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This is a great article. Required reading for teachers of our youth in America and those who participate in the killing of the unborn. I have seen Mr. Armstrong speak on this topic, if you can get him to your group I would highly recommend it.
1 posted on 12/02/2007 7:28:33 AM PST by auraur
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To: auraur

I tremble at the thought that such revisionist history is being written in the name of the Living God.

Was it not Jesus who said (John 18:36) “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

We are not to take up arms to convert men, but our crosses, and if necessary die on them. God would have been better witnessed to by Cortez dying while spreading the Gospel, rather than slaughtering thousands. If anything Cortez and the Spanish rape and pillage of the Americas should be an embarrassment to the Roman Church, not something that is glorified.

Did God still use Cortez? Yes, but as He also used the Assyrians and Babylonians to chasten Israel. They were used and still convicted for their own sins, just as Cortez was. I pray that he was given the grace of repentance in the last of his life.

Really, this sort of stuff makes me think some in the RCC still wish that the Pope still had the power to throw a crusade at the infidel, and that the St. Valentines Massacre is the sort of thing that should happen more often.


2 posted on 12/02/2007 8:47:50 AM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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To: auraur
Because so much of the written history we rely on today is from an Anglo-Protestant perspective, Spain's role in bringing the Christian faith to the new world is minimized by many early historians.

So the Aztecs were killing people to sacrifice to their gods...

And along comes Cortes; slaughtering men, women, children and babies so he can steal their gold and prescious metals, for the 'church', of course, and no doubt, plenty for himself...

This guy, thru his butchering, murdering, no doubt raping and obvious pillaging becomes a hero of the Catholic church...

And non-Catholics are derided for putting a negative slant on Cortes' and his church's mission...

We always find in Mary the perfect mediator between mankind and God.

This is a blatant lie, according to the God of Creation...So who would perpetuate such a lie but Satan???

3 posted on 12/02/2007 9:48:34 AM PST by Iscool
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To: auraur

I have read both Prescott and Bernal Diaz’s accounts and find them facinating.
Cortez lost about 400 men at La Nochie Trstie (sp?) and later returned with thousands of Indian allies who hated the Aztecs with a vengance.

I have a Spanish speaking friend in Los Angeles who said that after the conquest there began a program of genocide against the Indians.

I do know that there were two priests whose accounts difer in this. One says the Indians were treated well, the other claims genocide. Maybe it is six of one and a half dozen of the other.


7 posted on 12/02/2007 2:04:18 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: auraur; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...
 

Our Lady of Guadalupe - December 12DEVOTIONAL PRAYER TO OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE

O Virgin Mother of Guadalupe, you wanted to show your compassion to all who solicit your help. Hear the petitions we present to you.

Patroness of the Philippines, we pray for peace, justice and prosperity for our country and for all the countries of the world. Mother of fair love, protect our families. Keep them united in love and watch over our children. Put an end to the sacrifice of innocent lives as you did in Mexico.

Mother of the Church, grant us abundant vocations of priests, religious and laity. We pray to you especially for our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, and all bishops. Grant us a great love for all the sacraments, the signs of God's great mercy.

Thus we will be able to bring all, true peace through Our Lord Jesus Christ, who with God the Father and the Holy Spirit, lives and reign forever and ever.

                                                            Amen.

The Story of Guadalupe: Hope for Our Violent World

Our Lady of Guadalupe: Protectress of the Unborn

Was Our Lady of Guadalupe Wrong?

METHODIST CHURCH DISPLAYS VIRGIN OF GUADALUPE

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A Novena to Our Lady of Guadalupe

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Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531

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OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE [Read only]


10 posted on 12/02/2007 2:45:26 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: auraur
Some additional threads:

Hernándo Cortés and Our Lady

Scientists certify Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma

STRANGE LIGHT CLAIMED IN GUADALUPE IMAGE AFTER MEXICO CITY OKAYED ABORTION

STRANGE LIGHT CLAIMED IN GUADALUPE IMAGE AFTER MEXICO CITY OKAYED ABORTION -- posted on News Forum

13 posted on 12/02/2007 3:05:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: auraur

Excellent article...and one that can help spread the truth about one of the greatest explorers.

I will definitely pass it around.


17 posted on 12/02/2007 3:13:48 PM PST by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: auraur

Bumping the thread!

“Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!” ~~Mother Angelica


19 posted on 12/02/2007 3:15:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: auraur

Because so much of the written history we rely on today is from an Anglo-Protestant perspective, Spain’s role in bringing the Christian faith to the new world is minimized by many early historians.


this statement is false unfortunately...most revisionist historians have nothing to do with any Christian faith...protestant or otherwise.


20 posted on 12/02/2007 3:18:57 PM PST by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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Our Lady and Islam is a web page at EWTN which discusses Fatima, Guadalupe and Lepanto.
Portugal

The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism.

Spain

As the Moslems swept through Spain in the 8th century, a great religious treasure was buried for safe-keeping in the earth, high in the Estremadura Mountains. It was a much venerated statue of Our Lady holding the Divine Child Jesus that was a gift of Pope Gregory the Great to Bishop Leander of Seville. After the overthrow of Moorish occupation, the image was uncovered in the year 1326, subsequent to a vision of Our Lady to a humble shepherd by the name of Gil. Our Lady's very special statue was enshrined in a nearby Franciscan Monastery next to the "Wolf River."

The Moslems, during their Spanish occupation, had actually named the river. The Islamic term for Wolf River is "Guadalupe" (Guada = River; Lupe = Wolf). Hence, the famous Catholic image in Spain has been known, since the 14th century, by the Islamic name of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."[snip]

Mexico

Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531.

When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."

To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. [snip] To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.[snip]

Lepanto

On October 7, 1571, a great victory over the mighty Turkish fleet was won by Catholic naval forces primarily from Spain, Venice, and Genoa under the command of Don Juan of Austria. It was the last battle at sea between "oared" ships, which featured the most powerful navy in the world, a Moslem force with between 12,000 to 15,000 Christian slaves as rowers. The patchwork team of Catholic ships was powered by the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.[snip]

What you may not know is that one of three admirals commanding the Catholic forces at Lepanto was Andrea Doria. He carried a small copy of Mexico's Our Lady of Guadalupe into battle. This image is now enshrined in the Church of San Stefano in Aveto, Italy. Not many know that at the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain, one can view a huge warship lantern that was captured from the Moslems in the Battle of Lepanto. In Rome, look up to the ceiling of S. Maria in Aracoeli and behold decorations in gold taken from the Turkish galleys. In the Doges' Palace in Venice, Italy, one can witness a giant Islamic flag that is now a trophy from a vanquished Turkish ship from the Victory.


23 posted on 12/02/2007 3:51:58 PM PST by syriacus (Bill + Hill say she was ALREADY co-president for 8 years. How can THEY be running for 4 MORE years?)
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To: auraur

bump


24 posted on 12/02/2007 4:01:44 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: auraur

A background source I can recommend:
“Conquistadors” a 4-part series hosted by Michael Wood.
(I recommend it even though it is aired on PBS!)

Conquistadors
hosted by Michael Woods
(PBS series website)
http://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/

Michael Wood: Conquistadors DVD
http://www.shoppbs.org/sm-pbs-michael-wood-conquistadors-dvd—pi-2268428.html

Conquistadors
By Michael Wood
(at GoogleBooks)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZqbbIu2g7EUC&dq=conquistadors+pbs+wood&pg=PP1&ots=8jLRSRehMd&sig=nB1R3PS-s0p10lGKrdeNrLjQXxM&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3D%2522conquistadors%2522%2B%2522PBS%2522%2B%2522Wood%2522%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail

(Now for “VOA”’s rambling commentary about “Conquistadors” the series)
The series seems to cover “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly” of the
Spanish adventures in the Americas. It does include the tale of
one Spaniard that survived a LONG overland march back to Spanish settlement
that seemed to develop some kindness and understanding toward the
indigenous peoples.
AND the final episode details the lengthy debate in Spain that a
priest won in fighting for better treatment of the American Indians.
(Not something you’ll likely hear about in today’s public school
history classes...or university classes!)

Myself, as a non-Catholic did appreciate the depth of the series and
the fairly even-hand given to a band of men that ran the spectrum of
human virtue to vice.
But what impacted me most was seeing a rebroadcast a year or so
after 9-11.
Host Michael Wood related how Cortes and his fellow warriors were
taken to the ritual sacrifice chamber atop one of Montezuma’s pyramids.
When Montezuma gave his apologia of how wonderfully their theology worked:
we strip the beating heart out of live victims, our sun-god is pleased
and our crops keep growing...SUPER!
When Wood told of the REVULSION of Cortez and Co. at this...
all I could think is that they were feeling what I felt on 9-11 and
the days, weeks, months, years following.
Revulsion at the theology of grinning people pimping their death cult.


26 posted on 12/02/2007 4:04:31 PM PST by VOA
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To: auraur
Welcome to Free Republic!

Great post and excellent responses. Hope you will hang around here for a while.

27 posted on 12/02/2007 4:33:32 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: auraur; Salvation

Interesting read.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 8:03:42 PM PST by Ciexyz
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