Single Word Change in Book of Mormon Speaks Volumes

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | November 8, 2007 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

[DelphiUser]

I Said: I have read and understand the scripture from my perspective, and according to my beliefs, I am simply trying to understand your perspective which you now seem unwilling to share.

You Said: No, this is untrue.
You have READ it; you just don't BELIEVE it.

[according to your 'perspective'.]

Of course I believe it, I just believe what I understand, I cannot believe that which I do not understand. This is merely logic, you cannot obey laws you don't know exist, you cannot believe a scripture you do not understand. That you would postulate that I don't believe a scripture because I have a different perspective is well funny in a pitiful sort of way.

I have asked you to explain your perspective (actually MHGinTN) but as you are now answering for him (I am not accusing you of having multiple accounts), but since you are answering, stop saying all I have to do is read it, I have read it, and I think I understand it. Now you come along and tell me I am lying about what I think and that if I would just read it, I would understand.

Bah! You are sounding like a provincial who does not understand what the definition of perspective is. (Perspective) If you can't stop just throwing labels around you will become known as one who impedes understanding, not facilitates it.

[DelphiUser]

I Said: There you go again, claiming to know what I do and don't believe...

I Said: There YOU go again; showing by your ACTIONS what you REALLY believe!

Nice fruits!

Nice fruit to you too, LOL!

[DelphiUser]

Read post #298 regarding ‘making it personal and being nasty ... unless Mormons are immune from censure, in which case carry on, we will figure it out.

MHG, when they put you in as Religion Moderator, let me know, but since you break the rules of this forum with almost every post, don't lecture me on the rules, 'K?

RM, sorry to bother you, but you were part of the post and I ping people when talking about them, it's one of the rules...

[Old Mountain man]

What’s YOUR problem? I have never found you willing to argue the issue, merely willing to smear the Prophet Joseph Smith. Think about it, if all you can do is smear a dead man, you can’t argue very much.

[Old Mountain man]

Elsie, you are very frustrating. If you really want to argue doctrine instead of calling names and other immature actions, let’s do it. I fear nothing you have to say. Feel free to cite any little old verse your heart or preacher desires and we can fight a scripture war if you wish, although at this moment I now claim the right to cite LDS Standard works at any time and for any reason.

[Religion Moderator]

I'm either going to be pulling posts, locking this thread or suspending posters - or some mix thereof - if all of the posters here, you three included, do not stop denigrating each other personally.

There will be no more warnings.

[DelphiUser]

Guys, I think we have to do the group hug thing...

[DelphiUser]

Guys, I think we have to do the group hug thing...

I'll go first...

[sevenbak]

Looks like this thread might be pulled soon, so let me try to catch up before that happens. Good thing I checked in.

Last time I checked we thankfully were living in 2007 and not under the taxing authority of 0003.

Giving to the Lord might be looked on by some as a tax. How sad. I think you are mistaking the early apostles for communists. They tried to have all things in common too, but when it's of man and not of God, then it is and will always be a fraud of the real intent of God. Please don't confuse the socialist intent of Hillary with the spiritual intent of Peter.

[sevenbak]

The blessings associated with a sincere tithe include temporal and spiritual blessings. As I stated in Malachi, the heavens are promised to open so fully to the extent that we can’t receive of them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1923110/posts?page=208#208

That is abundance. But it's not the reason we should do it. That reason by it'self is a selfish one. We should do it because He asks us. If the Lord also promises to save us at his coming for said obedience and faith, fine by me. It’s in the Lord’s hands.

[sevenbak]

I believe it’s about the rapture and beyond. I wouldn’t cancel your state farm just insurance just yet... ;-)

Kudos to you though, sounds like you are doing some good things!

[colorcountry]

Nice try at revising your own scripture. It clearly states that those who don’t pay their full 10% are damned and will burn like stubble. It’s hard to get any clearer than that (whether you think you are blessed or not).

[sevenbak]

I also have to laugh when the Church is accused of being so rich... perhaps having a lay ministry really goes along way to making the funds that are collected go toward worthwhile purposes instead of gobbled up in pastor salaries.

Like two-billion dollar malls?

This is another exxample of things that those who hate the church just can't understand. The Church owns many businesses. And they are run independently of the Church, they may have boards accountibe for their actions to the Church, but no commingling of funds. I work for a LDS owned company. My salary, benefits, bonuses, etc. are based on the business I work in, and are in no way connected to tithing funds. The malls of downtown SLC, properties owned by the Church are being rebuilt. The economy of SLC has gone downhill in a major way, and it effects those coming to temple square and sournding church properties. It's a good thing, a very good thing IMO. IF they let the run down decrepit buildings remain, no doubt you would accuse the Church of not looking after the city, not taking care of their own properties, laziness, etc. But that's just a guess...

[DelphiUser]

Nice try at revising your own scripture. It clearly states that those who don’t pay their full 10% are damned and will burn like stubble. It’s hard to get any clearer than that (whether you think you are blessed or not).

Our scriptures:
D&C 64:23-24

23 Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.
24 For after today cometh the burning—this is speaking after the manner of the Lord—for verily I say, tomorrow all the proud and they that do wickedly shall be as stubble; and I will burn them up, for I am the Lord of Hosts; and I will not spare any that remain in Babylon.

Mal. 4: 1

1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Tithing is a promise not to be burned, but not paying is not a promise to be burned. for that you also have to look at the proud, and wickedly factors, the assumption is that if 6you are paying your tithes righteously, you are neither proud nor wicked. argue that all you want, but don't say that we say all non tithe payers will be burned at his coming for that is not what we are saying or you could not argue with us about it, for we would be saying it, Whew

Quick, we need another group hug!

[DelphiUser]

What the heck is that “6” doing in there, oh well,
6 = “”

[colorcountry]

I think you are missing a couple. ;-)

Quick, we need another group hug....

[DelphiUser]

You're in...

[sevenbak]

Could it be that you're clueless, that Ananias and Sapphira chose to LIE and were called for it? If you read the passages with a non-cult mind...

I'm pretty sure the RM warned about the personal attacks, but since this is old, and I'm playing catch up, I won't hold it against you. It's pretty common wording though from you, please refrain.

Now, on to the subject... Of course Ananias and Sapphira lied! That is obvious. So did Peter about the Christ. God didn't kill him though, did he? He was made the head of His church. In fact, he revealed to Peter that he would kill Sapphira. It's much more than a lie, it's a breaking of covenants.

But, you do make an excelled point as to the necessity of works. Ananias and Sapphira were believing Christians, and yet God held them accountable for their actions. Thanks for pointing that out.

The "all things in common" was practiced by the saints, and all that believed practiced together. I believe that Christ himself set the example here in Matthew:

Matthew 19:21

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

The LDS believe that not only did the early Jerusalem Christians have all things in common, but so did the Nephites, after Christ's appearance to them in the new world. We also believe the residents of the City of Enoch also had all things in common. The early LDS church also tried it, and in some aspects, it was successful, but it ultimately failed due to the pride, which we all have. In a perfect world, as I suspect will happen during the millennial reign of Christ, we will love each other more than ourselves, and practice "all things in common" once again.

Cheers.

[MHGinTN]

“I’m playing catch up, I won’t hold it against you. It’s pretty common wording though from you, please refrain.” And since you are a protected species at FR, I will not even try to answer further.