Posted on 08/08/2007 1:31:31 PM PDT by NYer
Micro or macro, con Creator or sans Creator, with scientific materialism or without, with philosophical reasoning or without, with physical observations or without?
;)
Hmph.
I just noticed this:
“But if God had intended to save him, he would have understood the actual meaning of the words of Christ and he would have known they, like most of the teachings of Christ were hidden from the unsaved and not literal.”
You must believe in predestination.
The above statement is supported nowhere in Scripture; if anything, it shows the opposite.
Moreover, God gave us free will. If we were not free to choose then I propose the following:
“God is immoral, Jesus was a liar and Christianity is a false religion.”
And here is why:
God is not evil.
Evil is the absence of obedience to God.
Free will is a choice to obey or not obey
Man chose evil.
So it follows that if there is no free will, then we are all created puppets of God, and God is evil.
Our Lord came for the sinners, Brother.
“...like most of the teachings of Christ were hidden from the unsaved and not literal”
As campion says in post #22: “gnostisism alert”
To speak of “hidden knowledge” being understood only by some is the heresy of gnosticism.
You need to expand your imagination, then. Google "Mark Brumley", "Carl Olson Catholic", and "David Currie Catholic" for starters.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion...
The Catholics who do not believe/obey every doctrine taught (de Fide) have effectively excommunicated themselves.
“Cafeteria” ones included.
“The Catholic Church, if it is hated by the “world,” is not hated nearly as much as Fundamentalist Protestants are. In fact, the intellectualism of the Catholic Church means it actually enjoys much respect from the world.”
Again, you are certainly entitled to your opinion; you may attempt to “document” this, but I doubt that anything of any substance will be presented.
Are you replying to Zionist Conspirator?
Yes, sorry. :)
It clears up most confusion regarding that particular “issue”.
Isaiah. :)
So . . . does Isaiah teach evolution, or that sex is dirty?
I am a former Southern Baptist who accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord and Savior. I made my profession before the congregation. I was then Baptized (full immersion) and was proclaimed "saved" by the pastor.
I have since joined the Catholic Church. About 3 years ago on a thread this same issue was raised. I made this same statement and a number of the “OSAS” crowd proclaimed I was indeed saved. I thought their responses were rather amusing.
What do you say?
It says neither. :)
Why not read it and find out what it does say. :)
Why not read it and find out what it does say. :)
Then where do you get those ideas from?
What ideas?
My favorite Catholic Convert is Larry Kudlow!! and then Laura Ingraham.
The only one who would know if you got saved is you, and God of course...
I don't know much about the Southern Baptist group...I know there are a number of religions that are associated with the Southern Baptist Convention...
If you got 'saved', you were filled with the Holy Spirit and the Spirit would confirm with your spirit that you have eternal life, NOW...
My guess is that you never spent much time in the Bible before or after you got saved...
Why would a person who has eternal life want to join a group that does not have eternal life???
All I can say is that if your name was written in the Book of Life, you'd know it was there...
“My guess is that you never spent much time in the Bible before or after you got saved...
Why would a person who has eternal life want to join a group that does not have eternal life???
All I can say is that if your name was written in the Book of Life, you’d know it was there...”
That is not an answer, but a weightless grouping of ad hominem and polemic statements, with nothing to back them up.
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Special Protestant glasses!!!!
Why not? I’m waiting to get my secret Protestant Holy Spirit decoder ring and if I’m really really good, a newly appointed angel will visit me in the wee hours and let me know where the next batch of Scripture lies underground.
If it’s boring, then don’t read it. Unless you’re predestined to do so...
Why would you assume that? The Baptist Church I was a member of had Sunday School class every week before the service and bible studies which I did participate in. And since I’ve become Catholic, I read the Bible every day, hear it proclaimed every Sunday and also participate in a Thursday night Bible study.
Why would a person who has eternal life want to join a group that does not have eternal life???
Again, would you assume that? Is this an infallible pronouncement by Pope Iscool?
Jesus was very clear when he stated “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.’
I have this in the Catholic Church. In addition, it’s not a symbolic meal, it’s the body, blood soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you have it in yours?
All I can say is that if your name was written in the Book of Life, you'd know it was there...
Paul warned that claiming a victory before the race is over is foolish. I continue the race with a hopeful confidence. All the while working out my salvation with fear and trembling. That’s the message of the gospel.
No, but I got the water...
Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
I got a jug in my refrigerator and I get a glass everyday...
I don't need to eat the flesh and drink the blood...Just a cool sip of water gives me eternal life...
Catholics have the water too. I bless myself with it before Mass every Sunday. I also keep a bottle of Holy Water in my home. Just curious, why would you ignore the clear teaching of Christ who said “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life”?
Do you think this doesn’t apply to you?
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