Posted on 08/06/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
I don't much care for either of those. You'll note, though, that I was picking on the "Music Issue" not the misalette. Even that is somewhat thin gruel, though.
NPM delenda est.
OCP delenda est.
GIA delenda est.
Well, Claud, you could begin by reading the 1958 Instruction on the Mass from Cong/Worship.
They advise that the laity SHOULD make all the responses to the priest (Amen, Et Cum Spiritu Tuo, etc.) including the prayers at the foot of the altar; also the Kyrie responses, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus/Benedictus, Agnus, and the Pater Noster.
And it MAY be spoken OR sung.
That, my man, is “participatio actuosa, Part 2.”
Correctomundo! better to start small and grow. We sing 13 settings of the Gregorian Chant ordinaries at out parish but then Father has been training us over the past 10 years. He would introduce a chant Mass periodically and have the congregation become used to it over say about 6 months and then begin a new one. We are at the point we cycle through them now. My personal favorite is Mass XI Orbis Factor with that lovely Kyrie in Mode I. Credo I is also a good choice for newbies to Gregorian Chant as III is, as the author puts it, hardly Gregorian Chant.
Oh Golly you have me laughing out loud yet again! Too funny. Father just put in new kneelers at our parish and they feel just a bit too cushy for me. I liked the old split naugahyde that could pinch ya good! Such a feeling of penitential satisfaction!!! ; )
I have no knee pads, ladies. I’ll just “offer it up” as the nuns used to say.
I wonder what it was like kneeling on the bare stone floor sans pews of Notre Dame de Paris for 2 hours at a Pontifical High Mass in Paris in 1688 during the month of “Aout” (August)?
Sacre bleu!
Frank
A tried and true Catholic! Suffer now and not later!
We do nothing at our indult. A handful of high masses in which a tepid schola chants. Otherwise, it is a year of silence, not that I mind terribly, especially after being subjected to a “hymn” at a N.O. mass yesterday that would have been more suitable on a Dave Brubeck album. Yes, 5/4 time. All it lacked was Paul Desmond on soprano sax.
The article describes our schola exactly. One master chanter, with the others following behind, reluctantly it would seem.
I agree, the four hymn sandwich, if they are all good traditional hymns would be good. A little Panis Angelicus never hurt nobody.
O Salutaris, likewise.
Follow the bouncing ball....
1. I, the Lord of sea and sky,
I have heard my people cry.
All who dwell in dark and sin
My hand will save.
I, who made the stars of night,
I will make their darkness bright.
Who will bear my light to them?
Whom shall I send?
Refrain
Here I am, Lord.
Is it I, Lord?
I have heard you calling in the night.
I will go, Lord,
if you lead me.
I will hold your people in my heart.
2. I, the Lord of snow and rain,
I have borne my peopleÕs pain.
I have wept for love of them.
They turn away.
I will break their hearts of stone,
Give them hearts for love alone.
I will speak my word to them.
Whom shall I send?
3. I, the Lord of wind and flame,
I will tend the poor and lame.
I will set a feast for them.
My hand will save.
Finest bread I will provide
Till their hearts be satisfied.
I will give my life to them.
Whom shall I send?
Text: Based on Isaiah 6. Text and music © 1981, OCP. All rights reserved.
Unfair! YOU have trousers! (and I’ll bet they have double fabric in the knee too!)
I’m sure that Cato the Censor WOULD have said that, if he had known about Oregon “Catholic” Press!
Excellent, excellent piece by Jeffrey Tucker! I know I’ve said this many times here, but it bears repeating - the old Low Mass mentality of pre-V2 and the new Mass as commonly celebrated today are two sides of the SAME coin of liturgical barreness.
The “old” Mass is about a forward vision, not a return. Let the great liturgical movement proceed again as it should have before it was derailed.
Claud,
I have to agree with the author about the 4-hymn sandwich bit. What we do at Mater Ecclesiae is fine, but there is a huge difference between hymns (such as a recessional) and hymns such as the Dies Irae. The latter is actually part of the text of the Mass itself (Requiem Masses), while the former is, strictly speaking, a non-liturgical addition to the Mass. What the author aludes to with singing hymns at Low Mass a la Mater Ecclesiae is the fact that instead of the people singing the actual parts of the liturgy itself, they sing extra-liturgical hymns while relegating the actual Mass texts to be spoken or silent only. So yes, the High Mass is the ideal, because by its very nature, the liturgy itself is sung. The 4-hymn sandwich was all too common before V2 and the same pattern has become the standard NO format. Sacrosanctum Concilium truly fell on deaf ears as did Mediator Dei 15 years prior to it.
No, I have summer weight trousers, am at least 14 years older than you and have arthritis in my left knee from a “clipping injury” I got as a football player in high school (which really messed up my lateral collateral ligament/lateral meniscus). But, I’d rather suffer now than later in deference to Sr. Thomas Charles aka “Tommy Gun Charlie.”
I should mention that ibuprofen works wonders though.
;-o)
We have specials,
That have extras
Onions, chives, and garlic mixed with oil.
They’re our own blend,
Sold for Lent, Lord!
And your people scarf them down like they’re in style.
I'll say!
I can easily lose 3-4 pounds in an hour (unfortunately I gain it all back as soon as I can make my way to the water fountain off the narthex!)
It is, however, nice and cozy in the winter.
Plus the choir doesn't have kneelers in the loft, we kneel on the floor . . . .
. . . and we walked ten miles to school in three feet of snow, uphill both ways . . . and we were THANKFUL!
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Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, Mater Americana!
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