God is poured out on the sin soaked world.


557 posted on 08/05/2007 8:05:27 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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