Skip to comments.Cardinal Egan Blasts Pelosi (in brilliantly scathing response) [Open]
Posted on 08/26/2008 10:37:18 AM PDT by NYer
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Couldn’t have said it better and, I might add, didn’t. ;-)
I said that about Obama. Anyone who could deny the survivor of an abortion medical treatment and leave that tiny human soul to gasp out its last in a bedpan in a broom closet doesn’t have what it takes to lead this nation. All issues after that “judgment” he’s so famous for are moot.
Give Benedict XVI a little more time. I think you’ll be seeing some folks transferring their church affiliations across town to some of the more liberal denominations or, God willing, changing their positions.
The Speaker only would need to open up her BibleI doubt that the same airhead who fabricated a quote from "the Old Testament" (could she name a single book if she had to?) would even know where to where to begin looking for that passage.
1 Cor. 11: 23-29
Technically, that is up to her Bishop to tell her. But it’s still nice to see more in the hierarchy speak up. Pro-choice Catholics - and I know many - will be shocked. It’s a pity that such teachings haven’t been made more explicit over the years.
That’s just a pity.
Personally, I would drive to see it!
Recall that the Holy Father recently spent a few evenings at his residence :-) That HAD to make an impression.
Does it really matter? She's a professional politician; she's in it for herself, not God.
“I have the feeling she is guilty of hearing what she wants to hear.”
That may be, but that wasn't what you said to which I replied.
You originally said:
I have a feeling she simply shows up at Mass, receives the sacraments and, occasionally, hears someone tell her what is in the Bible and how she should believe it.
This isn't quite what happens at Mass, and thus, I pointed out what does actually happen at Mass. First, she does not “occasionally” hear “someone tell her what is in the Bible.”
Rather, as often as she goes to Mass, she hears the Word of God, itself. Every time. Not occasionally. Not what someone tells her is in the Bible, but rather, the Word of God, itself.
You may be right that it may go in one ear and out the other, or that in her own mind, she might twist it all around.
But as often as she attends Mass (and I'm made to understand that she attends Mass generally weekly), she directly hears the Word of God.
Just to clarify the situation, the Catholic Church follows Scripture on these matters, specifically, 1 Corinthians 11:27-29.
As so many others have already pointed out, Pelosi may attend Mass where she will hear Scripture read but, like others in her mindless situation, might feel embarrased to not go up for communion. Hence, the Church views this as unworthy reception of communion. Specifically, a person who eats and drinks unworthily is guilty of profaning what is holy. In the above passage, St. Paul warns that "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord." While we cannot reasonably expect that every Eucharistic Minister of Holy Communion can deny her communion (they have no way of knowing whether or not she repented of her sin), we do have the assurance that God knows. In essence, she excommunicates herself, 'latae sentiae' (by her own accord).
I understand that now. Her Archbishop came out with a news release that quotes one from a group of other Bishops. Whether that's followed up on remains to be seen.
I am happy to see other Bishops make statements; especially the one from Archbishop Egan, and from the Archbishop of Denver who takes Biden (and by extension Pelosi) to task regarding the taking of the Sacrament. Both were powerful in their own right.
You may well be right on that. Pelosi's Archbishop gave a news release that quoted a news release made earlier. It will be interesting to see whether it is followed up further.
So, she may or may not attend the table based on her own cognizance. Should she attend without having first repented, she may be given the Sacrament by Ministers unfamiliar of her situation, she’s still apart from God and in excommunication by her own accord.
I think I understand that now. I want to thank you, and all who have responded, and put up with one trying to understand a somewhat complicated issue. Your tolerance of my persistence is greatly appreciated.
Oh! This is getting good!
How, precisely, do you believe that Ms. Pelosi, or other pro-abort Catholic politicians, has/have incurred excommunication latae sententiae?
Cardinal Egan finally found the bully pulpit that O’Connor used to use. Better late than never.
How do you think they haven’t?
Indeed! God bless that sainted man. I will NEVER forget his funeral and the shamed expression on the faces of then President Clinton, his wife Hillary and VP Gore and his wife.
At one point in the sermon, O'Connor's hand picked homilist said, "What a great legacy he has left us in his constant reminder that the Church must always be unambiguously pro- life."
There was a beat and then applause broke out. It grew louder, increasing as the cameras fixed on the Clinton-Gore party showing them on screens throughout the cathedral. Cardinal Law attempted to quiet the crowd with his hand, when suddenly the congregation began to stand up, applauding in a wave that moved from the back of the church to the front. If it hadn't been a funeral they would have cheered. It was a defiant, pivotal moment.
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