The First Day of the Week

I never said FOUR DAYS!
SHOW ME WHER I SAID FOUR DAYS, or back off!
P> I'm gonna say this one more time...
In the first century Jews reconciled days from sunset to sunset.
AND THEY STILL DO TO THIS VERY DAY!

Got differnet evidence? Then present it! You obviously think otherwise but have made not one single point other than to claim vague chapter references.

But please do NOT accuse me of things I did not say!

I never said the disciples could not count in chapter 24.

What I AM SAYING is that you are annoying me with piddling little snipes that prove nothing other than your total lack of reading comprehension of what I actually HAVE said.

My claim on the three days and three nights comes from Christ Himself in Matthew 12:39-40. He predicted three days and three nights as the sign to prove His divinity. Please read the posts before commenting, or falsely accusing...please!

So in your next post, your task is to...
Show me where I ever claimed four days
Show me where I said anyone couldn't count
Show me what YOU PERSOANLLY actually believe and substantiate it with some sort of cognitive evidence.

Because up to now all you have brought to the discussion is false accusations and vague references to your personal, but uncorroborated opinions on shadowed chapter references.

..or go away, because your unintellegent snipes are rude!

Crucifixion year 30 A.D.

Nisan 14 was preparation and crucifixion [Leviticus 23:5] Wednesday. Placed in tomb at sunset Wednesday/Thursday [Luke 23:53-54]. First 24 hours in tomb; Wednesday evening/ Thursday (the 15th) and first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread begins [Leviticus 23:6]. Second 24 hour period in tomb; Thursday evening/Friday (the 16th) and the count of the Omer begins [Leviticus 23:15]. Third 24 hour period in tomb; Friday evening/Saturday and resurrection before sunset on the Sabbath [Matthew 28:1][Luke 24:1][John 20:1].

The reason the mainstream church selected 33 A.D. was to allow their 1 1/2 day theory of Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection to workout. Passover fell on a Friday that year.....but 72 hours later (per scripture) would put the resurrection on Monday afternoon....at sunset.

I can see that this discussion is getting you agitated, so it’s best not to continue. I can also see that you are fully engaged with your presuppositions. Take care.

An English speaker, fluent in Greek would ask, “on the Sabbaths’ one what?”

Not understanding first century Hebrew culture is part of the problem here because if you were to ask Peter, John or Our Lord Himself, What is meant by the term "First....or one of the Sabbaths"? Their answer would be; 1. The first Sabbath (weekly) after Passover in the seven Sabbath count to Pentecost.....or 2. One of the seven Sabbaths in the seven Sabbath count from Passover to Pentecost (count of the Omer).

The Greeks did not have a word for Sabbath (not surprising) so a word was invented by the writers of the New Testament to describe the Sabbath of Resurrection (it was the first in the count) and the remaining six special Sabbaths between these two important Festivals of God ....Pesach and Shavuot.

In Leviticus we first see the word Shabbatot describing a special Sabbath and the word transliterated to the Greek is SABBATWN. In [Leviticus 23:15] the Hebrew is referring to the First Sabbath of Unleavened Bread which fell on a Wednesday evening/Thursday crucifixion week A.D. 30. It was considered a special Sabbath and was referred to in Hebrew as Shabbatot. If it were a regular weekly Sabbath the Hebrew would have said Shabbat. The word used in verse 16 is Ha-Shabbat and means weeks. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath (week) shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The King James incorrectly translates this word, "Ha-Shabbat", as Sabbath...but it means weeks. The problem most English speaking people have here is not realizing that this word can mean a number of things; Day of rest; seventh day of the week; a week of seven days; a period of seven years....a week of years. The meaning depends on the context. Here, scripture is speaking of the time between Pesach (Passover) and Shavuot (Pentecost) or 49 days plus one (seven weeks) plus one day. That's why the Festival is called "The Feast of Weeks"!

Consequently, whenever you see anything in the New Testament speaking of resurrection Sabbath or one of the Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost you will notice this spelling....SABBATWN. It is the Hebrew transliteration to the Greek of the Hebrew word Shabbatot.....which means a special Sabbath. Ordinary Sabbaths are not referred to as SABBATWN.....or Shabbatot.

I don't know much about the Seventh Day Adventists and if this is their belief or not. I notice that you had referred to them frequently. Maybe one of them is on thread and could clarify if this is what they believe?

If you wish to use all the modern day wrong translations, have fun and remain blind and confused. I’ll stick to the ancient original writings.

You’re also dead wrong about the word “week”.

You say:
I’d like to see a citation for that, because the phrase “mia ton Sabbaton” (or any variation) does NOT exist in the Greek Old Testament.

Exactly!! Thank you. You help make my point clear. It doesn’t exist in the Old because edoma is the word for week in Greek. In the New, he didn’t rise on the first day of the ebdoma. He rose on the first of the sabbaton in Greek and in Hebrew is the following word:

7677 shabbathown shab-baw-thone' from 7676; a sabbatism or special holiday:--rest, sabbath. http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=7677

week (Old Testament) ebdoma in Greek
Ge 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

sunteleson oun ta ebdoma tauthv kai dwsw soi kai tauthn anti thv ergasiav hv erga par' emoi eti epta eth etera

Ge 29:28
And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.

epoihsen de Iakwb outwv kai aneplhrwsen ta ebdoma tauthv kai edwken autw Laban Raxhl thn qugatera autou autw gunaika

Da 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

kai dunamwsei diaqhkhn polloiv ebdomav mia kai en tw hmisei thv ebdomadov arqhsetai mou qusia kai spondh kai epi to ieron bdelugma twn erhmwsewn kai ewv sunteleiav kairou sunteleia doqhsetai epi thn erhmwsin

weeks in Greek is ebdomadwn

Ex 34:22
And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

kai eorthn ebdomadwn poihseiv moi arxhn qerismou purwn kai eorthn sunagwghv mesountov tou eniautou

Le 12:5
But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.

ean de qhlu tekh kai akaqartov estai div epta hmerav kata thn afedron kai echkonta hmerav kai ec kaqesqhsetai en aimati akaqartw authv

Le 23:15
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

kai ariqmhsete umeiv apo thv epaurion twn sabbatwn apo thv hmerav hv an prosenegkhte to dragma tou epiqematov epta ebdomadav oloklhrouv

Le 25:8
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

kai ecariqmhseiv seautw epta anapauseiv etwn epta eth eptakiv kai esontai soi epta ebdomadev etwn ennea kai tessarakonta eth

Nu 28:26
Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:

kai th hmera twn newn otan prosferhte qusian nean kuriw twn ebdomadwn epiklhtov agia estai umin pan ergon latreuton ou poihsete

De 16:9
Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.

epta ebdomadav oloklhrouv ecariqmhseiv seautw arcamenou sou drepanon ep' amhton arch ecariqmhsai epta ebdomadav

De 16:10
And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

kai poihseiv eorthn ebdomadwn kuriw tw qew sou kaqoti h xeir sou isxuei osa an dw soi kaqoti huloghsen se kuriov o qeov sou

De 16:16
Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

treiv kairouv tou eniautou ofqhsetai pan arsenikon sou enantion kuriou tou qeou sou en tw topw w ean eklechtai auton kuriov en th eorth twn azumwn kai en th eorth twn ebdomadwn kai en th eorth thv skhnophgiav ouk ofqhsh enwpion kuriou tou qeou sou kenov

2Ch 8:13
Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

kai kata ton logon hmerav en hmera tou anaferein kata tav entolav Mwush en toiv sabbatoiv kai en toiv mhsin kai en taiv eortaiv treiv kairouv tou eniautou en th eorth twn azumwn kai en th eorth twn ebdomadwn kai en th eorth twn skhnwn

Jer 5:24
Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

kai ouk eipon en th kardia autwn fobhqwmen dh kurion ton qeon hmwn ton didonta hmin ueton proimon kai oyimon kata kairon plhrwsewv prostagmatov qerismou kai efulacen hmin

Da 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

ebdomhkonta ebdomadev sunetmhqhsan epi ton laon sou kai epi thn polin thn agian sou tou suntelesqhnai amartian kai tou sfragisai amartiav kai apaleiyai tav anomiav kai tou ecilasasqai adikiav kai tou agagein dikaiosunhn aiwnion kai tou sfragisai orasin kai profhthn kai tou xrisai agion agiwn

Da 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

kai gnwsh kai sunhseiv apo ecodou logou tou apokriqhnai kai tou oikodomhsai Ierousalhm ewv xristou hgoumenou ebdomadev epta kai ebdomadev echkonta duo kai epistreyei kai oikodomhqhsetai plateia kai teixov kai ekkenwqhsontai oi kairoi

Da 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

kai meta tav ebdomadav tav echkonta duo ecoleqreuqhsetai xrisma kai krima ouk estin en autw kai thn polin kai to agion diafqerei sun tw hgoumenw tw erxomenw kai ekkophsontai en kataklusmw kai ewv telouv polemou suntetmhmenou tacei afanismoiv

Da 10:2
In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

en taiv hmeraiv ekeinaiv egw Danihl hmhn penqwn treiv ebdomadav hmerwn

Da 10:3
I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all (8800) , till three whole weeks were fulfilled .

arton epiqumiwn ouk efagon kai kreav kai oinov ouk eishlqen eiv to stoma mou kai aleimma ouk hleiyamhn ewv plhrwsewv triwn ebdomadwn hmerwn

In the New Testament that word “ebdomadwn”is no where even to be seen in the verses that are wrongly translated as “First day of the week”. The word used instead is “sabbatwn” meaning

1. after a long time, long after, late
a. late in the day, i.e. at evening
b. the sabbath having just passed, after the sabbath
1. at the early dawn of the first day of the week

This is just one example. I could go into all the other versions and make the point just as well. Go ahead and stick with all your New Modern Version lies. I’ll stick to the original TRUTHS.

You say you wish to see a citation of “the first of the Sabbaths”. No problem for those who know and research the original ancient Bibles.

Vulgate (Latin): Matthew Chapter 28
1 Vespere autem sabbati, quæ lucescit in “prima sabbati”, venit Maria Magdalene, et altera Maria, videre sepulchrum. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/vul/mat028.htm#001

Prima sabbati means first of the Sabbaths. The word sabbati can easily be seen to be sabbath and prima means prime or first. You don’t have to be an expert in linguistics to see that.

Also in my King James (Catalog number ISBN: 0-311-48748-3) it says in Luke 6:1 “.. on the second sabbath after the first” which clearly shows the counting of the 7th day Sabbaths.

The Latin Bible, or ‘Vulgate’ was translated from the Hebrew and Aramaic by Jerome between 382 and 405 CE. This text became knowns as the ‘versio vulgata’, which means ‘common translation’. Verses from New Testament Greek are also provided for comparison. See below: Primam Sabbati means First Sabbath

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

vespere autem sabbati quae lucescit in primam sabbati venit Maria Magdalene et altera Maria videre sepulchrum

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

surgens autem mane prima sabbati apparuit primo Mariae Magdalenae de qua eiecerat septem daemonia

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God

sequenti vero sabbato paene universa civitas convenit audire verbum Domini.

You can have the original Peshita tanslated to English by a Jewish person who reads Aramaic. www.nazarene.net/aramaic/pmark.pdf

Also the Valera Bible (1602) by Cipriano de Valera, and the Reina by Casiodoro de Reina (1569) the same original verse of Matt. 28:1 says “primero de los Sabbados” not “first day of the week” like all the other false Bibles. That’s why the old original, TRUTHFUL versions. You can burn all the latest New Version garbage.

You say:
In fact, it’s the SEVENTH day after the Feast of the unleavened bread which is called a Sabbath

Are you sure about “In fact” in your statement. I’ll tell you “In fact” that you are wrong in your application of the sabbath in your wrong statement. He died on the 14th and the 15th is a Sabbath and Holy day and is the “First” day of the feast days. Furthermore, the Sabbath you mention in your wrong statement is not 7 days “after” but 6 days after the 15th . It is the 21st of Nisan. Numbers 28: 16-18, 25. Can’t you say anything Biblical? In fact???? See Mark 15:42 also says Joseph asked the body on the 14th Nisan, the day of the preparation, the day before the Sabbath of the 15th obviously.

You say:
your translation makes ahash out of 1 Cor 16:2, since it would be something which takes place only once per year. The 7th day Sabbath doesn’t take place once a year, Dangus. The reason it’s a hash for you is because you haven’t researched anything in the Bible and thus are all confused when the facts hit you in the face. The Vulgate says “per unam sabbati”. The word sabbati means the 7th day Sabbath here.

Ex 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath

Greek says:
Ex 20:10 τῇ δὲ ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἑβδόμῃ σάββατα

sorry but the Greek didn't print out. Does anyone know how to do that? What is the URL for all the color symbols and codes for writing all this. I've lost it. Thanks.

Latin says:
septimo autem die sabbati

You say:
how do you explain Luke 18:12?

I’ve already explained ebdoma means week in Greek, not sabbath. I know you’re desperately grabbing for straws, but you’re a drowning man.

You say:
And why would Mark 16:1 say, “When the Sabbath was over?”

Yes, keep reading “bought”. They did not buy the spices until after the High Sabbath feast of unleavened Bread was over. They thus bought the spices on the 16th, prepared them and the ointments and appeared at the tomb at dawn before sunrise on the 7th day Sabbath of the 17th.

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These people understood those languages.

Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday

MATTHEW 12:39
But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth. The only way that this is possible is if Christ died and was buried on a Wednesday Passover (14Nisan). That would begin the count of the 1st day, Wednesday night = 1st night, Thursday day = 2nd day, Thursday night = 2nd night, Friday day = 3rd day, Friday night = 3rd night. That completes the 3 days and 3 nights and Mary appears early Saturday morning. There is no possibility of a Friday death. In Esther we find what is considered 3 days and 3 nights. ESTHER 4:15 Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai: 16 "Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for THREE DAYS, NIGHT or DAY. My maids and I will fast likewise. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!" 17 So Mordecai went his way and did according to all that Esther commanded him. 5:1 Now it happened on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king's palace, across from the king's house, while the king sat on his royal throne in the royal house, facing the entrance of the house.

1. The OT data (to show that 'on the third day' = 'after three days')
Gen 42.16: "And he put them all in custody for three days. 18 On the third day, Joseph said to them, "Do this and you will live, for I fear God" and they are released ON that day (from the context of verses 25-26). In this case the 'for three days' meant only 'into the third day'

1 Kings 20.29: "For seven days they camped opposite each other, and on the seventh day the battle was joined. " In this case we have 'for seven days' meant only 'into the seventh day'.

2 Chr 10.5: "And he said to them, 'Return to me again in three days" with verse 12: "So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day as the king had directed, saying, 'Return to me on the third day." In this case 'in three days' is equivalent to 'on the third day'.

Esther 4.16: "Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maids will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.'"

And then in 5.1: "On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the palace, in front of the king's hall. " In this case, "on the third day" is equivalent to "for three days, night or day".

1 Samuel 30.12: "He ate and was revived, for he had not eaten any food or drunk any water for three days and three nights. 13 David asked him, "To whom do you belong, and where do you come from?" He said, "I am an Egyptian, the slave of an Amalekite. My master abandoned me when I became ill three days ago. " In this case "for three days and three nights' somehow was fulfilled when his master left him 'three days ago'.

"Thus, the Old Testament gives the picture that the expressions 'three days,' 'the third day,' and 'three days and three nights' are used to signify the same period of time."

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You say:
Placed in tomb at sunset Wednesday/Thursday

Wrong! He was placed in the tomb on the preparation day (Wednesday 14Nisan) "before" sunset as the Sabbath(15Nisan) drew on. The 14th is the first day. . Luke 23:54

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Salvation, I couldn't care less about the early fathers or easter eggs and Santa Clause Nicholas. I'll give you 1 thousand dollars right now if you show me one verse from the Bible, not from Mother Babylon church and all her pagan worshipping daughters, that I'm obligated to keep Sunday Holy. There is no point in continuing if you can't show me. I'm not going to hold my breath.

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You say: Placed in tomb at sunset Wednesday/Thursday.

Scripture says it better than I: [Matthew 27:57-62] 57 When the even (between 3:00 P.M. and sunset) was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple: 58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. 59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed. 61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre. 62 Now the next day (Thursday, Nisan 15) that followed the day of the preparation (Wednesday, Nisan 14), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate.

Please don't be confused by my saying Wednesday/Thursday. I mean the sunset that precedes the 24 hour time period of the Hebrews which began at sunset on Wednesday and finished at sunset on Thursday.

[Mark 15:42-46] 42 And now when the even was come (between 3:00 P.M. and sunset), because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath (first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread), 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

[Luke 23:50-54] 50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just: 51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation (Wednesday, Nisan 14), and the sabbath drew on. (this is immediately before the sunset)

[John 19:31-42] 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (Wednesday, Nisan 14) , that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day (First Sabbath of Unleavened Bread) , (for that sabbath day was an high day,) (SABBATWN) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. 33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. 38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus. 39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. 40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. 42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day (Wednesday, Nisan 14 right before sunset); for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

To reiterate......He was placed in the tomb at sunset Wednesday, Nisan 14 and arose 72 hours later on the Sabbath at sunset on Nisan 17. Wednesday night/ Thursday day = 24 hours; Thursday night/ Friday day = 48 hours; Friday night/ Sabbath day = 72 hours! Three days and three nights....72 hours. We know it was 72 hours because scripture also verifies that.

[Matthew 12:40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 72 hours!

[Mark 8:31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. This cannot be counted as anything less than 72 hours!

[Mark 9:31] For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. This cannot be less than 24 hours nor more than 72 hours!

[Matthew 27:63] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. This cannot be anything less than 72 hours!

[John 2:19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Not less than 24 hours.....not more than 72!

The Hebrews have an idiom that qualifies any part of a day mentioned to be considered a whole day. When days and nights are mentioned in the same phrase.....the idiom does not apply.

Thank you for your blessing.......and I wish you the same in your search for truth.

Agree!

As I stated in an earlier post.

Placed in the tomb on Wednesday, 14 Nisan, which, by definition had to be before sunset, because after sunset, it would have been Thursday, 15 Nisan and the High holy Sabbath.

thank you.

SDG

It seems the winds have died down, so I’ll resume. The article read “As Paul preached, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day (Col 2:16).”, which is a very common verse misappropriatly used to try to downplay the importance of the 7th day Sabbath.

That verse is not referring to the 7th day Sabbath. The context of the verse speaks of festivals, food, and drinks. The 10 commandments definitely don’t mention any of this. The only Sabbaths that relate to food offerings, and drink offerings, and feast which are based on the new moon which is the first day of the month, are the Sabbaths on the feast or festival days which always fall on dates of the month not days of the week. Lev. 23:24,27,32,34,35,36,37,39

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[Colossians 2:16] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. That verse is not referring to the 7th day Sabbath. The context of the verse speaks of festivals, food, and drinks.

Here is the key to [Colossians 2]. Paul is addressing the new Christians in the city of Colosse. Paul had never been there but was writing this letter to correct some erroneous and dangerous teachings he had evidently heard from Epaphras [Colossians 1:7][Colossians 4:12][Philemon 1:23] who had come to visit him in Rome while he was being detained.

Colossians was one of "Four" prison epistles written sometime around A.D. 59/61 and attempted to counter both Asceticism and Pharisaic legalism. Colosse was a hot bed of asceticism and many of the new Christians were still affected by pagan philosophy and regulations. They (the pagans) were passing judgment on the folks for their new found freedom in Christ feeling that any sincere belief system should include penance, abstinence, fasting and even self inflicted pain and suffering. The Christians of course did none of these.

All of of these new Christians had been either pagans or belonged to the Judaic sect of the Pharisees and this is why Paul stresses what he does. Let's look at [Colossians 2:8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. The whole subject of Paul's discussion here is not of the Divine Laws of Our Lord but of Philosophy, vanity, worldliness, and man made tradition! Does this sound to you like an indictment of God's Holy Festivals and Sabbaths?

[Colossians 2:14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Here is an interesting word that some feel is referring to the "Ten Commandments".....ordinances! 1378. dogma (dog'-mah) a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical) decree, ordinance. Paul isn't speaking about the Ten Commandments of God....he is referring to man made law or "Dogma".

Here are the only other places in the New Testament that use the word "Dogma".

[Acts 16:4] And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

[Acts 17:7] Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.

[Ephesians 2:15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

So.....you see, when Paul says that Christ nailed these "Dogma" to the cross....it wasn't the Festivals and Sabbaths and Ten Commandments of Our Lord He was nailing. It was man made law and philosophy and worldly things like the pagan citizens of Colosse were familiar with. And when the Apostle tells these new Christians to ignore the criticisms of the pagans and Pharisees (verse 16) it was because Epaphras had taught them about the observance of God's Sabbaths, Festivals and New Moons. Paul was reinforcing the same observances.

>> You say: I’d like to see a citation for that, because the phrase “mia ton Sabbaton” (or any variation) does NOT exist in the Greek Old Testament. Exactly!! Thank you. You help make my point clear. <<

Harry, the OT doesn’t refer to mia ton Sabbaton OR mia ton ebdomais. The first day of the week wasn’t important to OT Jews.

But you’re saying that the phrase refers to a something that would’ve been divinley instituted, a part of Jewish law. So where is it? Where is the support for your assertion? You ask us to believe all these bibles are corrupted, but what do you offer to support your translation? How can the day after the second Sabbath of the season be called the “first Sabbath?” You come up with a bizarre answer that you do not substantiate.

Now, I did make a mistake referring to the Sabbath as the seventh day after the Feast of the Unleavened Bread; you’re right: it’s the seventh day after the Passover. But the point is that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is NOT a Sabbath.

Meanwhile, you list every single instance of ebdomais, either. I’d’ve readily concurred that word is used in the place of “week” in the Old Testament. Dozens of times. That word is used because the Greeks had no concept of a week, so when the Alexandrian Jews translated the Old Testament for Ptolemy, 3 centuries BC, they used a word meaning, roughly, “septet.” Its a pretty good word choice, too, since the Hebrew word, Shabbaowah, is similar to both Shabbot and the Hebrew word for seven. But as you acknowledge, the word appears nowhere in the New Testament. By the time the New Testament was written, its audience was fully aware of the usage of “sabbaton” to mean “week”.

BUT, when a holy day such as Passover fell on a Sabbath, it was referred to as a “high Sabbath,” which is what the gospels refer to the passover as. So, we know for a fact that the Sabbath (as practiced by the Sanhedrin, anyway) fell on a Sabbath.

You also offer no explanation for the use of the genitive (possessive) case.

>> You say:
how do you explain Luke 18:12? I’ve already explained ebdoma means week in Greek, not sabbath. I know you’re desperately grabbing for straws, but you’re a drowning man. <<

How does this explain the use of “twice a Sabbath”? That’s what Luke 18:12 says, not “ebdoma,” but “sabbaton.”

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

Keep reading. He’s talking about circumcision, and keep reading vs.14 “handwriting” of ordinances. The is referring to the book of the laws written by Moses. Deut. 31:34.

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us” referrs to the same thing Paul mentions in Gal. 3:13. Does the 10 commandments refer to “curses”? Which law referrs to curses? Did you know there are over 600 laws in the Torah? I think you need to study the Torah before you start to talk about the law.

“nailing it to the cross” absolutely does not referr to the ten commandments. If it did, James would not mention the importance of the 10 commandments. James 2:10,11,12, till the end of chapter. If you can’t see that he’s referring to “adultery, kill” which are part of the points of the 10 commandments, then it appears you have a big problem. Remember, the Bible doesn’t contradict itself.

Yeshua surely doesn’t do away with the law as seen in Matt. 5:18 where he says the same as James 2:10. He also gives specific examples in vs 21, 27, 33. And you have the nerve to say that the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross? Your comprehension of the Bible is lacking severely. And if the 10 commandment 7th day Sabbath was done away with, as you try to falsely convince people using Col 2:16, then why does Paul say “Let us labour to enter into that rest”, Hebrews 4:11.

“Rest to the people of God” Heb.4:9. I guess that leaves you out, since you don’t seem to be labouring very much to enter into that rest. Paul is talking about the 7th day Sabbath. Vs4. Remember Paul wrote Colosians also. Is Paul contradicting himself?

I could give a plethora of more examples, but I would basically be re-writing the whole Bible since there are so many.

Blessings as you keep searching for the TRUTH.

And why would Mark 16:1 say, “When the Sabbath was over?”

This is very confusing to some until you understand that Chapter and Verses were not included in the original writing. If you read [Mark 15:42 through Mark 16:1] you'll realize that the Sabbath being referred to is indeed the same Sabbath that [John 19:31] mentions. The High Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread! During crucifixion week this occurred from Wednesday evening through Thursday daytime....or the 15th of Nisan....Hebrew time [Leviticus 23:6].

When you divide Mark 15 and 16 the way modern translations do.....it tries to show more justification for a Sunday resurrection instead of a Sabbath (Saturday) resurrection. Try reading this passage and see how much sense it makes without the human division: [Mark 15:42-16:1] And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid. 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Mark wrote this book as Peter spoke the words and his writings have been said to be faithful.....just not always in the proper sequence. See This

It says: For information on these points, we can merely refer our readers to the books themselves; but now, to the extracts already made, we shall add, as being a matter of primary importance, a tradition regarding Mark who wrote the Gospel, which he [Papias] has given in the following words]: And the presbyter said this. Mark having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord's sayings. Wherefore Mark made no mistake in thus writing some things as he remembered them. For of one thing he took especial care, not to omit anything he had heard, and not to put anything fictitious into the statements. Section XI

It was human hands that separated [Mark 15 and 16].... and they did it in a vain attempt to establish more "Proof" for their Friday/Sunday-Crucifixion/Resurrection myth!

I’m sorry....that should be “Papias” section VI....not XI.

You say:
This is very confusing to some....

What can I say? There are many things that have been changed by the translators, false prophets, etc, that yes I'll agree the Bible can be very confusing. The approach one should take, which has worked for me, is to study a topic or word in every verse where that word is used. Only that way can one know what the Bible teaches. If one just picks one verse, and tries to build a conclusion without researching other verses on that same topic, it is very likely the conclusion will be wrong. You mention the separation of chapters,-- look at the sequence of the books of the OT. They're all (many) out of sequence. So if one tries to figure out a chronology using the order of the books, it becomes impossible, unless one does a lots of research.

Blessings in your search for TRUTH

>> This is very confusing to some until you understand that Chapter and Verses were not included in the original writing. If you read [Mark 15:42 through Mark 16:1] you’ll realize that the Sabbath being referred to is indeed the same Sabbath that [John 19:31] mentions. The High Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread! <<

Would you please cite evidence that the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath? You seem to be arguing ex nihilo! One last time: It is the SEVENTH day of the Feast of unleavened bread which is a Sabbath, NOT as you claim the first.

The “High Sabbath” is a Sabbath (Saturday) that coincided with a solemn holy day (Passover).