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Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
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Posted on 10/14/2007 8:25:58 PM PDT by Salvation

Saint Malachy 
Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world.

Note: The Church does not lean on private revelation for doctrinal matters, but it does not oppose to the faithful obtaining benefit from them so long as they don't go against our faith.  

This analysis focuses on the last five Popes in the context of the prophecies of Saint Malachy.

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Saint Malachy was born in Amagh Ireland in 1094, he lived a religious life as a monk, then he was ordained priest and finally Bishop. He was canonized in 1199 by Pope Clement III. His biography was compiled by Saint Bernard, a contemporaneous saint.

He made a pilgrimage to Rome and during the end of the year 1139 and the beginning of 1140 had a series of visions about 112 Popes from Celestine III, elected Pontiff in 1130 until the last Pope who is described in his list as Peter Romanus.

After the last Roman Pontiff, Saint Malachy predicts the end of the world.

The Benedictine historian Arnold Wion was the first person to mention these prophecies in his book Lignum Vitae, published in 1559.

These prophecies are short, but they have demonstrated to be very accurate, even though in the time of their publication they caused much controversy as some claimed that they were falsified.

The book of prophecies of Saint Malachy was published originally in 1969 by Colin Smythe Ltd. in England, with the title "Prophecies of St. Malachy and St. Columbkille."

Tan Books published the book in the United States in 1973 with the title "Prophecies of Saint Malachy" its author is Peter Bander.

The foreword reads like this:

In publishing THE PROPHECIES OF SAINT MALACHY, Colin Smythe Limited have produced an instructive and entertaining book.

There is great deal of instant information in Peter Bander's nutshell biographical accounts of the popes who occupied the Roman See since the year 1143 to our present time - and indeed of the antipopes as well. The remarkable way in which the visions St Malachy is alleged to have had, are shown to apply to the succesive individual popes is most amusing. Is it not the case to repeat: "Se non e vero, e ben trovato"? (If it is not true, it is well rhymed)

Whatever one may think of the genuineness of the prophecies attributed to Saint Malachy, here is a fascinating study which provides the curious reader with much profit and pleasure.

Archbishop H.E. Cardinale
Apostolic Nuncio to Belgium and Luxemburg, until recently Apostolic Delegate to Great Britain.

It is curious to think that whenever there is a Conclave, the Cardinals read these prophecies of the saint, and even though they are not ecclesiastic authority they give an idea of what has happen and of what is to occur.

Prophecies of Saint Malachy

This study is an analysis based on private revelation and observations of what is taking place now. It is not to be taken as an official position of the Church. It is good to remind us of the words of the Lord: "stay awake."

The last five popes are mentioned with the following titles: 
Flos Florum
De medietate Lunae
De Labore Solis
Gloria Olivae
Petrus Romanus


Flos Florum - Flower of flowers

Saint Malachy Prophecies, Popes, end of the worldPope Paul VI 
Pontiff from 1963 to 1978. 

Giovanni Battista Montini. In his coat of arms there are three "fleurs de lis"

With great success he concluded Vatican Council II, he made rigorous reforms to the Roman Curia, he traveled the five continents and was called peregrine pope .  In 1965 he was well received and accepted at his address to the UN. Author of the encyclicals
opulorum progressio (1967), Humanae vitae July 24, 1968. He died in August 6, 1978, feast of the Transfiguration.

De medietate Lunae - Of the half moon

Saint Malachy Prophecies,Popes, end of the worldPapa Juan Pablo I ' Abino Luciani
Pontiff for 33 days.

He was born on 17 of October 1912 in Forno di Canale, called now Canale de Agordo, he was baptized the same day by his midwife, for fear of his death, he was later baptized by a priest.

After a life dedicated to the Church as a priest, he was elected Pope during the second day of the Conclave in August 26, 1978. He died of cardiac attack in September 28 1978, thirty three days after the beginning of his papacy.

"De la media luna" Of the half moon is a very accurate description regarding his beginning and also his short pontificate. Even his name Abino Luciani means white light, it has been mentioned that the most important events of his life took place in dates of half moon.


De Labore Solis -
From the toil of the sun - or - Of the eclipse of the sun.

Pope  John Paul II 
Pontiff from 1978 to 2005

This description fits John Paul II perfectly, since he emerged as a especial light for the Catholic Church, promoting the faith from all angles. The works of John Paul II were truly the work of God, the labor of the sun.

The second meaning of "De labore solis" is a solar eclipse, in which the sun seems to struggle in order to give its light. Perhaps the fact that John Paul II, was a very Marian Pope who had a special devotion to the Virgin Mary, the woman clothed with the sun that appears in the Apocalypse, suggests that the sun (Our Lord) has been temporarily eclipsed by the moon (Our Lady). 

John Paul II was a great humanist and peacemaker, a traveler Pope, proclaimer of the gospel in more than 130 countries throughout the world, author of many apostolic letters, encyclicals and books. Canonizer of more saints in his pontificate than any other Pope in all history. During his last years as Pope he concluded his pontificate proclaiming the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Mary and the Eucharist.

Year 1997. God the Son
Year 1998. God the Holy Spirit

Year 1999. God the Father
Year 2000 
24 December 1999 - 6 January 2001Great Jubilee. 

Year 2002-2003. Year of the Holy Rosary, institution of the Luminous mysteries.16 October 2002 - 31 October 2003
Year 2005. The Holy Eucharist.
17 October 2004 - 29 October 2005

Gloria Olivae - The Glory of the olive

Benedict XVI 
Joseph Ratzinger
Starts Pontificate in April 2005

He chose his name in honor of Saint Benedict, author of the very strict rule of the Benedictines.

His motto is "Co-worker of the Truth."

He has been known even before becoming Pope as a conservative man, ready to defend the Catholic principles that represent the truth of the teachings of Christ.

Our new Pontiff is covered under the sign of the olive according to the prophecies of St. Malachy

The branches of the olive were symbols of peace and victory for Noah after the flood. Throughout history, we know that olive branches have made crowns for kings and athletes as symbols of power and glory. The olive tree thrives in silent areas, such as the garden of olives where Jesus suffered his agony before being arrested by the soldiers.

Olive oil has anointed kings, saints, popes and in a especial way all Christians.

The leaves and the oil of the olive tree have medicinal properties, derived from the oleic acid which is an anti cancer component. The good kitchen cannot exist without olive oil. The best paints have olive oil base, to give them luster and to increase their durability.

The olive is a symbol of peace, abundance, glory and purification.

The Church has been through a period of light, and now is the the time to celebrate and pick up the fruits of the previous pontificate of John Paul. It is quite possible that they will bring many conversions and an increase in the faith especially from the young people.

With the purifying properties of the olive, our new Pontiff comes to challenge error.  He presents himself exposing the truth of our faith with a special courage, he is prepared to heal the cancer of heresy, the infection of apostasy and to promote the health of our Catholic faith.

According to the prophecies of Saint Malachy, Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope before the last one, named "Gloria Olivae" which means the glory of the olive, it is to be a time of glory and rejoicing for the true Church.   

Due to the straightforwardness of our new Pontiff, great opposition is expected, but the Spirit of God is with him and we are in good hands.

Petrus Romanus - Peter Roman

The apostle Peter was the first Pope of the Church, elected directly by our Lord Jesus Christ:

You are Peter, the rock. On this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loose in Heaven. (Matthew 16:18-19)

Peter, the same as Christ, drank of the same chalice of suffering when he died as a martyr.

The body of Christ, the Church represents our Lord Jesus Christ.

The last two pontiffs will have to face the fury of the enemy who will make a violent persecution to Christianity. Faithful as Peter, the last Pontiff will take care of his flock in the midst of the attacks of the enemy. 

2 Thessalonians 3-4 speaks of the apostasy of the last times before the second coming of Christ, when evil will be defying everything that is sacred. The man of iniquity, or the anti-Christ will take his seat in the temple of God. 

This does not necessarily means the embodiment of the devil but if could mean the evil that is being accepted broadly when human beings who are temples of the spirit of God are being desecrated by their own wickedness. 

Just as the Lord lived, taught us, gave us spiritual food and saved us by his death on the cross, the Church being the mystical body of Christ has a similar task. Therefore the church is to be persecuted, insulted and finally crucified, in preparation for the coming of the Lord.

But just as the Lord rose after his death, the Church will also be resurrected for the Glory of God.

No one knows the day nor the hour, but the Lord tells us to be ready.

The prophecies of Saint Malachy end like this:

In the persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.



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To: dangus
By that argument, Jesus is not present with us at all.

Spiritually He is present through the ministry of the Holy Spirit, but not physically. That is what the second coming means -- His second physical coming to earth.

321 posted on 10/17/2007 8:21:44 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: nanetteclaret
Glenmerle, if I have in any way contributed to your decision not to become Catholic, I most sincerely apologize. Jesus deserves so much better from me and it must grieve Him deeply if I have led someone to turn away from His Church. My witness is very poor. I have a problem with my temper and am not able to be charitable at all times. I ask you to forgive me.

Nanette, I just found this post. Please don't worry about it. I have a problem with my temper too, especially when I get passionate over a subject (as I do over this subject). Honestly, there's nothing to forgive. I feel awful that you think there is.

322 posted on 10/17/2007 8:28:47 PM PDT by Glenmerle
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To: dangus
If the Real Presence in the Eucharist was an element of the faith for the early church, then why is it missing from the Apostle's Creed in which we confess that:

"He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead."

That wording precludes any sort of belief that Jesus is/was making regular physical trips back and forth from the throne of His Father for Communion services, much less sitting in chalices and monstrances in church tabernacles.

323 posted on 10/17/2007 8:42:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Missey_Lucy_Goosey

Clearly, the distinction between must be made between the sense in which Jesus is absent, and the sense in which he is present, because you, I, and all the Church fathers recognize some sense in which he is present, and one in which he is absent.

But who says your distinction is correct?

Jesus is not present in the sense that he speaks for Himself, can pop up on camera, etc. Certainly, taking on the Greeks called the “formal accident” of bread is certainly not being here in the sense that Revelations depicts.

Now, if it were NOT the position of the early Church that Christ is obectively present in the Eucharist, then the person who DID first say that He was present would certainly be considered a heretic, an idolator, etc. Yet, with all the debate about the nature of Christ (dualism, monarchism, monophytism, etc.), no-one ever seems to take issue with what would be outrageous statements.

Now, Protestants such as Missey_Lucy_Goosey claim to have studied Church Fathers like Justin Martyr. She reads Justin as denying the presence because he clarifies that Christians aren’t cannibals. But here’s what Justin says: “For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.”


324 posted on 10/18/2007 4:48:37 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; Missey_Lucy_Goosey
Now, if it were NOT the position of the early Church that Christ is obectively present in the Eucharist, then the person who DID first say that He was present would certainly be considered a heretic, an idolator, etc. Yet, with all the debate about the nature of Christ (dualism, monarchism, monophytism, etc.), no-one ever seems to take issue with what would be outrageous statements.

Not necessarily so. Remember that most people of the day were illiterate, and had little access to the writings of Justin Martyr, et al, and could care less what He wrote. Just because he says so does not mean it was the sentiment of the day. It was merely his sentiment at that particular moment and for many of these guys their opinions vacillated with time.

It wasn't until a false teaching began to gain popularity that it was addressed and not necessarily in a lengthy dissertation that few would read. These would have been addressed orally by preaching the scriptures from the pulpit or by a simple memorizable scriptural creed.

All we know for sure is that perhaps by the middle of the 2nd century, the fundamentals of the faith that were on the lips of of the faithful were embodied in the Apostles Creed. And not only is the Real Presence not found therein, but there is/was no room for it at all for those who believed the Creed's words: "is seated at the right hand of the Father, and will come again to judge the living and the dead". The location of the Real Presence was/is at the right hand of His Father from whence He will come again [the second time].

325 posted on 10/18/2007 5:52:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

>> Not necessarily so. Remember that most people of the day were illiterate, and had little access to the writings of Justin Martyr, et al, and could care less what He wrote. Just because he says so does not mean it was the sentiment of the day. It was merely his sentiment at that particular moment and for many of these guys their opinions vacillated with time. <<

We’re not talking of the illiterates, here, though. While Justin Martyr was not Pope, or reporting the decisions of an ecumentical council, he was very influential. His writings are cited by (and thus implicitly endorsed by) Tatian, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Eusebius, Ephanius, Jerome, and many more Church Fathers, who were in the practice of scouring the writings of others for the hint of heresy. (Even Tertullian himself would later be regarded as heretical over arguably a finer detail.)

The attacks on the doctrines of the Church require one to equate ignorance with uncertainty, uncertainty with reasonable doubt, and reasonable doubt with a justification to consider any doctrines of the Catholic Church presumptively wrong.

Often, one can get in trouble from arguing from silence, or the dog that didn’t bark. But, in this case, Justin’s articulation of the doctrine is so unambigious, and direct, and the danger of heresy so grave, that it’s inconceivable that guardians against heresy would blindly commend Justin’s writings if it contained what would be a very blatant, grave, and explicit heresy.

What we find instead is equally explicit attestations from Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian and others. And none of these were criticized, either.


326 posted on 10/18/2007 7:50:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

Still, your facts are not in evidence by any stretch. Keep throwing it at the wall. It doesn’t stick.


327 posted on 10/18/2007 8:44:22 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Glenmerle
Cherry picking does not constitute scholarship. An accusation was made that Justin Martyr contradicted Church teaching on the Eucharist, and I provided his direct testimony as proof against that assertion. That took me all of thirty seconds to locate and respond with. Clearly, serious investigation didn't take place, just regurgitation of tired, false mantras of those who have made it their mission to destroy the Church. If you can't see the difference between belligerant, unsubstantiated claims and documentary evidence to the contrary, then I can't help you.

There is no disservice where Truth is affirmed.

You just don't like her conclusions.

They're based in error. Do you like error?

328 posted on 10/18/2007 8:58:43 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

Jesus came to fulfill the Law. He surpasses it; as God, He is the dictator.

We have understood from the beginning that what Jesus has said, He means, and we follow. The lunacy first began in the 900’s and never gained any traction until the Reformers led the merry charge into hitherto suppressed 1st century heresies and Biblical Vandalism.

Read all of the relevant accounts in the Gospels and in Acts. I suppose that your Bible does contain the Gospels; most of the older ones do. I’m not aware of the current state of availability of Montanist Bibles that are apparently quite liberally distributed to certain denominations.


329 posted on 10/18/2007 10:25:20 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

So after Peter received the keys and was instructed to feed My sheep, Jesus intended for Christianity to hungry until Saint Calvin (Peace Be Upon Him) rode up on horseback 1500 years later?


330 posted on 10/18/2007 10:27:26 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: dangus
We’re not talking of the illiterates, here, though. While Justin Martyr ... was very influential. His writings are cited by (and thus implicitly endorsed by) Tatian, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Eusebius, Ephanius, Jerome, and many more Church Fathers, who were in the practice of scouring the writings of others for the hint of heresy.

And this explains how heresy enters into the church. Justin Martyr was not exactly a paragon of Christian orthodoxy. He had his theological problems and thus when later writers cite him as an authority, instead of checking his work against scripture, one can be left with a tradition of false doctrine in the works of those who rely on him.

Just because Justin says it's so doesn't make it so. His writings were not scripture and were not always scripturally sound -- as was true of so many of the church fathers even when the apostles were still alive.

When a statement by Justin Martyr is at odds with the Apostles Creed which quotes essentially from scripture, then which one should you believe??

331 posted on 10/18/2007 11:29:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
And this explains how heresy enters into the church. Justin Martyr was not exactly a paragon of Christian orthodoxy. He had his theological problems and thus when later writers cite him as an authority, instead of checking his work against scripture, one can be left with a tradition of false doctrine in the works of those who rely on him. Just because Justin says it's so doesn't make it so. His writings were not scripture and were not always scripturally sound -- as was true of so many of the church fathers even when the apostles were still alive. When a statement by Justin Martyr is at odds with the Apostles Creed which quotes essentially from scripture, then which one should you believe??

The issue isn't whether or not the Church Fathers have the charsm of infallibility. Infallibility is only enjoyed by the papal office in teaching faith and morals. The issue is whether the universal acceptance of doctrine - in union with the Holy Father at Rome - is guarded by infallibility - and that answer is "yes". Theology is a science. A scientist may publish his findings in one research paper, do additional research, and then discover a different result, prompting a new paper which corrects his earlier findings. Since a theologian is not personally infallible, it's absurd to place an expectation of veracity upon every word consigned to print in the library of patristics. The test of veracity is not consistency of statements over the lifetime of a Church Father. The test of veracity is the universal acceptance of the doctrine as promulgated by Rome. And Rome, herself, does not simply, unilaterally decide doctrine. It takes years of consultation with theologians and bishops and reflection and prayer to determine wherein the Truth lies.

Whereas Justin Martyr may not, by himself, constitute authority, his writings are an important part of the body of evidence that this is what the Church traditionally believed from the beginning.

332 posted on 10/18/2007 12:46:44 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Uncle Chip

>> And this explains how heresy enters into the church. Justin Martyr was not exactly a paragon of Christian orthodoxy. He had his theological problems and thus when later writers cite him as an authority, instead of checking his work against scripture, one can be left with a tradition of false doctrine in the works of those who rely on him. <<

YOu see how YOPIOS (Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture) works? You consider everyone who disagrees with YOPIOS to be a heretic, so you can dismiss their viewpoint as abberational. So, when you will dismiss Tatian, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Eusebius, Ephanus, Jerome and the bunch as all heretics, why do you bother discussing the positions of the Church Fathers? Admit that you regard the study of the Church Fathers to be pointless and be done with it! But, instead, you dismiss them on the one hand, but try to cite them as consistent with your views on the other.

And what prompts this in this instance? Because Justin understood the Apostle’s Creed in a way different from your wholly uneducated, knee-jerk interpretation? (Whatever education you may have has no bearing on the fact your interpretation is uneducated.) You draw a distinction between body and spirit. So what? Do you even know that your distinction makes suspect your understanding of what the Greeks meant by ‘body’? Why is your distinction better than Justin’s? Do you even know whether he HAS a distinction? Do you care, or is this a convenient “gotcha” to disregard Justin?

So, let’s say you’re right, and Justin, Tatian, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Eusebius, Ephanus, and the entire lot are all heretics. Why would the Council of Constantinople reassert that bit about “and is seated at the right hand of the Father”? See, behind your declarations of heresy is the presumption that all those you proclaim heretics are a bunch of idiots.

Quit pretending you have any regard for the Church Fathers, if you’ll declare Justin a heretic on your own base presumption of the meaning of the Apostle’s Creed. How DARE you declare, out of your pure ignorance, that men such as St. Jerome merely took on good faith Justin’s theology, rather than checking it against scripture? You’re like a school child who has barely mastered his times table attempting to correct Einstein’s theory of relativity.

You don’t speak Greek, Latin, or Hebrew. St. Jerome was brilliant in all three. He devoted his life to translating the bible, and earnestly studied Justin Martyr as well... and you have the naked audacity to declare that “later writers cite him as an authority, instead of checking his work against scripture.”

When a statement by Justin Martyr APPEARS TO YOU to be at odds with the Apostles Creed which quotes essentially from scripture, you SHOULD presume you don’t know what you are talking about.


333 posted on 10/18/2007 1:59:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; Rutles4Ever

Ouch!!!! but you still didn’t answer the question: Which carried greater weight in the early church: the Apostles Creed or a statement by Justine Martyr??


334 posted on 10/18/2007 2:32:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

>> but you still didn’t answer the question: Which carried greater weight in the early church: the Apostles Creed or a statement by Justine Martyr?? <<

The Apostle’s Creed. My earlier point was precisely that the other Church Fathers would have been lightning fast to pick Justin’s comments to threads, had they detected the slightest whiff of heresy. The fact they did not means they found it to be in perfect harmony with the teaching of the apostles.


335 posted on 10/18/2007 3:08:40 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Rutles4Ever
Yes, that "creative literalness" allows Rome to redefine things when it suits the present agenda.

Re-define? Yes, redefine.

As I have already noted Rome has redefined what "tradition" means.

At the Council of Trent, IV Session pertaining to the establishment of dogma, and the interpretation of the Scriptures, Rome declared it must be conformed to the "unanimous consent of the fathers", and also confirmed that same principle at Vatican I.

Following is the dogmatic declaration made at Trent:

Decree Concerning The Edition And Use Of The Sacred Books

Moreover, the same holy council considering that not a little advantage will accrue to the Church of God if it be made known which of all the Latin editions of the sacred books now in circulation is to be regarded as authentic, ordains and declares that the old Latin Vulgate Edition, which, in use for so many hundred years, has been approved by the Church, be in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions held as authentic, and that no one dare or presume under any pretext whatsoever to reject it.

Furthermore, to check unbridled spirits, it decrees that no one relying on his own judgment shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Holy Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions,[5] presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, to whom it belongs to judge of their true sense and interpretation,[6] has held and holds, or even contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, even though such interpretations should never at any time be published.

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As I have already noted, Rome is in violation of that very principle as it pertains to the Roman interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19, by interpreting and teaching in a dogmatic fashion that passage established a Roman papal supremacy through Peter, which is an interpretation and teaching that is most definately contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, which has been demonstrated to be indeed the fact by the citation of several church fathers who do not interpret any Roman papal primacy at all, quite the contrary.

However, I will add a few more to make it abundantly clear that Rome violates the very principle it claimed to rely on, and did so in a self serving manner in order to claim a primacy which never existed.

Augustine:

So what does all this symbolism mean? That receptacle signifies the Church; the four lines it was hanging from are the four quarters of the earth, through which the catholic church stretches, being spread out everywhere. So all those who wish to go apart into a party, and to cut themselves off from the whole, do not belong to the sacred reality signified by the four lines. But if they don't belong to Peter's vision, neither do they do so to the keys which were given to Peter. You see, God says his holy ones are to be gathered together at the end from the four winds, because now the gospel faith is being spread abroad through all those four cardinal points of the compass. So those animals are the nations. All the Gentile nations, after all, were unclean in their errors and superstitions and lusts before Christ came; but at his coming their sins were forgiven them and they were made clean. Therefore now, after the forgiveness of sins, why should they not be received into the body of Christ, which is the Church of God, which Peter was standing for? Its clear, you see, from many places in scripture that Peter can stand for, or represent, the Church; above all from that place where it says, To you will I hand over the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Mt. 16:19). Did Peter receive these keys, and Paul not receive them? Did Peter receive them, and John and James and the other apostles not receive them? Or are the keys not to be found in the Church, where sins are being forgiven every day? But because Peter symbolically stood for the Church, what was given to him alone was given to the whole Church. So Peter represented the Church; the Church is the body of Christ.13

Remember, in this man Peter, the rock. He's the one, you see, who on being questioned by the Lord about who the disciples said he was, replied, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On hearing this, Jesus said to him, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you'...'You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven' (Mt 16:15-19). In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, 'They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; but the rock was Christ' (1 Cor 10:4). So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ.
Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.---John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327.

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Before his passion the Lord Jesus, as you know, chose those disciples of his, whom he called apostles. Among these it was only Peter who almost everywhere was given the privilege of representing the whole Church. It was in the person of the whole Church, which he alone represented, that he was privileged to hear, ‘To you will I give the keys of the kingdom of heaven’ (Mt 16:19). After all, it isn’t just one man that received these keys, but the Church in its unity. So this is the reason for Peter’s acknowledged pre–eminence, that he stood for the Church’s universality and unity, when he was told, ‘To you I am entrusting,’ what has in fact been entrusted TO ALL(emphasis mine). I mean, to show you that it is the Church which has received the keys of the kingdom of heaven, listen to what the Lord says in another place to all his apostles: ‘Receive the Holy Spirit;’ and straightway, ‘Whose sins you forgive, they will be forgiven them; whose sins you retain, they will be retained’ (Jn 20:22-23). This refers to the keys, about which it is said, ‘whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven’ (Mt 16:19). But that was said to Peter. To show you that Peter at that time stood for the universal Church, listen to what is said to him, what is said to all the faithful, the saints: ‘If your brother sins against you, correct him between you and himself alone’---John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (Hyde Park: New City, 1994), Sermons, III/8 (273-305A), On the Saints, Sermon 295.1-3, pp. 197-198

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When opposing the modalist bishop Zephyrinus of Rome who first tried to twist Matthew 16:18-19 to mean he was the supreme ruler of the church, Tertullian's interpretation of that passage is in conformity with the other church fathers in opposition to Zephyrinus' twisting of the passage, saying:

If, because the Lord has said to Peter, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church,’ ‘to thee have I given the keys of the heavenly kingdom;’ or, ‘Whatsoever thou shalt have bound or loosed in earth, shall be bound or loosed in the heavens,’ you therefore presume that the power of binding and loosing has derived to you, that is, to every Church akin to Peter, what sort of man are you, subverting and wholly changing the manifest intention of the Lord, conferring (as that intention did) this (gift) personally upon Peter? ‘On thee,’ He says, ‘will I build My church;’ and, ‘I will give thee the keys’...and, ‘Whatsoever thou shalt have loosed or bound’...In (Peter) himself the Church was reared; that is, through (Peter) himself; (Peter) himself essayed the key; you see what key: ‘Men of Israel, let what I say sink into your ears: Jesus the Nazarene, a man destined by God for you,’ and so forth. (Peter) himself, therefore, was the first to unbar, in Christ’s baptism, the entrance to the heavenly kingdom, in which kingdom are ‘loosed’ the sins that were beforetime ‘bound;’ and those which have not been ‘loosed’ are ‘bound,’ in accordance with true salvation...---(Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1951), Volume IV, Tertullian, On Modesty 21, p. 99).

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Tertullian says that the Church is built through Peter as Peter was symbolic of the entire church, as the church preaches the gospel. This preaching is how Tertullian explains the meaning of the keys. They are the declarative authority for the offer of forgiveness of sins through the preaching of the gospel. If men respond to the message they are loosed from their sins. If they reject it they remain bound in their sins. Tertullian explicitly denies that this promise can apply to anyone but Peter.

Likewise, Origen concurs with Tertullian, Augustine, Eusebius and the other church fathers I will be citing in Peter being a symbolic representative of the entire church whereas the Rock the Church is built upon is the faith Peter expressed in Christ, and the "keys" are bestowed to each and every Christian through the preaching of the Gospel. What was promised to Peter is given to all believers who truly follow Christ. They all become what Peter is, expressed in the following comments: .

Origen:
And if we too have said like Peter, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ not as if flesh and blood had revealed it unto us, but by the light from the Father in heaven having shone in our heart, we become a Peter, and to us there might be said by the Word, ‘Thou art Peter,’ etc. For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, and upon every such rock is built every word of the Church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.

But if you suppose that upon the one Peter only the whole church is built by God, what would you say about John the son of thunder or each one of the Apostles? Shall we otherwise dare to say, that against Peter in particular the gates of Hades shall not prevail, but that they shall prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? Does not the saying previously made, ‘The gates of Hades shall not prevail against it,’ hold in regard to all and in the case of each of them? And also the saying, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church?’ Are the keys of the kingdom of heaven given by the Lord to Peter only, and will no other of the blessed receive them? But if this promise, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven,’ be common to others, how shall not all things previously spoken of, and the things which are subjoined as having been addressed to Peter, be common to them? ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ If any one says this to Him...he will obtain the things that were spoken according to the letter of the Gospel to that Peter, but, as the spirit of the Gospel teaches to every one who becomes such as that Peter was. For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters...And to all such the saying of the Savior might be spoken, ‘Thou art Peter’ etc., down to the words, ‘prevail against it.’ But what is the it? Is it the rock upon which Christ builds the Church, or is it the Church? For the phrase is ambiguous. Or is it as if the rock and the Church were one and the same? This I think to be true; for neither against the rock on which Christ builds His Church, nor against the Church will the gates of Hades prevail. Now, if the gates of Hades prevail against any one, such an one cannot be a rock upon which the Christ builds the Church, nor the Church built by Jesus upon the rock---Allan Menzies, Ante–Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1951), Origen, Commentary on Matthew, Chapters 10-11

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Origen, Tertullian and Augustine are explicitly clear that the "keys" are NOT exclusively given to Peter the man, nor to the popes of Rome but to each and every true believer in Christ.

Those, along with the previous citations given earlier should suffice in demonstrating conclusively and incontrovertibly that Rome's interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 is contrary to the "unanimous teaching of the Fathers", which the above and the one's to follow are representative of the overwhelming majority of the church fathers, however, I will add a few more for good measure.

John Chrysostom speaks of James, not Peter, as possessing the chief rule and authority in Jerusalem and over the Jerusalem Council:

This (James) was bishop, as they say, and therefore he speaks last..There was no arrogance in the Church. After Peter Paul speaks, and none silences him: James waits patiently; not starts up (for the next word). No word speaks John here, no word the other Apostles, but held their peace, for James was invested with the chief rule, and think it no hardship. So clean was their soul from love of glory. Peter indeed spoke more strongly, but James here more mildly: for thus it behooves one in high authority, to leave what is unpleasant for others to say, while he himself appears in the milder part---Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume XI, Saint Chrysostom, Homilies on the Acts of the Apostles, Homily 33, pp. 205, 207

Chrysostom additionally, in concurrence with the cited above, interprets the keys given to Peter as a declarative authority to teach and preach the gospel and to extend the kingdom of God, not a primacy of jurisdiction over the other apostles and that authority was shared equally by all the apostles. Chrysostom states, for example, that John also held the authority of the keys and, like Peter, he held a universal teaching authority over the Churches throughout the world:

For the Son of thunder, the beloved of Christ, the pillar of the Churches throughout the world, who holds the keys of heaven...(Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume XIV, Saint Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of John, Homily 1.1, p. 1).

Conclusion:

The dogmatic declaration made by Rome at Trent and Vatican I that prohibits the interpretation of Scripture in a way that is "contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers" is violated by Rome itself by it's self serving eisegetical interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 which is most definitely contrary to the "unanimous teaching of the Fathers", and has led Rome to redefine "tradition" to be whatever Rome says it is.

336 posted on 10/18/2007 4:47:08 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: dangus
Justin was only asserting that they weren’t eating human meat.

LOL, but Rome asserts that it IS human meat.

337 posted on 10/18/2007 4:53:10 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

>> Rome asserts that it IS human meat. <<

Are you joking? That statement is so shockingly removed from anything resembling the truth, I can only suppose you are joking. According to Aquinas’ formulation the substance of the Eucharist changes, but the accidents do not. Accidents are the attributes and modes of a substance. When water changes to ice, several of the accidents change, but the substance remains the same (H2O). When bread changes into the Eucharist, the substance changes, but the accidents do not. The properties of meat are those which mortal flesh retains, but which aren’t common to the Eucharist.


338 posted on 10/18/2007 7:55:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; Missey_Lucy_Goosey
When bread changes into the Eucharist, the substance changes, but the accidents do not.

But how do you know that the substance has changed if the accidents always remain the same?

339 posted on 10/19/2007 9:39:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The bible. Remember that?


340 posted on 10/19/2007 10:28:36 AM PDT by dangus
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