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New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
CNS ^ | August 9, 2007 | Beth Griffin

Posted on 08/13/2007 4:37:16 PM PDT by NYer

WAPPINGERS FALLS, N.Y. (CNS) -- In late July, carloads of curious Catholics caravanned north from their church to a mosque in the next county.

Three dozen Catholics who regularly attend Mass at the Franciscan Friars of the Atonement's Graymoor Spiritual Life Center in Garrison accepted a Muslim visitor's invitation to attend services at Masjid Al-Noor, his mosque in Wappingers Falls.

Entering the two-story white frame building, the visitors placed their shoes alongside their host's on wire racks lining one wall of the foyer.

The women, already modestly covered from chin to ankle, pulled on scarves to cover their hair. The men were directed through double doors to a large simple, rug-covered room on the first floor and the women were invited upstairs to a balcony overlooking the same prayer room.

The walls of the prayer room were sparsely decorated with metal plaques proclaiming God's greatness in Arabic, a large clock and several bookshelves with various editions of the Quran and devotional books. The front of the room had a small, raised carpeted platform for the imam, the religious scholar who led the service.

People greeted one another quietly and lined up, shoulder to shoulder, in rows that stretched across the room. Everyone faced east, the direction of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, Islam's holy city. Folding chairs in the back of the two prayer areas were used by people who had difficulty sitting and kneeling on the floor, or accomplishing the deep bows that punctuated the prayers.

Muslims are required to pray five times a day and men are obliged to attend a communal service on Fridays. Women are not required to interrupt their routines to go to the mosque for Friday prayer. Three-quarters of the more than 200 people who attended one recent Friday service at Masjid Al-Noor were men.

The 45-minute service was conducted in spoken and intoned Arabic, with three portions in English: a short reflection on the reading from the Quran, intercessory prayers and communal announcements.

At one Friday service, Imam Mohammed Asil Khan chose to speak on a Scripture passage, or "sura," that described the "Miracles of Jesus and the Miracles of Mohammed." He later explained that Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, but not divine.

The Catholic visitors told Catholic News Service they were grateful for the opportunity to attend the services and speak with members of the congregation.

"Our hosts were very welcoming and it was insightful to have casual conversation about being Muslim and learning about the diversity within their own community," said Ruth Ann McAndrews.

She was particularly interested in the discussion of the "challenge of instilling each religion's traditions and faith in the youth through Sunday school and after-school programs."

"The thing that struck me," said Dan Donnelly, "was the commonality that pervades. We have significant doctrinal differences. They don't believe in the Trinity or in the divinity of Jesus, but we have a common father who created us and we should all love one another."

He was also intrigued by the lack of a hierarchy and came to a better understanding of the role of the imam.

"I thought of the imams as the priesthood," he said, "but I learned that they are religious scholars who are chosen by the community to be teachers. If an imam is not available, the people can choose another person to lead the service."

Joyce Evans said, "I left there knowing for certain that our faiths could make us closer to each other. Praying with the Muslims can't take anything away from Catholicism. In fact, it enhances my Catholicism to honor them and work with them."

She continued, "You can read about Islam in a book, but to see the fervor of their devotion really touched me and I came away being a better Catholic."

Most of the worshippers at Masjid Al-Noor are Sunni Muslims, although Shiites are welcome and constitute a small percentage of the congregation, according to Imam Khan. There is no official membership roll, he said, so it is hard to estimate the size of the congregation.

The worship community represents 26 different countries and includes a small number of converts. Imam Khan is a Pakistani who holds master's degrees in Arabic and Islamic studies. He has a full-time association with the mosque.

Atonement Father James J. Gardiner, director of the Graymoor Spiritual Life Center, organized the visits, which came out of a December 2006 event at the center.

"At our Advent vespers, we invited people from different traditions to speak. We had Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Christian Missionary Alliance and Muslim speakers," he said. "At the time, Umar H. Ahmad was the president of the Mid-Hudson Islamic Association, which worships at Masjid Al-Noor.

"Dr. Ahmad spoke 'In Praise of Mary' and at the end of his talk he invited the participants to visit his mosque, attend services and enjoy fellowship with the imam and other members of the congregation," the priest said. So two visits were scheduled in July.

Imam Khan expressed interest in making a reciprocal visit to Graymoor. "Quran tells us that how you deal with your neighbors is very important," he said.


TOPICS: Catholic; Islam; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostacy; franciscan; heresy; islam; mosque; ny; sellouts; sheeruttermadness
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1 posted on 08/13/2007 4:37:19 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Speechless!


2 posted on 08/13/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Why not just drive down to Ground Zero, that’s lesson enough.


3 posted on 08/13/2007 4:39:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer
Were there any Chemistry classes?

ML/NJ

4 posted on 08/13/2007 4:40:00 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: NYer

I read about a Dutch bishop urging Catholics to call God allah. We’re not far from that situation here. Muslims hi-5ing each other again for the umpteenth time. I never thought the west was that easy to conquer.


5 posted on 08/13/2007 4:45:24 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: NYer
She continued, "You can read about Islam in a book, but to see the fervor of their devotion really touched me and I came away being a better Catholic or you can wait until they knock on your door wanting to convert or kill you."
6 posted on 08/13/2007 4:46:31 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Democrats In Control! (Where's my friggin' free stuff?))
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To: NYer

I would imagine that hoards of Muslims couldn’t wait to attend Church and learn about Jesus Christ in the spirit of fairness........NOT


7 posted on 08/13/2007 4:46:32 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: wagglebee

I would not go.


8 posted on 08/13/2007 4:46:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

I thought we Catholics were discouraged from this kind of thing? Am I wrong?


9 posted on 08/13/2007 4:47:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation

Me, either.


10 posted on 08/13/2007 4:49:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

One,
Holy,
Catholic,
Apostolic


11 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

To Ground Zero or a mosque?


12 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

Can’t wait for the members of the Religion of Peace to go to a Catholic church, bless themselves with Holy Water, genuflect before the altar of God, and then sit in a pew. I don’t think that will ever happen. They’d sooner cut the head off the hapless stooge that followed them to the mosque to get some diversity training. Hogwash on the whole idea!


13 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:14 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: NYer

do these loons not know the life of Saint Francis? Saint Francis wore the Crusader’s cross. Francis went to the Holy Land to convert the muslims or die trying. Do these people not know of Saint Clare and the Saracens?


14 posted on 08/13/2007 4:50:23 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat (Count your blessings)
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To: NYer

they were lucky to come back alive


15 posted on 08/13/2007 4:51:58 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: NYer
I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years.
I started attending Mass daily OVER THERE. Lol.
Whooda thunk I would have gotten the "spirit" over there? In fact, my Muslim boss paved the way.
16 posted on 08/13/2007 4:52:10 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: wagglebee
You are so right!

My polyglot, bi-ritual (Maronite and Roman Rite) pastor, who hails from Lebanon, attended a seminar not long ago, given by a convert to Islam. It was held at a local Catholic college. He listened to the spiel of the presenter on the pacifist nature of Islam and waited for the Q & A session. Dressed in his clericals, the moment she asked for questions, he shot his arm up in the air. When called upon, he opened the Q'uran, cited a particular sura and asked why Moslems were required to persecute christians. The members of the audience stared intently at the presenter, awaiting her response. She suggested that book from which he was reading was a poor translation from the original text. With that, he opened up the Q'uran in Arabic and reread the same sura. All those heads focused on him now turned towards the presenter. Her face turned a violent shade of red, she mumbled something in Arabic and moved on to the next question. Father patiently waited for the lull in questions to raise his hand again. She totally ignored him, at which point he handed his question to another Arabic speaking member of our community.

There is only one thing to understand about Islam. It is a heresy!.

17 posted on 08/13/2007 4:54:03 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Or of the Miracle of Lepanto?


18 posted on 08/13/2007 4:55:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Everything we need to know about islam can be learned from any one of their many beheading videos.


19 posted on 08/13/2007 4:56:08 PM PDT by LilAngel (No blood for quislings)
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To: wagglebee

I would not go to a mosque.

Would be more than happy to visit Ground Zero!


20 posted on 08/13/2007 4:56:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

We have obviously lost our collective mind.

Peace on their terms is the only peace we will get from these people.


21 posted on 08/13/2007 5:01:18 PM PDT by ducdriver ("Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." GKC)
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To: NYer

EVERYTHING I suspected about Islam — was confirmed on Sept. 11

It confirmed what I had read about the history of Islam and the rest of the world....

Also - the reaction and comments from Islamic spokespersons since that date - and continued subsequent outrages committed by militant Islamists almost daily, further validates my understanding.

Islam is a cult, containing uncounted members desiring our subjugation and the destruction of life as we know it..

It will be a case of we destroy them, or they destroy us..
It’s really as simple as that...
To attempt to make it more complex, is an exercise in self deception...


22 posted on 08/13/2007 5:01:22 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: NYer

Were there any survivors?


23 posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:02 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: 353FMG
I read about a Dutch bishop urging Catholics to call God allah.

Unless this was a Chaldean, Melkite or Maronite Catholic Church (Allah is Arabic for God), the pastor had NO business doing so.

We’re not far from that situation here. Muslims hi-5ing each other again for the umpteenth time.

In my part of NYS, the local area bishop is closing down Churches and schools. Meanwhile, only a few hundred feet away from the Knights of Columbus Council, the local muslims are erecting a 2 minaret mosque!

I never thought the west was that easy to conquer.

Societal excesses have created fattened calfs. Being Muslim in the US is now, as the French would say, 'de rigueur'.

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

24 posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Whenever a righteous person in the Bible was visited by an angel, the FIRST thing the angel did was to ensure that they were not afraid.

According to Muhammad, when he was visited by an “angel” he was terrified and remained that way for several days. I have no doubt that he had a visitation, but it WAS NOT from an angel of God.


25 posted on 08/13/2007 5:04:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Great point.


26 posted on 08/13/2007 5:21:46 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: NYer
Imam Khan expressed interest in making a reciprocal visit to Graymoor. "Quran tells us that how you deal with your neighbors is very important," he said.

Uh oh...

27 posted on 08/13/2007 5:40:18 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: trisham
I thought we Catholics were discouraged from this kind of thing? Am I wrong?

We can't even get 435 elected Representatives of the American people to think like Americans much less a billion Catholics to think like Catholics.

28 posted on 08/13/2007 5:47:09 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter 2008)
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To: NYer
I have begun to understand the importance that we Catholics return to calling it not Islam but Mohammedanism.
29 posted on 08/13/2007 5:56:50 PM PDT by civis ("Paging Hillaire Belloc!")
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To: Nihil Obstat

No. Who would tell them?


30 posted on 08/13/2007 6:17:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer
Women are not required to interrupt their routines to go to the mosque for Friday prayer.

LOL! What a tactful way of saying that women are not welcome at "Friday prayer."

The Graymoor Franciscans, like most Franciscans, have mush for brains. They were originally Anglicans and then became Catholics at some point. They run a recovery center for alcholics, and do much valuable work that way.

But when you remember that St. Francis set off to preach to and convert the Muslims (with little success, but they were so stunned by his audacity that they let him go), and then look at modern day Franciscans, many of whom dabble in syncretism, you just want to scream. I do, at least.

31 posted on 08/13/2007 6:23:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

Wow, what a total waste of time. I saw the word “diversity” mentioned in the article and that about summed it up for me. Wacky Catholics on a diversity feel good trip.


32 posted on 08/13/2007 6:29:31 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: civis

‘not Islam but Mohammedanism.’ — and why would that be a good idea? I am curious.


33 posted on 08/13/2007 7:16:49 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: NYer
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam

If someone had told me that some New York Catholics went on
an incommunicado space trip since 9-10-2001, I wouldn't believe them.

BUT, I might say "I guess they got back to Earth safely and have
recently been frequenting mosques."
34 posted on 08/13/2007 7:31:43 PM PDT by VOA
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In 1998-2000 I had a Muslim co-worker who I told frequently I'd like to go to mosque with, but he always came up with one excuse or another. That always struck me as a little strange...until 9/11.

Now let me guess what the talk was in there.

35 posted on 08/13/2007 7:53:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NYer

that’s awesome.


36 posted on 08/13/2007 8:19:09 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (libera nos a malo)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; vox_freedom

Crisis in the Church? What crisis in the Church?


37 posted on 08/13/2007 8:24:40 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer

Click Here or on above image for information on the book
or
Click here to watch a video by the author
38 posted on 08/13/2007 8:29:57 PM PDT by B-Cause (“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free!”)
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To: NYer

How touchingly multi-cultural //sarc off//


39 posted on 08/13/2007 9:19:57 PM PDT by California Desert Rat (Liberals & Democrats: Al Qaeda's bedmates)
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To: NYer
"The thing that struck me," said Dan Donnelly, "was the commonality that pervades. We have significant doctrinal differences. They don't believe in the Trinity or in the divinity of Jesus, but we have a common father who created us and we should all love one another."

If it weren't for that meddling Jesus, we could all be friends!

How stupid can a "c"atholic be, so as to not know that Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, and find any reason to attend a mosque. It is sad when a supposed Catholic does not know how the Church in North Africa was decimated by force who knows that apartheid is alive in well in most Muslim nations.

How can one find common cause with someone who denies the divinity of Jesus while 21st century martyrs call out with blood?
40 posted on 08/14/2007 4:41:07 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: NYer

41 posted on 08/14/2007 4:44:57 AM PDT by sono (“This concludes our coverage.” Finally, Overbite speaks sense.)
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To: NYer

they learnt... how to destroy it ?


42 posted on 08/14/2007 5:08:30 AM PDT by drzz
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He later explained that Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet, but not divine.

And thus the religion of islam is BLASPHEMOUS to ALL Christians no matter their denomination.

I wonder if the muslims from Wappinger's Falls (only a few miles down the road from me!) will be going to Mass at the church in Garrision? Ugh. This is sickening...I can safely say that if the imam from the giant mosque at Lexington and 95th St called my bishop at my cathedral on Park & 93rd to have a field trip my bishop would tell him to get lost.

43 posted on 08/14/2007 5:17:24 AM PDT by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Salvation

The local mosque in our town had an “open house” a couple of weeks ago and invited local churches to come and learn about islam. Our priest thought that I would be a good candidate to attend this event. I politely declined. Seriously - what would be accomplished by me attending?

And this is in a small town of about 7000 people. I’m sure the event went over like a lead balloon.


44 posted on 08/14/2007 5:22:12 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: B-Cause

Thank you very much for those links! The video should be required viewing for all christians!


45 posted on 08/14/2007 5:54:49 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Wappingers Falls is loaded with all ex city folk who ran up the line. These people are their own worst enemy. Sick indeed.


46 posted on 08/14/2007 5:57:45 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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"Dr. Ahmad spoke 'In Praise of Mary' and at the end of his talk

Bishop Sheen believed that the miracle of Fatima would be the bridge that would bring Mohammedans to Christianity, since Mary enjoys an exalted position within Mohammedanism, and Fatima was Mohammed's daughter.

47 posted on 08/14/2007 5:59:11 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: trisham
I thought we Catholics were discouraged from this kind of thing? Am I wrong?

Praying with them would probably be wrong. Attending and observing would be OK. Exactly what happened is unclear to me.

48 posted on 08/14/2007 6:01:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NYer
With that, he opened up the Q'uran in Arabic and reread the same sura. All those heads focused on him now turned towards the presenter. Her face turned a violent shade of red, she mumbled something in Arabic and moved on to the next question.

The truth will set you free.

49 posted on 08/14/2007 6:02:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: wagglebee
According to Muhammad, when he was visited by an “angel” he was terrified and remained that way for several days. I have no doubt that he had a visitation, but it WAS NOT from an angel of God.

And then consider the nature and fruits of Mohammedanism. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mohammed was visited by the "light-bringer."

50 posted on 08/14/2007 6:07:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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