Posted on 10/24/2007 8:18:14 AM PDT by topcat54
Thanks for the ping!
Just in time to be slaughtered by the millions in the "great tribulation". Is that what God has in mind for His "earthly people"?
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Question: Would you think it would be misleading on God’s part if He said that something was not going to happen for a very long time when, in fact, it was imminent?
Conversely, would you think it would be misleading if God said something was at hand when, in reality, it wouldn’t happen for centuries to come?
If God were communicating to God, then I can see where you could have a valid argument using the verse you’ve used. But God was communicating to MAN. God knows how to communicate with man so that man can understand and God does not tarry. Therefore, when He tells man “soon,” He means “soon.”
If you can change the meaning of “near” (in Revelation) and yet NOT change the meaning of “distant future” (in Daniel), then you can make the Bible say just about anything you want it to.
I’m fairly sure “oijkonomiva” translates as ‘economy’ in English. And you’re right, it did originally mean household stewardship.
Either way you look at it the last day will mean most people will miss God forever. Narrow is the road by Gods design.
Well, actually....just in time to turn to their Messiah, the remnant of Israel who see the deliverance of Israel by their Messiah and who, as Jesus Himself prophesied finally say, of HIM, “ blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!”
Only those who survive. Most will be dead. Bad shake for the “earthly people”.
That's even more disconcerting for your position. So then the son of perdition as God will sit in the church of God, shewing himself that he is God. Is that what's going to happen???
Makes sense from a non-trinitarian perspective. After all, it's not the Jews who worship a man as god.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
The rebuilt temple:
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
“For this reason, they *will* build a Third Temple, just as described in 2nd Thess and Revelation 11.”
Read Revelation 11 again and notice it doesn’t say “new” temple nor does John even wonder or ask the angel about this temple he was told to measure. When John didn’t understand something, he asked the angel to explain it. But he didn’t ask or make mention about this supposed “new” or “future temple.”
The reason is the temple he was told to measure was the temple he knew, the temple that was still standing but “soon” to be destroyed.
"I'm A Victor In Christ!"
Where does the quoted phrase “earthly people” come from? Sorry don’t recognize it....
Actually, since we are discussing the passages about the battle of Gog and Magog....if you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, God’s Word tells us about the ingathering of the people Israel from all over the world.....and about the group of nations from the north sweeping down through Israel as a cloud....but I haven’t found anything in those prophetic chapters which talk about the people of Israel being destroyed, wiped out, slaughtered......However, there is much about the armies that invade dying on the mountains of Israel....and them and all their war implements being buried in the land.....and that God reveals His Holiness to the nations through what happens in this great conflict as well as establishing for His people in Israel, His faithfulness in delivering them from this great military force....so that His name is no longer profaned and so that all his people he ingathered will be there for this display of His mighty saving and delivering power....and not one who should be there to witness it is left out!
(read all of ch 37, and 38, and 39 of Ezekiel...and here are the closing verses of Ezekiel 39):
“21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. 22 From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.
25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will now bring Jacob back from captivity [f] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.”
Sorry, that post doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Evidently, the assertion is that taking Scripture at it's most logical face value . . . particularly comparing Scripture with Scripture for clarification, confirmation, . . . is somehow unacceptably DIVISIVE
vs
Mangling plain language all out of whack with all manner of jury-rigged rubber Bible postulations via mental gymnastics that would make a contortionist blush
is somehow
NOT
divisive?
LOL. ROTFLOL. GTTM. If that's the meaning of the cryptic post, I must concede it is a wonderously huge joke. LOL. It clearly wins in the joke dept.
INDEED!
THEN, one . . . assuming one could find a thinking cap to put on . . . one would be compelled BY SCRIPTURE to ask . . .
If it's The Christian Church . . . what on earth are all the Jews so wound up about it for?
Oh, I suppose the Anti Christ is going to steal all their matzos for Communion crackers just before setting his image up?
Maybe he'll steal all the Menorah's olive oil for pita bread?
IF he's setting up his image in some church somewhere . . . WHY OH WHY are the Jews bothered AT ALL? MUCH LESS WHAT ABOUT THAT WAKES THEM UP THAT THE ANTI-CHRIST IS NOT THEIR TRUE MESSIAH?
Oh, I know--he changes his yarmulke for an umpteen mitered crown/hat??? They become rabidly suicidal and refuse to bow down and worship the image because of a style issue?
Maybe he barfs in his yarmulke? Would that do it?
I don't think so. . . . ponder, ponder . . .
I have it--he picks his nose while carrying the scrolls? Naw.
I know--THE JEWS ARE UPSET because he uses leavened bread for Christian communion! That must be it. That must be why they will immediately begin to flee the church courtyard by the thousands while the Anti-Christ slaughters them by the thousands . . . The Jews have a history of getting all upset about Christian communion around the world. It's well proved that it drives them berzerk by the millions around the world. Why they stand outside Roman and other churches flagellating themselves with barbs and threatening Jewish Jehawd every time a church dares offer communion with leavened bread. That must be it. . . . . NOT.
By the way . . . WHICH church has what kind of Holy of Holies where all this is supposed to take place? And why again do all the Jews gathered in Jerusalem care?
The Church of the Holy Sepulcher? I don't think so. The courtyard doesn't sound remotely big enough for the predicted prophecy.
ST PETER'S B in Rome? Naw. Doesn't fit the prophetic Scriptural picture. Though I'm sure there are some around there who'd have sympathy for the Anti-Christ's compulsion to be worshiped as God.
Maybe it's Costa Mesa in CA. Na, the masses of Jews would have a rough time spilling out of the courtyard toward the hills of Judea from there.
Oh, how about that old rubber bible mental gymnastics theology trick . . . IT'S SYMBOLIC?
He will set up a symbolic image . . . maybe made of Play Dough . . .
and he'll issue a symbolic pretend edict for everyone all around the world to bow down and worship it . . .
And he’ll issue a symbolic pretend edict for everyone to take the CHIP SLAG ID IMPLANT AND BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP—or be symbolically killed.
And they will be symbolically unable to buy or sell without the CHIP IMPLANT. And WITH the SLAG [SLAve taG] folks will only symbolically access their debit checking accounts, electronic passports and medical records . . . only symbolically . . . all only for Hollyweed symbolism.
and some will pretend to worship and some will pretend to not worship. And he will pretend to kill those who do not pretend to worship. And Hollyweed will provide the fake pretend blood to flow in the gutters . . . and CNN will be pleased. And all the rubber Bible folks will flap their rubber Bibles in unison at the grand pretend spectacle. And the Jews will go through another holocaust . . . only pretend.
With choreography by Martha Graham. No, she's gone . . . uhhhh . . . with choreography by Whoopie G. That would fit.
Just in time to be slaughtered by the millions in the “great tribulation”. Is that what God has in mind for His “earthly people”?
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Perhaps sometime, someone of us could introduce the Holy Bible . . . often mysterious . . . always true.
It IS an overwhelmingly awesome hand to fall into the hands of an angry Almighty God.
It is also overwhelmingly awesome to be HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE. Certain things evidently necessarily follow.
If the choreography is disliked, take it up with the Choreographer—ALMIGHTY GOD.
Last I checked, HE DID AND DOES ALL THINGS WELL.
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Now there was a group during Moses reign who thought they had a better idea . . . IIRC, the earth opened up and swallowed the whole lot of them.
But, hey, I guess if one really has a burr in his saddle, no price is too great to tell God He’s got it scheduled all wrong. I’m sure He’ll be very impressed and submissive.
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Christ made very clear that there were some puzzles to ponder.
That things were hidden from . . . certain folks with a certain attitude . . .
But that His sheep knew HIS VOICE.
Certainly 2,000 years soon is one issue I’d like to ask God about.
But nothing else fits the prophetic Scriptures. NOTHING.
Mental gymnastics, rubber Bible theology doesn’t even make it to the same galactic cluster.
The complications with the REPLACEMENTARIAN position are in the hundreds.
No thanks.
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