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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

The well-publicized story of Joseph Smith's First Vision is not a true account of the origin of the Latter-day Saint movement. The facts are decided against it! First, the historical evidence shows that Joseph Smith, Jr. could not have been stirred by an 1820 revival, to ask which church was true. Second, early Mormon statements do not support his claim that in 1820 he learned through a visitation of the Father and the Son that all existing churches were wrong. Third, the details known about Joseph's early life contradict his assertion that in 1820 he had such a divine visitation and was persecuted by the community for telling such a story.

No 1820 Revival

First, his neighborhood in 1820 experienced no revival such as he described, in which "great multitudes" joined the Methodist, Baptist and Presbyterian churches. The Presbyterian records for the Palmyra Presbyterian Church show that it experienced no revival in 1820. (See Geneva Presbytery "Records," Presbyterian Historical Society.) The local Baptist church gained only six on profession of faith the entire year ("Records for the First Baptist Church in Palmyra," American Baptist Historical Society) while the Methodists actually lost members that year as well as the preceding and following years (Minutes of the Annual Conference).

Joseph Smith claimed that his mother, sister and two brothers were led to join the local Presbyterian Church as a result of that 1820 revival. However, four years before he made this claim, his own church paper had stated that the revival in which his family had been led to join the Presbyterian Church took place in 1823 (Messenger & Advocate I, pp. 42, 78). In fact, that account says it was the same 1823 revival that led him to go to his bedroom (not to a sacred grove) and pray "if a Supreme being did exist" and to know that "he was accepted of him." An angel (not a deity) is then reported to have appeared and told him of his forgiveness and of the gold plates.

Joseph's mother, likewise, knew nothing of an 1820 vision. In her unpublished account, she traces the origin of Mormonism to a bedroom visit by an angel. Joseph at the time had been "pondering which of the churches were the true one." The angel told him "there is not a true church on Earth. No not one" (First draft of "Lucy Smith's History," LDS Church Archives).

Furthermore, she tells us that the revival which led her joining the church took place following the death of her son, Alvin. Alvin died Nov. 19, 1823, and following that painful loss she reports that, "about this time there was a great revival in religion and the whole neighborhood was very much aroused to the subject and we among the rest, flocked to the meeting house to see if there was a word of comfort for us that might relieve our over-charged feelings" (p. 55-56).

She adds that although her husband would only attend the first meetings, he had no objection to her or the children "going or becoming church members." There is plenty of additional evidence that the revival Lucy Smith refers to did occur during the winter of 1824-25. It was reported in at least a dozen newspapers and religious periodicals. The church records show outstanding increases due to the reception of new converts. The Baptist church received 94, the Presbyterian 99, while the Methodist work grew by 208. No such revival bringing in "great multitudes" occurred in 1820.

It is clear that the revival Joseph Smith, Jr. described did not occur in 1820, but in 1824. Joseph Smith arbitrarily moved that revival back four years to 1820 and made it fit a First Vision story that neither his mother nor other close associates had heard of in those early days. The historical facts completely discredit Joseph Smith's First Vision story. (For further details, see "Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought" Spring 1969, pp. 59-100.)

Bible Reading Vs. Revelations

Furthermore, about 1832 Joseph Smith, Jr. began an account of the origin of the Mormon Church (the only one written in his own hand) that contradicts the official First Vision story he dictated some six years later. The account was never finished. (See the text in BYU Studies, Spring 1969, pp. 278ff.)

In this version Joseph presents himself between the ages of 12 and 15 as being a committed and perceptive reader of the Bible. He claims that his study of the Scriptures led him to understand that all of the denominations were wrong. He wrote: "By searching the Scriptures I found that mankind did not come unto the Lord but that they had apostatized from the true and living faith and there was no society or denomination that built upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ as recorded in the new testament."

Six years later, when he set forth his official First Vision story, he decided that he never had reached the firm conclusion that all churches were wrong from his study of the Bible. Instead, he claimed that it was during a vision of the Father and the Son that he first learned this information. He presented this as coming as a great surprise, for he added parenthetically -- "for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong." That statement even contradicted what Joseph had said a few paragraphs earlier in the same account. There he claimed that "I often said to myself ...Who of all these parties are right; or are they all wrong together?" Although the former statement appears in the original manuscript (see BYU Studies above, pg. 290), such a serious contradiction could not be allowed to stand, and after Joseph's death the embarrassing words were edited out.

Even without those words, however, the 1838 official account is in conflict with the 1832 version. In the 1832 account it is his Bible reading that stirs him to seek God, while in the 1838 story it is a non-existent revival that motivates him.

In the 1832 version he claims to have seen only Christ, while in the 1838 rendition both the Father and the Son appear. In the 1832 account he already knows all the churches are wrong, while in the 1838 story it is the dual deities who first inform him of this. Different people may have different views of the same event, but when one person tells contradictory stories about an event, he completely loses his credibility.

Persecution Vs. Acceptance

The 1838 First Vision story not only runs into trouble with Joseph's earlier 1832 version, but it is also contradicted by what we know about his early years in Palmyra. In his official version Joseph claims he was persecuted by all the churches in his area "because I continued to affirm I had seen a vision." However, Orsemus Turner, an apprentice printer in Palmyra until 1822, was in the same juvenile debating club with Joseph Smith. He recalled that Joseph "after catching a spark of Methodism ...became a very passable exhorter in evening meetings" (History of the Pioneer Settlement of Phelps and Gorham's Purchase, 1851, p. 214). Thus, instead of being opposed and persecuted as his 1838 account claims, young Joseph was welcomed and allowed to exhort during the Methodist's evening preaching. Furthermore, no one, either Mormon or non-Mormon, seems ever to have heard of Joseph's encounter with two divine Personages until after 1838. (See this admission in Dialogue, Autumn 1966, pp. 30-31; Saints Herald, June 29, 1959, pg. 21.)

From all available lines of evidence, therefore, Joseph's First Vision story appears to be a fabrication. There was no revival [as described by Smith] anywhere in the Palmyra area in 1820. Joseph was welcomed, not persecuted, by the Methodists. His 1832 account represents him as perceiving from his personal Bible study that all the churches were apostate, while his 1838 account said it "never entered into my heart that all were wrong." His 1832 version claimed only a vision of Christ, while the 1838 story transformed this into the Father and the Son. No one ever heard such a story until after he dictated it in 1838. In the light of such strong contradictory evidence, the First Vision story must be regarded as only the invention of Joseph Smith's highly imaginative mind. The facts and Joseph's words discredit it.


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To: Stourme
For you, considering how the LDS approaches/changes/alterers/show contempt for the Word of God, I guess it would be.

For those who have accepted the true Glory and Grace of the living Christ, well we laugh for more real and spirirtual reasons...

41 posted on 07/25/2008 7:17:20 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Stourme

BTW I noticed you worked around the article I posted...

SOP, by the book, like clockwork.


42 posted on 07/25/2008 7:20:58 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22
I belong to the family of Christians from through out the world.

Oh so you're ashamed of your sect then...a rather cowardly choice you've made IMO.

Why should I give your words any credibility when you don't even have the courage to speak the name of your church?

I don't think the Angels of heaven will be giving you a standing O for your example any time soon.
43 posted on 07/25/2008 8:17:57 AM PDT by Stourme
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To: Stourme
No, you asked a question, I told you the true answer, for there is no "sect" in Christ's community but one.

Now if you wish to know where I attend church, it is at a Methodist church, a place where I feel very welcome as an Orthodox (Greek) by practice.

That's what differentiates Christians from other so called “faiths”. The love of Christ is universal. We have differences and over the years there have been leaders who sought to take advantage of that for their own, and the evil ones ends. But in the end, the community of Christ cares not what name is on the building, but what spirit is in the heart.

Last night, as I do weekly right now, I sat down with Catholics, Episcopalians, Baptist, Presbyterians, Lutherans and such and discussed God's grace and love as we prepared to go into Prison in a few weeks and share this same message with 40 men thirsting for the word of God.

You seek to foment division where none exists, for we all serve Christ together, with the love and blessing of our various churches and their authorities.

Oddly I have found recently that the follows of the “prophet” Joseph Smith, have been publicly denying others who follow his vision (while oddly “supporting them” in in direct ways) whilst all the while the others clamor to claim the name Mormon, which the head church is running away from..

Perhaps the division amongst the various “Sects” issue lies closer to home for you. If you need advice on that, you can approach any number of ecumenical communities of the true Christ for guidance on peace, love and understanding even in the face of minor differences.

44 posted on 07/25/2008 8:36:57 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22

I am so glad you are part of the family...

You have creditability with God, and your brothers and sisters in Christ

:)


45 posted on 07/25/2008 11:35:56 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Thank you.

It is a wonderful family that follows the Truth.

It is funny, having ones credibility questioned by those who believe that God was once a Man, that one must be “certified’ by a mere mortal before seeing the justice of Christ, a “faith” of “seer stones”, “Golden Plates” kingdoms on the moon and other planets and completely non existent civilizations some how totally satiates my hunger for the irony in life...

46 posted on 07/25/2008 11:48:06 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22; Stourme

Amen.

I am a devout reformed Christian and a Presbyterian.

I have worshiped with Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopal, etc.

For a couple of reasons we currently worship and teach Sunday School at a Lutheran church.

I eagerly visit a particular Baptist church when the opportunity presents itself.

Where the name of Christ Jesus is proclaimed I will worship.


47 posted on 07/25/2008 12:00:01 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock
"Where the name of Christ Jesus is proclaimed I will worship."

Where ever two or more are gathered...

No secret handshakes, no special underwear, no secret ceremonies or hidden doctrines, no lists of who is in or out based on achievement or tithe.

Just open hearts and open arms...

48 posted on 07/25/2008 12:09:24 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22
No secret handshakes, no special underwear, no secret ceremonies or hidden doctrines, no lists of who is in or out based on achievement or tithe.

Acts 26:26 For the king knows about these things, and to him I speak boldly. For I am persuaded that none of these things has escaped his notice, for this has not been done in a corner.

49 posted on 07/25/2008 12:15:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Stourme; ejonesie22; Gamecock; Tennessee Nana

I am a Mormon (by birth and culture). I was born into a sixth generation LDS family, baptized when I was eight, and Temple Married.

I am a Christian. I place my faith in Christ alone, and not in the earthly ordinances that were proclaimed over me by the Mormon priesthood.

I attend an Evangelical Free Community. I worship there as well as Baptist, Assembly of God, Catholic, and Presbyterian congregations. In fact I love worshipping God in Jesus Christ so much that often I will attend two, or three different Christian services on Saturday and Sunday.

There are not the divisions between sects as Mormonism tells you, Sourme. I suggest you visit with some Christians, and there are some wonderful ones here at FR, and you will become enlightened as to our unity in Christ and the ability to focus on Him and not on our own sinful failings over dots and tittles of style in worship.


50 posted on 07/25/2008 12:18:43 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Gamecock

Amen...

True Christians are proud of their Worship, indeed revel in sharing it with others...


51 posted on 07/25/2008 12:35:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22
Christ's community doesn't require membership initiations, doesn't require a yearly explanation of tithes, doesn't exclude family members from weddings, and doesn't claim that Christ's priesthood was given exclusively to mormonism:

These two allusions--the one by the Prophet and the other by the Lord--to the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood not only make clear the fact that the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored in accordance with the promise of John the Baptist when conferring the Aaronic Priesthood, but they make it possible to fix upon the place where, and approximately the time when, the event occurred.

Undoubtedly the place where the ordination was performed was on the banks of the Susquehanna river, in the wilderness between Colesville, in Broome county, New York, and Harmony, in Susquehanna county, Pennsylvania; for it is there the Prophet says the voice of Peter, James and John was heard declaring themselves as "possessing the keys of the kingdom, and of the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times;" for which appearing and declaration there could be no other occasion than the ordination of Oliver and Joseph to the Melchizedek Priesthood in fulfillment of the promises made by John the Baptist. The time at which the ordination took place was evidently between the 15th of May, 1829, and August, 1830 [although this was not written until after 1833]. The last named date is the one under which the Lord so definitely referred to the circumstance of having sent Peter, James and John to ordain Joseph and others to be Apostles, even special witnesses of His name, and unto whom He had committed the keys of the kingdom. Hence the time of the ordination must have been between those two dates.

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52 posted on 07/25/2008 1:44:43 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: Stourme; ejonesie22
Oh so you're ashamed of your sect then...a rather cowardly choice you've made IMO. Why should I give your words any credibility when you don't even have the courage to speak the name of your church? I don't think the Angels of heaven will be giving you a standing O for your example any time soon.

It is not the name of our church which brings salvation, but the One who brings us that salvation by grace - not by works. As a Christian, I am a member of Christ's catholic (universal) church throughout the ages - all believers who have accepted God's grace through Jesus. It doesn't matter if we choose to worship in a barn, former bar or large cathedral, Christ promised us that where 2 or 3 gather, He is in our midst. As for me, I grew up in a non-denominational church, later was baptized and confirmed as a Catholic and am now attending an Assemblies of God church. I have worshiped with tens of thousands of other Christian men of all denominations at PK conferences. While there are differences, all recognize that it is Christ alone.

I know I am prepared to meet God S - are you? Have you done “all” you can do for salvation? Have you achieved perfection “in this mortal life”? Have you repeated a sin after asking for forgiveness? Have you “procrastinated” the day of your repentance? Have you cleared “all ungodliness” out of your life? Have you maintained all of the ordinance and rules?

Jesus is fully sufficient for me as He promised in the Bible. Is He that for you or only a component?

53 posted on 07/25/2008 3:03:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.)
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To: Godzilla
Interesting isn't it. Tthe divided seek to divide the Community of Christians...

I guess they feel it will give them some power. Sadly, it is doomed to fail for they are not the first...

54 posted on 07/25/2008 3:07:42 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: ejonesie22
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Col 2: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

55 posted on 07/25/2008 4:46:20 PM PDT by Godzilla (The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.)
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To: SENTINEL
I came to Christ through Free Republic last year ...

Praise the Lord!

Thank you for your testimony.

56 posted on 07/25/2008 4:56:29 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Godzilla
It is not the name of our church which brings salvation, but the One who brings us that salvation by grace - not by works.

Salvation comes by the mercy of Jesus Christ. That, we can agree on. However, you must qualify for that mercy. Believing in Christ is the first step toward salvation; not the last.

No matter how "saved" you claim to be; you, like everyone else that's ever lived will stand before the judgment bar of God and the books for your life will be opened and you will be judged by your works.

The attributes that Jesus described on the sermon on the mount were not just suggestions or good advice. They were commandments. God doesn't change for man. He commands men to change for Him.

1 Corinthians 13:2 - 5
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

The whole and complete mission of the Church is to help the members achieve that goal. To help us achieve those Godly attributes. We do this by our service to one another and to the community.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Have you become as a little child? How is your church helping you to progress toward that end? Do you even know what it means?

It's a terrible trick of the devil that he has deceived so many to believe that all they have to do is to profess the name of Jesus and nothing more.
57 posted on 07/27/2008 2:53:44 PM PDT by Stourme
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To: Stourme; Tennessee Nana; SkyPilot; MHGinTN; colorcountry; SENTINEL; Ron Jeremy; ejonesie22
No matter how "saved" you claim to be; you, like everyone else that's ever lived will stand before the judgment bar of God and the books for your life will be opened and you will be judged by your works.

WHO does the mormon church claim will do the judging that you refer to?

No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith.

From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are"

(Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289).

"It's a terrible trick of the devil that he has deceived so many to believe that all they have to do" is obey the commands of Joseph Smith to reach exaltation.

58 posted on 07/27/2008 4:29:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: Stourme

“No matter how “saved” you claim to be; you, like everyone else that’s ever lived will stand before the judgment bar of God and the books for your life will be opened and you will be judged by your works.” You need to read the Bible, more carefully or at least a first time. Those whom the Deliverer has saved are in Him and He will not be standing for judgment at the great White throne. Your mormon indoctrination is showing through. Stop diminishing the Work the Savior accomplished at Calvary. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit by asserting that His presence within the human spirit will not be sufficient and further earnings will be acocunted to determine worthiness. Get thee behind us, satan.


59 posted on 07/27/2008 4:34:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ejonesie22
Your insistence that there are no divisions in "christianity" has no historical context.

Just because today, in America, you can sit down with people of other faiths and manage to not kill each other doesn't mean that the various religions and sects aren't divided.

One example
...many persecuted Anabaptists settled in Münster, Westphalia. Hofmann’s disciples were attracted to the city by dramatic changes that occurred there in the early 1530s. Under the influence of the Reformer Bernhard Rothman, Anabaptist sentiment was strong enough there to elect an Anabaptist majority to the city council in 1533. This was followed, under the direction of Mathijs and John of Leiden, by the expulsion and persecution of all non-Anabaptists and the creation of a messianic kingdom under John of Leiden. The city was surrounded in 1534 by an army of Catholics and Protestants, which perhaps encouraged further reforms, including the common ownership of goods and polygamy, both with the declaration of biblical precedent. The city was captured in 1535, and the Anabaptist leaders were tortured and killed and their bodies hung in steel cages from the steeple of St. Lambert’s church. Source

And another
Although armed hostilities between Catholics and Protestants largely subsided after the 1921 agreement, violence erupted again in the late 1960s; bloody riots broke out in Londonderry in 1968 and in Londonderry and Belfast in 1969. British troops were brought in to restore order, but the conflict intensified as the IRA and Protestant paramilitary groups carried out bombings and other acts of terrorism. This continuing conflict, which lingered into the 1990s, became known as "the Troubles." Source

Harmony between the sects calling themselves "christianity" is a complete myth. Any truce that exists currently is completely due to the fact that genocide became unfashionable and the division of church and state.

The Lutherans slaughtered the baptists by the tens of thousands.

Even in this country, during the early years several people were executed for teaching baptist doctrine.

How about another...
Homosexuality is a grievous sin and I will never support it's practice.

Unfortunately that's not the way some sects see it...
Last month, members of an Atlanta congregation splintered off after their local church leaders decided to allow their ministers to perform gay unions on church property.
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"By their fruits ye shall know them." -Jesus
60 posted on 07/27/2008 4:36:58 PM PDT by Stourme
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