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Jesus played cricket as a child
The Times of India ^ | 8-10-08

Posted on 08/09/2008 9:09:34 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

MELBOURNE: It is possible that cricket, a game venerated all over the Commonwealth, is older than currently thought.

In fact, Jesus may have played the game (or a similar bat-and-ball combination) as a child, according to an ancient Armenian manuscript.

Long before the English launched cricket some 300 years ago, similar games were being played as early as the 8th century in the Punjab region, Derek Birley writes in his Social History of English Cricket.

But an Armenian scholar says there is good reason to believe that similar games were played in the Middle East long before that time.

Dr Abraham Terian, recently a visiting professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem as Fulbright Distinguished Chair in the Humanities, points to a rare manuscript as his source.

Terian notes that in the Armenian Gospel of the Infancy, translated into Armenian in the 6th century from a much older lost Syriac original, a passage tells of Jesus playing what may well be the precursor of cricket, with a club and ball.

Terian, who discovered the manuscript more than a decade ago at the Saint James Armenian Monastery in the Old City of Jerusalem, says he has now identified the same passage in a couple of other manuscripts of the same gospel of which some 40 copies exist in various archival collections in Europe and the Middle East, including the oldest copy now in Yerevan, the capital of the Armenian Republic.

The latter manuscript is dated 1239, whereas the undated Jerusalem manuscript is considerably later.

Quoting from his Armenian source, Terian says the gospel relates how Jesus, at the age of nine, had been apprenticed to a master dyer named Israel in Tiberias, on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.

"Jesus is instructed to watch Israel's house and not leave the place while the master goes away on a tour to collect clothes to be dyed. But no sooner has Israel left the house, than Jesus runs out with the boys," The Daily Telegraph quoted Terian, as saying.

"The most amazing part of the story of the nine-year-old Jesus playing a form of cricket with the boys at the sea shore, is that he would go on playing the game on water, over the sea waves," he added.

He gives the following translation: "He (Jesus) would take the boys to the seashore and, carrying the playing ball and the club, he would go over the waves of the sea as though he was playing on a frozen surface, hitting the playing ball.


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KEYWORDS: armenia; childhood; cricket; godsgravesglyphs; jesus
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To: Religion Moderator; afraidfortherepublic

Let me try again...

You Must Be “KIDDING” Me.

Better?


21 posted on 08/10/2008 6:21:17 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Much better. Thank you.


22 posted on 08/10/2008 7:30:43 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"The Bitter Withy" is the version I know.

Mary sends Jesus out to play with the caution, "Let me hear no ill of you when I come home." Some rich kids taunt Jesus that he is just a nobody, "born in an oxen's stall." After Jesus builds a bridge of sunbeams and the nasty little rich kids run over it, the bridge vanishes and they all fall in the river "and drownded were all three".

Mary needless to say is not pleased, and she pulls a withy (a willow branch) from the garden and whips Jesus with it. He curses the willow tree -

"O bitter withy, o bitter withy, that makes me so to smart,
The withy shall be the firstest tree, to wither from the heart."

I think Steeleye Span also did a version more recently.

23 posted on 08/10/2008 7:31:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Fido969

If Jesus was into Cricket, I seem to recall Moses being into locusts in Egypt.


24 posted on 08/10/2008 7:37:39 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Religion Moderator

I’m happy to comply.


25 posted on 08/10/2008 7:40:27 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

“The Bitter Withy” doesn’t sound very Christ-like. :/


26 posted on 08/10/2008 12:50:42 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Cvengr

That’s one way to go with it. But Moses was into tennis, too. After all, he served in Pharoh’s court.


27 posted on 08/10/2008 12:52:49 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Although it's rumored that Jesus was very active in all kinds of sports, I have it on good authority that Christ was a professional basketball player.
28 posted on 08/10/2008 2:16:12 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Zero Sum
'Course not.

There's a whole raft of pious medieval legends that grew up around the infancy of Christ, since the Bible and for that matter sacred Tradition say next to nothing about it.

The medieval mind could leave no hole unfilled and no blank space unaccounted for. And sometimes what the ordinary folk used to fill the blank was not what we would consider "Christ-like".

But we can still enjoy it for what it is. And it does have a beautiful tune (at least my version does).

29 posted on 08/10/2008 4:24:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Alex Murphy
LOL! I'm cracking up here. Those little figurines are a hoot!

You know that Jesus drove a Honda, but he didn't like to talk about it - he said, "I do not speak of my own Accord."

30 posted on 08/10/2008 4:27:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
There's a whole raft of pious medieval legends that grew up around the infancy of Christ, since the Bible and for that matter sacred Tradition say next to nothing about it.
Sure enough, and many of them are quite beautiful and pious. I can certainly enjoy those for what they are, even though they are merely legends. But how can the ones that portray Christ, the very Son of God, in an irreverent and frankly nasty way be considered "pious"?

Simple, "ordinary folk" are capable of great piety, perhaps the greatest by the very virtue of simplicity. Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree, but I do not see that shining through in this story.
31 posted on 08/10/2008 5:26:45 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Zero Sum
By "pious legends" I simply mean "legends of the saints and Christ", not implying any moral virtue or particular theological clarity therein.

Many of the songs "of the people", that is to say folk songs from rural England, point morals that seem a little odd to modern urban/suburban people and as you say even a little nasty. But you have to think about where they're coming from, so to speak.

I think this folk song speaks to the old Anglo-Saxon people who were put down by the Norman aristocracy - to the unlettered rural folk who worked hard for their living and were looked down upon by the gentry - pointing the moral that the gentry and nobility ("we are lord's children, born in the lofty hall, and you are but a poor maid's child, born in an ox's stall") shouldn't be mean to the poor folk because you never know who you might be talking to.

Think of all the Grimm's Fairy Tales in which the kind child who is polite and helpful to the poor beggar-woman or the starving dog who turns out to be a fairy in disguise.

I think it also says something about the proper use of power, and that children haven't the sense to use it wisely.

As I said, you have to take it as it stands. Medieval folk did not put their religion into a box and just take it out on Sunday -- most went to daily Mass and religion was in everything they did. So the simple country folk saw religion as a matter of daily life -- and it is a bit too coarse for our modern sensibilities.

32 posted on 08/10/2008 6:45:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Fido969
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHH!!!!

You're dethpicable!

Sigh, You got me.

33 posted on 08/11/2008 6:57:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Grizzled Bear

Oh, thank you. I’m not really kidding (this was a news item in The Times of India, after all) but I do not for a minute think that Jesus played cricket!

I do, however, find it interesting that this is a very old story and the The Times of India chose to publish it on a day when Catholic Churches all over the world were reading the St. Matthew Gospel about Jesus walking on water with St. Peter.

It also made me remember the old Kingston Trio song which (previously) I had thought was just a fanciful song and not based on anything. Now, I learn that it was based on this 4th century tale from Armenia.

In my own church, the homilist told a modern day joke about a retriever and 3 hunters to illustrate the old Gospel story. So, you see, we are still doing it — using stories and analogies to illustrate a larger point.


34 posted on 08/11/2008 8:44:12 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: AnAmericanMother

You are correct. The program notes from the Kingston Trio album say that the song “Mary Mild” was taken from the “Bitter Withy”.

Quoting:

“Mary Mild, a version of the ballad “The Bitter Withy” is founded on an Oriental legend known in Europe before the end of the 11th century. The story, not found in official church writings, tells of Jesus at the age of eleven being chastized by Mary for building a bridge of sunbeams to illustrate his divine power to neighborhood children who refuse to play with a child so humble born. The “bridge of sunbeams” miracle has been traced from Egypt to Ireland and to the lives of the medieval saints.”

The Kingston Trio version omits the references to switches and spanking.


35 posted on 08/11/2008 8:53:37 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Too bad they omitted that bit! That to me (and probably to the original singers, given the title of the song) is the kicker to the whole thing.

I used to teach folk singing to kids at summer camp, and while the gruesome murder ballads were their absolute favorites they liked "The Bitter Withy" very much. They thought it was funny - I guess it is in a way, like the old "Mommy mommy!" and "Little Audrey" jokes.

I wish I could find the tune on line. The Watersons album, Sound, Sound Ye Instruments of Joy, seems to follow the Alan Lomax field recordings in the idea that 'folk music' has to sound ugly. And it isn't the same tune as the one that Maddy Prior used on Flesh and Blood, or else it's altered beyond recognition by the horrible singing voice and delivery of the performer.

36 posted on 08/11/2008 9:00:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Many of the songs "of the people", that is to say folk songs from rural England, point morals that seem a little odd to modern urban/suburban people and as you say even a little nasty. But you have to think about where they're coming from, so to speak.
None of the morals or motifs that you mention are odd in the least, but that's not the point. "The Bitter Withy" does not utilize for its instructive purposes a make-believe fairy or youthful hero/demigod who has yet to realize and tame his power, but Christ Himself. That's an important point because I think that how we speak of Christ should reflect what we believe about Who He Is, and just what that means for us and for our salvation.

The Gospel is the greatest story imaginable, because it is God's story as He reveals it to men. And it's true!

And Christ is neither a whimsical fairy nor some naughty kid who happens to have some nifty super-powers. He is the very Word of God Incarnate, even as a child! Why would we speak of Him in any other way unless we believe otherwise?
Medieval folk did not put their religion into a box and just take it out on Sunday -- most went to daily Mass and religion was in everything they did.
And so it should be with us. Perhaps we need to look very hard at ourselves and at our society, at why we compartmentalize things to such an extent that we separate our faith from our "secular" lives, and how the Gospel can have any meaning at all for us if our faith does not become ingrained into our very beings and manifest itself in every aspect of our lives: Every action, every thought, every breath we take should be for Christ. (Just writing this convicts me of how far I fall short. Lord have mercy, for I am a great sinner.)

However, this should mean lifting up the world to God in our sanctification, not attempting to lower the Gospel by imagining that the Son Who is true God and perfect Man conforms with our ways, the ways of the world: "For He became Man so that we might become God."

Just my humble opinion.
37 posted on 08/11/2008 11:18:55 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Zero Sum
I understand.

All I'm saying is that if you were a 15th century yeoman or laborer somewhere out in the wilds of Wiltshire, you would probably be more focussed on the Incarnation as God made man, with emphasis on the man. Their lives were hard, often cut suddenly short, and their horizon was only as far as they could see, since they were unlettered and most never travelled more than a few miles from where they were born.

Their circumstances made their view of Christ quite different from ours, who have the luxury of literacy, easy work, and modern conveniences. It gives us a different perspective!

I think the whole point of studying history is to enable us to think ourselves into another person's head and see things from their vantage point, even if it's different from ours and in our view erroneous. C.S. Lewis recommended "reading old books" for precisely that reason, since our blind spots are not their blind spots and their mistakes are not the same as ours. It opens up your mind.

38 posted on 08/12/2008 6:12:12 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
All I'm saying is that if you were a 15th century yeoman or laborer somewhere out in the wilds of Wiltshire, you would probably be more focussed on the Incarnation as God made man, with emphasis on the man.
Building a bridge of sunbeams puts emphasis on the man? The only way I can see that the story puts emphasis on the man is by way of sin, and as we know Christ is without sin. A folktale about the Christ child playing games with other children is IMHO a charming way to demonstrate His (innocent and pure) humanity; a folktale about Him (God forbid!) drowning other children is not.
Their lives were hard, often cut suddenly short, and their horizon was only as far as they could see, since they were unlettered and most never travelled more than a few miles from where they were born.
And this is why the Apostolic function of the Church was (and still is!) imperative. The apostles and their successors were and are charged with bringing the Gospel to the world, because a lost and broken world cannot come to Christ by itself. But:
Their circumstances made their view of Christ quite different from ours, who have the luxury of literacy, easy work, and modern conveniences. It gives us a different perspective!
There is One Christ, and the Church is also One: There is One Faith that is held by the saints in all times and in all places: The Gospel that Peter preached is the same one that Paul preached, the same one received and handed down by Ignatius and Irenaeus and Athanasius and so on down to this very day. We may have different perspectives in different ages, but we receive the same Gospel; and it tells us of Christ Who is the very Word of God Incarnate: True God and perfect Man.
I think the whole point of studying history is to enable us to think ourselves into another person's head and see things from their vantage point, even if it's different from ours and in our view erroneous. C.S. Lewis recommended "reading old books" for precisely that reason, since our blind spots are not their blind spots and their mistakes are not the same as ours. It opens up your mind.
Interesting you should bring that up! :) Lewis wrote that in a preface to a new translation of St. Athanasius the Great's On the Incarnation, and it was St. Athanasius himself in this very work who expressed the kernel of the Gospel: "For He became Man so that we might become God."

Lewis was spot on about the value of "reading old books." And you're right: If there's anything we can learn from the medieval Christians, it is that our faith must shape our entire lives. However, it must be the same faith that was delivered always and everywhere to all the saints; not something invented as a means to suit worldly ends, be they medieval or modern.
39 posted on 08/12/2008 3:39:33 PM PDT by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: Zero Sum
It's only intended to make you think -- not to approve or disapprove (it's obviously incorrect to attribute wrongdoing to Christ - although I think that Medieval Man was thinking that it was only justice, along the lines of the "They Needed Killing" defense (which is still good in certain Southern states).)

Imagine what St. Athanasius would think of our borrowing and lending money at interest!!!

40 posted on 08/12/2008 3:45:31 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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