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The Motu Proprio Musical Frenzy
The New Liturgical Movement ^ | August 5, 2007 | Jeffrey Tucker

Posted on 08/06/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by Frank Sheed

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What not to do in your Schola! A critical list of errors and how to avoid them!
1 posted on 08/06/2007 11:01:31 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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Avoid errors in your Schola...!

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2 posted on 08/06/2007 11:04:14 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

reluctantly asking to be pinged. We took our houseguest to the local Latin Mass yesterday. He’ll be here six weeks so I’m not going to decide about it until he’s gone and will go with him every week. I will go buy a mantilla at the local Catholic store but I will not wear panty hose in Kansas in August. I will also start taking an Advil before I go since kneeling for over an hour is hard on this old body.


3 posted on 08/06/2007 11:12:34 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Frank Sheed; jrny
The "four-hymn sandwich" came not with the new form but was inherited from the old form. It was the norm. It continues to be the bane of modern liturgical life, a regrettable gift from days of yore to our own times

Ah, I ain't no liturgist but I'm frankly getting a little tired of the cracks about the 4 hymn sandwich.

We have our High Mass at 11:00, where our music director does all the chant quite beautifully. But what are we supposed to do for the Low Mass at 8:30? Not sing? We do three hymns because otherwise there would be nothing. And yes, I know I know, silence in the old Mass and all that, but during the Processional, Recessional, and Communion too?

Second of all, there seems to be this idea that hymns can't be liturgical. The sequences, like the Dies Irae, were hymns prescribed by the liturgy...and there were lots of them in the Middle Ages.

There are plenty of places (and this article as much as acknowledges it) that to get a trained schola to learn and sing the official Roman propers was proving quite onerous. The Indian missions, case in point. So what did they sing instead? Hymns.

So yes, bring back the chant by all means, but don't knock the hymns either.

4 posted on 08/06/2007 1:45:12 PM PDT by Claud
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So yes, bring back the chant by all means, but don't knock the hymns either.

How 'bout the hymns songs mindless ditties of Schutte, Haugen, and Haas?

Can I knock them?

Please?

5 posted on 08/06/2007 2:12:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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LOL...ditties is about the nicest word those....those....things....deserve. ;)

Knock away, I'll spring for the mallet!

6 posted on 08/06/2007 2:15:58 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Mercat
Pretty sandals are absolutely acceptable (hey, this is Georgia in August! You guys don't know from hot in Kansas!)

As for extended kneeling -- if you wear a below-knee-length skirt, nobody need know that you have your gardening kneepads on! (nobody noticed mine!!!!) I went to Mass at the Cathedral -- they not only have very minimally padded kneelers (unlike the nice cushy ones at our parish), there are NO KNEELERS at the rail, just hard marble!!!!! Thought I was gonna die waiting for the priest and his cadre of acolytes ... there's some real penance!

7 posted on 08/06/2007 2:16:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Claud
The Haugen/Haas Liturgical Licorice deserves the 10 ton anvil, not just a mallet!

Actually, maybe a tac nuke . . . just to be sure!

8 posted on 08/06/2007 2:17:39 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Claud
You provide the mallet, I'll provide the stakes.

To drive through their hearts.

-Bustard, the Vampire Slayer.

9 posted on 08/06/2007 2:18:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Frank Sheed

This sounds encouraging. Thanks.


10 posted on 08/06/2007 2:27:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**How ‘bout the hymns songs mindless ditties of Schutte, Haugen, and Haas?

Can I knock them?**

Yes, of course, cut them out of your hymnals for all I care!


11 posted on 08/06/2007 2:29:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’ll provide the scissors.


12 posted on 08/06/2007 2:30:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ArrogantBustard; AnAmericanMother; Claud

Oh, my goodness, I just realized we are playing rock, paper, scissors! LOL!


13 posted on 08/06/2007 2:31:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL, my office mate offered to lend me his garden pads. He was just joking. And I’m good with the sandles since I had pedicured toes with blue nail polish. :-)


14 posted on 08/06/2007 2:34:15 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Salvation

If I took a pair of scissors and cut all the dreck out of the OCP “Music Issue”, there wouldn’t be much left.


15 posted on 08/06/2007 2:34:41 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mercat
I have the nice soft knitted kneepads as well as the heavy duty rubber ones with the gelpads inside . . . my old catcher's pads from my softball days would probably show even under a floor length skirt!

I do wear Clark ("sensible") sandals, but not the little abbreviated ones! I do keep my feet clean and my nails trimmed short, but I am 52 years old and have never had a pedicure, I think I may have had nail polish on my hands twice in my life . . . . between dogs, horses, and playing the piano, even a manicure would be COMPLETELY wasted on me. Let alone a pedicure.

16 posted on 08/06/2007 2:39:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Salvation

Well, ANVIL (or mallet), scissors, paper, anyhow!


17 posted on 08/06/2007 2:39:55 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: ArrogantBustard

Actually most of the old-fashioned stuff is at the back of the misallette.....back by the daily Mass lists.


18 posted on 08/06/2007 2:42:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Just save my favorite song,
“I Am the Bread of Life”

You can take practically everything else.

However, I do like “Hosea”


19 posted on 08/06/2007 2:43:59 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mercat

Excellent idea to try the Latin Mass and see if you like it. Many of us can’t live without it, but it is not something to make yourself miserable about. Mantilla hint: Use a bobby pin in the top or stitch a small hair comb into the front. Stockings: If your skirt is lower-calf (tea length in the old tongue), I wouldn’t worry about the stockings. If anyone can tell that those 3-4 inches of exposed ankle are uncovered, they’re looking too close and need to go to confession!

Happy Chanting!


20 posted on 08/06/2007 2:44:19 PM PDT by Truelove (qui tacet consentit)
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