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To: Salvation
I really question your blaming of the Catholics on this forum for not joining the Catholic Church.

I said it was part of the reason. I'd be a fool to make posts on the Religion forum the sole deciding factor. But aside from what I see as false doctrine (none of it so seriously false that I'd call you a heretic, in spite of what I've been called), I see a a lack of focus on Christ -- and that's what really bothers me.

I take chosing a new church very seriously. I can't attend my old denomination, so I'm looking very carefully at other churches. I don't like what I see from Catholics. It's all about their church, not Christ. A Catholic has never asked me what I believe -- only what church I attend. You included.

I'll take sola scriptura any day. Should I trust the word of God or corrupt popes? (Popes of the past -- I don't think Benedict is corrupt, nor was John Paul II.) Should I trust the church fathers -- even when they disagreed with one another? Should I trust the San Francisco archbishop who gave holy communion to gay men dressed as clownish nuns? You think you're immune from error -- you're not. Like most people who think they're free of danger, they're actually more susceptible to it.

As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.

I sincerely thank you for wishing me the best on my journey.

192 posted on 10/15/2007 7:49:56 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: Glenmerle

**I see a a lack of focus on Christ — and that’s what really bothers me.**

Oh, my goodness! You could not be further from the truth!

Our entire liturgy is focused on Christ. Have you ever attended a Mass (with a good homilist of course!)??

If you haven’t, you don’t know that most of the prayers that the priest says during the Mass are directly from Scripture.

The first part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Word — focusing on usually the Old Testament, with a reading from any of the Old Testament books. The first reading sometimes has connections with the Gospel. (This last Sunday — the story of the cure of Naaman, the leper, from 2 Kings)

Next comes a Psalm — with either spoken or sung responses to the Psalm for that day. Again straight from the Bible.

Then we have the second readings — many times a reading from one of St. Paul’s letters — this last Sunday, it was from St. Paul to Timothy as quoted in 2 Timothy.

The last part of the Liturgy of the Word is the Gospel. This last Sunday’s Gospel was the story of the curing of ten lepers with only one, a Samaritan, coming back to thank Christ from Luke. (See the connection with the First Readings?)

The second part of the Mass is the Liturgy of the Eucharist which is totally focused on Christ, starting with prayers to refocus our attention on the Eucharist, then quotes from the Last Supper, the consecration of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ and Communion, then a thanksgiving prayer.. I will post some links for you in the next post to explain this part.

Catholics, indeed, are focused on Christ — more than many Protestants realize.

I would not be teaching a Bible Study on the Book of Matthew right now if I didn’t believe that Christ is the center of ............our Church. Or attending daily Mass.......... or spearheading an effort to support vocations, ...........or evangelizing in my community, or.............

How does this line up with what you believe?


194 posted on 10/15/2007 8:10:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

**As for the Catholic Church having only one interpretation, anyone with even the faintest knowledge of history knows that is false.**

Exactly what are you speaking about here. Too general of a statement.


195 posted on 10/15/2007 8:11:52 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle
The Meal of Melchizedek

Institution of the Real Presence(Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

Bread -- Big B or Little b? [The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist]

The Eucharist: The Sacred Adventure of Life

EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

Early Christians on the Holy Eucharist

Holy Father stresses Need of Devotion to Holy Eucharist outside of Mass: Pope Paul VI

The Fourth Cup: The Sacrament of the Eucharist [Holy Thursday] [Passover]

The Holy Face of Jesus Christ as appeared on the Holy Eucharist

The Reverence due to the Holy Eucharist

New rules on the Holy Eucharist on Holy Thursday

Devotion to the Holy Eucharist Advances Devotion to Jesus' Person

Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)

CATHOLICS AND BAPTISTS WITNESSED UNUSUAL IMAGES IN BLESSED SACRAMENT

The Discipline of the Eucharist Holy See Releases Redemptionis Sacramentum...

Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament

THE HOLY EUCHARIST: NOURISHMENT TO FINISH OUR COURSE

LITANY OF REPARATION TO OUR LORD IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT

The Disposition of Priests [Valid Mass, Valid Holy Eucharist?]

Grace of the Eucharist is secret to holy priests, says Pope

Area worshipers march to celebrate Holy Eucharist

Custody of Holy Land Concludes Year of Eucharist - In Capernaum, Site of a Key Discourse

Gift Of Life, Gift Eternal: The Most Holy Eucharist and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass

THE HOLY EUCHARIST IS THE WHOLE CHRIST

The Catholic Doctrine of the Real PresenceCatholic Caucus)

This is My Body, This is My Blood

Prayer Before the Blessed Sacrament

A series of reflections from St. Peter Julian Eymard Blessed Sacrament(Catholic Caucus)

196 posted on 10/15/2007 8:12:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Mass (Sacred Liturgy) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharistic Mystery [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Eucharist (Real Presence) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

197 posted on 10/15/2007 8:14:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Glenmerle

“A Catholic has never asked me what I believe — only what church I attend.”

Just because I was curious, I went and read some of your previous posts on other threads, all I saw was criticism of the Catholic Church.

Seriously, we’re supposed to care about your theology? Why? It is obvious that you have no respect for ours.


198 posted on 10/15/2007 8:24:33 PM PDT by tiki
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