Posted on 06/28/2008 3:05:19 PM PDT by jwalburg
It is not so much that the OT laws are archaic, but that some were only for the nation of Israel before the coming of the Messiah. With the arrival of Christ, many of the ritual and ceremonial laws were fulfilled in Christ, and no longer obligatory for Christians of the New Covenant.
What should we take of Moses’s example when he was upset that his men didn’t kill enough of the enemy and told them to go back and slaughter all the men and boys and take all the girls for themselves?
i dont know some things in the old testament could very well be used for christians to practice today however on the sacrifice animals and get into war with the unbelievers part i think could be best left out of today’s christians practices. but the old testament should be neither ignored nor mocked the old testament was the foundation of the abrahamic religions and should be respected.
Give me the chapter and verses, please.
True, now we can dicker over the Noachide Covenant or the LeviticalLaws, but either way, they do beg the question:
“If not God’s Laws, then whose laws”?
Snipers don’t give chapter and verse because they are not interested in discovering who God is. They are wandering to and fro seeking whom they may devour. They come forth but to steal and to kill.
This is the nature of the drive by freeper.
It takes a devout Christian to begin to understand the wars of the Old Testament. Not to be made fun of. The war today is against our soul. “For we (no longer) wrestle against flesh and blood.”
But spiritual wickedness in high places.
So I am committed to taking the higher ground and contemplating how in the world I’m supposed to love my enemy.
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah [c] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 " 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband"- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen to swell. [d] 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away. [e] " " 'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 " 'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, [f] and she will become accursed among her people. 28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 " 'This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and defiles herself while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the LORD and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.' "
For all the world to see.........
Well, either he did this because God told him to, so we follow his example with whatever God tells us to, or he didn’t, and we don’t.
Start by praying for him - not for success in his evil plans, but that he be brought to repentance by whatever means necessary.
Numbers 31
Vengeance on the Midianites
1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Exactly. These laws were directed to the Jews. They lived under a theocracy.
Except I did give chapter and verse. Now, have you ever been jealous of your wife? Did you give her the test from Numbers that I posted in this thread?
In the end the 10 commandments are the foundation of Heaven’s ways, it cannot be heaven if we are against these things. It is not heaven when we steal from each other, etc, I am sure you understand. While true no man has lived perfectly except Jesus,and none are saved by the law, it is very important mankind understands these laws are not designed to punish us, they are designed to free us from ourselves and the reaction of our actions and thoughts made manifest on the world today.
Peace in Christ!
Thank you very much for chapter and verse.
What do you make of the meaning of these Old Testament verses?
My thoughts are complex, and not fully formalized (i.e. a constant search). But, in a short way, you have to either accept that much of the OT was the world of an earlier age, with rules and ways of acting for a more primitive people, and that they don't apply to us and/or 2. It's mostly allegory. That is, Moses didn't actually do some of these things. He led armies, and the oral story passed down generation after generation has become highly distorted and/or exaggerated.
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