Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation
The Mass in its current form goes back to the 1st century.
What sort of worship dost thou engage in? Art thou familiar with the contours of thy navel?
As I, in fact, already knew, Mark denies saying that you are hellbound. If you can prove Mark a liar, I invite you to, otherwise I will have to believe that someone else is lying.
Any good Catholic knows that God is the sole judge of the soul.
I really question your blaming of the Catholics on this forum for not joining the Catholic Church. We do know our apologetics and do challenge the wrongful misinterpretations of scripture by many Protestants.
We call it YOPIOS. The definition is above. Many Protestants who claim sola scriptura beliefs lapse into their own interpretations rather than that of their church.
Fortunately the Catholic Church has one interpretation, and that is why we put it out here all the time. I’m sure we make sense, but that some do not want to accept because their minds are already made up against the Catholic Church.
I wish you the best in your journey. You may be surprised where it takes you.
I’m sorry, I just have to ask; is the Evangelical Free Church free of evangelicals or are the evangelicals free?
You got that right.
You guys are doing a great job on that thread. I have learned a lot.
You really believe that stuff?
Well, unfortunately, with the help of Scripture, writings of the 1st century, and other such crap, we find that the Mass has its beginnings almost immediately after Christ Ascended.
Sorry if it offends.
I owe so much to the Catholic heavy lifters who have done so much over these threads. I also owe a large debt to the anti Catholics who have challenged me to go even further and understand Christ’s Church on Earth and the great Mission to which she is sent.
I have become a much stronger Christian in the short time in which I have lurked and then posted on FR. I thank you all, even the unhappy people that think that I’m nasty to them and pick on them and make them feel bad.
Do you really believe the Bible? If so, why? Where did the canon of the Bible come from?
“The only reason that the Reformation succeeded was because of personal greed, power and ego.
You got that right.”
Neither Calvin nor Luther died a beggar.
I said it was part of the reason. I'd be a fool to make posts on the Religion forum the sole deciding factor. But aside from what I see as false doctrine (none of it so seriously false that I'd call you a heretic, in spite of what I've been called), I see a a lack of focus on Christ -- and that's what really bothers me.
I take chosing a new church very seriously. I can't attend my old denomination, so I'm looking very carefully at other churches. I don't like what I see from Catholics. It's all about their church, not Christ. A Catholic has never asked me what I believe -- only what church I attend. You included.
I'll take sola scriptura any day. Should I trust the word of God or corrupt popes? (Popes of the past -- I don't think Benedict is corrupt, nor was John Paul II.) Should I trust the church fathers -- even when they disagreed with one another? Should I trust the San Francisco archbishop who gave holy communion to gay men dressed as clownish nuns? You think you're immune from error -- you're not. Like most people who think they're free of danger, they're actually more susceptible to it.
As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.
I sincerely thank you for wishing me the best on my journey.
“Maybe what Saint Malachy really meant is that it’s simply the end of the Catholic Church. Perhaps they’ll come to an understanding Calvin was right and become Reformed.”
It might be so, but for the references to the gates of hell and all that nonsense. Sorry, we’ll just have to continue hoisting the banner of Christianity and leading all the Reformed and the others who have stomped off in a snit to the Promised Land.
**I see a a lack of focus on Christ — and that’s what really bothers me.**
Oh, my goodness! You could not be further from the truth!
Our entire liturgy is focused on Christ. Have you ever attended a Mass (with a good homilist of course!)??
If you haven’t, you don’t know that most of the prayers that the priest says during the Mass are directly from Scripture.
The first part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Word — focusing on usually the Old Testament, with a reading from any of the Old Testament books. The first reading sometimes has connections with the Gospel. (This last Sunday — the story of the cure of Naaman, the leper, from 2 Kings)
Next comes a Psalm — with either spoken or sung responses to the Psalm for that day. Again straight from the Bible.
Then we have the second readings — many times a reading from one of St. Paul’s letters — this last Sunday, it was from St. Paul to Timothy as quoted in 2 Timothy.
The last part of the Liturgy of the Word is the Gospel. This last Sunday’s Gospel was the story of the curing of ten lepers with only one, a Samaritan, coming back to thank Christ from Luke. (See the connection with the First Readings?)
The second part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is totally focused on Christ, starting with prayers to refocus our attention on the Eucharist, then quotes from the Last Supper, the consecration of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ and Communion, then a thanksgiving prayer.. I will post some links for you in the next post to explain this part.
Catholics, indeed, are focused on Christ — more than many Protestants realize.
I would not be teaching a Bible Study on the Book of Matthew right now if I didn’t believe that Christ is the center of ............our Church. Or attending daily Mass.......... or spearheading an effort to support vocations, ...........or evangelizing in my community, or.............
How does this line up with what you believe?
**As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.**
Exactly what are you speaking about here. Too general of a statement.
Institution of the Real Presence(Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Bread -- Big B or Little b? [The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist]
The Eucharist: The Sacred Adventure of Life
Early Christians on the Holy Eucharist
Holy Father stresses Need of Devotion to Holy Eucharist outside of Mass: Pope Paul VI
The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]
The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist
The Reverence due to the Holy Eucharist
New rules on the Holy Eucharist on Holy Thursday
Devotion to the Holy Eucharist Advances Devotion to Jesus' Person
Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)
CATHOLICS AND BAPTISTS WITNESSED UNUSUAL IMAGES IN BLESSED SACRAMENT
The Discipline of the Eucharist Holy See Releases Redemptionis Sacramentum...
Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament
THE HOLY EUCHARIST: NOURISHMENT TO FINISH OUR COURSE
LITANY OF REPARATION TO OUR LORD IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT
The Disposition of Priests [Valid Mass, Valid Holy Eucharist?]
Grace of the Eucharist is secret to holy priests, says Pope
Area worshipers march to celebrate Holy Eucharist
Custody of Holy Land Concludes Year of Eucharist - In Capernaum, Site of a Key Discourse
Gift Of Life, Gift Eternal: The Most Holy Eucharist and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS THE WHOLE CHRIST
The Catholic Doctrine of the Real PresenceCatholic Caucus)
This is My Body, This is My Blood
Prayer Before the Blessed Sacrament
A series of reflections from St. Peter Julian Eymard Blessed Sacrament(Catholic Caucus)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharistic Mystery [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharist (Real Presence) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
“A Catholic has never asked me what I believe — only what church I attend.”
Just because I was curious, I went and read some of your previous posts on other threads, all I saw was criticism of the Catholic Church.
Seriously, we’re supposed to care about your theology? Why? It is obvious that you have no respect for ours.
You're a riot, tiki. You make jokes about the name of the church I used to attend and then pretend you actually give a rip about my beliefs.
If you read carefully through my old posts you may come across one in which I said that in my search for a church I decided to go to the Religion forum at FR because I thought it would be good to find out about various churches from like-minded conservatives.
But going through the posts I found attack after sick attack on Protestants. I'm sorry if I'm not the mushy Milquetoast type you'd prefer. When I read an outrageous attack, I respond to it.
If you -- again -- really read my posts you'll also see that I hate the uncalled-for nasty attacks some Protestants make on Catholics.
Don't pretend that your lack of interest in my beliefs has anything to do with my posts. You didn't show any interest before you read them.
The main guideline is always this: discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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