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Jesus: Sovereign or Failure?
Grace Sermons ^ | Larry W. Brown

Posted on 07/24/2008 10:15:40 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
If He wants to save all, He is not sovereign -

Good grief, Manfred the Wonder Dog! It is precisely because God is sovereign that He can do whatever it is He wants to do, and that without limit, because He (unlike us) is not only eternal, but the eternal author and foundation of natural goodness, law, and justice.

The entire point of Jesus Christ's incarnation, His teaching, His suffering, crucifixion, and death — is that God actually cares about His creatures, in a way that is (strangely) not the way that creatures actually care about each other....

Go figure. :^)

41 posted on 07/25/2008 2:13:19 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: onedoug

Then we’ll just have to disagree on that.


42 posted on 07/25/2008 3:28:43 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Well put.

Thanks for the pings.


43 posted on 07/25/2008 4:18:14 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: betty boop

You simply took a phrase out of context. If you cannot discuss an idea, we’re done. Did you read Jude 4, which clearly shows that not every single person is predestined for salvation?

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Because He is sovereign, He can - and does - decide who to save and who to leave to the reward for their sin. I never made a comment about whether or not the Lord cares for His creation - it’s absurd to think otherwise.

Good grief, indeed.


44 posted on 07/25/2008 5:18:53 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

St. Jude saw what he saw. What do you see in his statement? To whom do you apply this description, Manfred the Wonder Dawg?

Finally, are you to be the judge here? It seems to me that only God has foreknowledge of such matters and how He will judge them. Don't forget what our Lord says in the Gospel of Saint John (paraphrasing here): "For I have other sheep, of other folds. Them also must I bring to My Father."

45 posted on 07/25/2008 6:07:39 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop

Good grief. Where do you get the idea that I think I’m the judge? Christ is the judge and He has determined these things. The point is - and this is the last comment I will make to you unless you can reason - that NOT ALL (that is - every single universal human) will be saved. Christ will save whom He chooses and no man can earn His favor.

Buh bye.


46 posted on 07/25/2008 6:15:54 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Christ will save whom He chooses....

My point exactly Manfred the Wonder Dawg.

Buh bye.

47 posted on 07/25/2008 7:09:36 PM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: Quix
Thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!
48 posted on 07/25/2008 8:41:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
49 posted on 07/25/2008 8:43:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Augustinian monk
***Too much filthy lucre makes some people insane I guess.***

And if you send in your money they will send you a “genuine” ancient description of what Christ looks like, taken from an actual letter to Rome written at the time of Christ!
Now, if you have studied art you will know it is a 14th century fake but, hey, it brings in the money!

I head whats her name (the floozy)on TBN use this shtick years ago.

“And when your coin rings in the money box..” Oh, wait, that is a different one.

50 posted on 07/26/2008 5:11:23 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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