Posted on 08/13/2007 4:37:16 PM PDT by NYer
That is the better title to call them or Moslims.
Or it goes to show how little regards Islam has for women it does not suprise me.
"The thing that struck me," said Dan Donnelly, "was the commonality that pervades. We have significant doctrinal differences. They don't believe in the Trinity or in the divinity of Jesus, but we have a common father who created us and we should all love one another."
It's ony the divinity of Christ...no big deal, right?
This priest is unappreciated by the Lebanese parishioners who make unrealistic demands on him. Two years ago, the grandson of a parishioner lay practically lifeless in Boston Children's Hospital. The parents had expended no expense in attempting to salvage the life of their first born child. After 15 hours of surgery the top physicians in the country told them that every know procedure in modern science had been used to save his life and it was now time to pull the life support.
They called the pastor. Now, imagine this. He had just returned from a 5 day mandatory conference and retreat. It was the one week each year when we celebrate our patron St. Ann. The Church had more Roman Catholics than Maronites attending this novena. It was his first night back. When the phone call came, he never hesitated. He apologized to those assembled for his absence due to the mandatory conference and asked their understanding for the sad situation with this family's 7 month old child. He got in his car and drove 3 1/2 hours to Boston to counsel and attend to the family in this great time of grief. He then returned to NY to make arrangements for the funeral - not at our small church (the family was quite large) - but with one of the larger RC Churches. He asked his non-salaried volunteer Secretary to have special missalettes made up for the funeral, with the baby's photo on the cover. He not only officiated at the funeral Mass but also asked our organist to provide special musical arrangements. To my dieing day, I will never forget this funeral! Following the distribution of Communion when there is that time for reflection, Doug (the organist), played Brahm's lullaby. To see that tiny white coffin in the aisle and the baby's enlarged photo on a stand in the sancturary, with physicians and medical professionals from both Albany Medical and Boston's Children's Hospital in attendance, left me in total awe of this priest!
Yet today, two years later, the same family demands more Arabic in the liturgy, a choir (we are only 35 families, most of which are aged), and other perks, has left me totally bewildered. When our Lord was crucified on Golgotha, the only disciple present was St. John. The others had all fled. This is the situation in our small parish. Here is an extraordinary priest who speaks 8 languages fluently and has worked industriously to build up this parish, yet some of the parishioners simply take him for granted. I spend countless hours praying for him; especially that he will not cave to these ungrateful people. I trust in my heart that our Lord sent me to this parish to assist him with his plans to grow it and render the parish akin to any of its RC cousins.
Please remember Fr. Elie in your prayers!
But also from what I have read in this post it suprises me that the Lebanese parishoners REALLY make so many unrealistic demands on him. When I had read this post I thought, if it is tough just being a priest of a Latin rite parish, then it must not be so easy for a priest of a Maronite, Melkite, or any of the Eastern rites. IMHO, the demand for more Arabic is unrealistic. This is America and the liturgy can be celibrated in English. I think if my memory is correct, there is a part or parts that are done in Aramaic, or the lanugage that Jesus spoke. Plus I have seen pictures of the Maronite rite worship and it would look like it was the Latin rite with the alter and the priest facing the people.
In the end your pastor has to lay his foot down and say, kindly but firmly, no, so that he does not end up burning out. It is great that he can be a priest in both the Maronite as well as Latin rite. Also I never thought this parish community was a small one, I thought there were more parishoners. The family in question should be thankful that at least Father Elie was able to get a larger Latin rite parish to be able to accomadate the funeral liturgy. When help is asked, like it was in my home state, CT, when there was a Ukranian rite parish church building that was distroyed in a propane gas explosion and since rebuilted, they had to used a Latin rite pasrish for their worship while the new church was being built. The family should be thankful for the help that this pastor offered and not make unrealistic demands.
May God also bless you in your efforts to be the best parishoner of your adopted parish.
That is very sad, and I will pray for him.
I love the Byzantine Rite and the liturgies are stunningly beautiful, but there is often a problem with people from the “homeland” of the liturgy in question when they are in the US. They still regard it as their possession, something that is all about their former country and not about God. Certainly, this is not true of all of them, but it is something that I have seen happen before.
From reading your posts regularly, I know how hard you (and he, of course) have worked to get this parish going. I hope these people come to their senses; he sounds truly wonderful, the kind of priest most parishes would do anything to get, and it is terrible to think that this is the response of some of the people. It is very sad indeed.
The greatness of the different Eastern rites are the different liturgies. These special parishes are rare gems indeed and that is why it would sadden me when people from the places where those rites originated would place unreal expectations on the pastor or be hostle to those not from the country of origins.
Good point! At Mass today, Father spoke about the scandals being on the front pages, but the fact that there are martyrs is nowhere to be found. He was tactful though - cited Asia Minor, Asia Proper and Africa.
Just did a Google search under the main website for the Maronite rite on the east coast and found the parish of St. Ann. It just has an e-mail address and the regular address. It is a small parish.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/040907
The Catholic Church throughout Northern Africa was virtually destroyed by Moslem power and at the present time (circa 1950), the Moslems are beginning to rise again.
If Moslemism is a heresy, as Hilaire Belloc believes it to be, it is the only heresy that has never declined, either in numbers, or in the devotion of its followers.
The missionary effort of the Church toward this group has been, at least on the surface, a failure, for the Moslems are so far almost unconvertible. The reason is that for a follower of Mohammed to become a Christian is much like a Christian becoming a Jew. The Moslems believe that they have the final and definitive revelation of God to the world and that Christ was only a prophet announcing Mohammed, the last of God's real prophets.
Today (1950), the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world Power.
I recall reading something else of his that was less than flattering towards the Muslims. If I can ever find it again, I will ping you to my posting of it. I just have so many of his books...
>The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. If we live like Christ calls us to live, Islam will fall apart and all will become Christians. If we live by the sword, we will die by the sword. Even if we are just defending ourselves. St. Peter had to put his sword away upon Christ’s bidding. I am not saying lay it all down ... just be open to more peaceful solutions ... we may surprise ourselves and find Christ in those other solutions.
Luke 22:36
And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
Jesus suggested defense, not pacifism. Pacifism leads to slaughter of your loved ones. If you are bringing the gospel, then let your martyrdom be your witness to the faith that is inside you.
I can't argue with that. That's my take on Mohammedanism too. But if there is any hope for their conversion, perhaps it lies in the message of Fatima.
At one time, it was a very large parish. That was when the community drew immigrants from Lebanon. The parish celebrated its centennial 2 years ago.
Now I understand why first Saturday devotions never really went away, they have a new use for now, with the dangers of Islamofacism.
Also was this the same parish that not too long ago bought a former Methodist church building and not only refurbish it to preserve its history but to make like a Maronite rite parish?
Also that happens when a parish when it has a “history” which starts out, because it is the only one will be large. When new parishes spin off from the original, the original tends to get smaller and more often, older. It happens so often in the Latin rite parishes.
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Ping me when you have the headline “NY Muslims visit church, learn about Jesus”
Arrrgghhh!! Christians do NOT belong in a mosque. Let the infidels come to church first and experience the Savior’s forgiveness and healing.
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