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Cardinal Egan Blasts Pelosi (in brilliantly scathing response) [Open]
CMR ^ | August 26, 2008 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 08/26/2008 10:37:18 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 08/26/2008 10:37:18 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ouch ;-)


2 posted on 08/26/2008 10:38:25 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: sandyeggo; eastsider

Bump!


3 posted on 08/26/2008 10:39:47 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Can’t be clearer than that.


4 posted on 08/26/2008 10:40:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Rest In Peace, Capt. Ed "Too Tall" Freeman (1928-2008))
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To: NYer

Thank you, Your Eminence. Rush just read this!


5 posted on 08/26/2008 10:40:31 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NYer

I still don’t see where this, or the other links, calls into question her qualification for the Sacrament of Communion.


6 posted on 08/26/2008 10:41:19 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: NYer
Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.

That'll leave a mark....

Very nice.

7 posted on 08/26/2008 10:41:53 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: NYer
No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb. In simplest terms, they are human beings with an inalienable right to live, a right that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is bound to defend at all costs for the most basic of ethical reasons.

Is this the theological equivalent of a two by four to the head?

8 posted on 08/26/2008 10:42:53 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: NYer

Glad to read this. Thanks for posting it!


9 posted on 08/26/2008 10:43:14 AM PDT by syriacus (Barry schmoozed with public housing developers as his constituents bailed sewage from housing sinks.)
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To: NYer

Good for Him.


10 posted on 08/26/2008 10:43:18 AM PDT by fatima
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To: NYer
“We are blessed in the 21st century with crystal-clear photographs and action films of the living realities within their pregnant mothers. No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are, as they smile and wave into the world outside the womb.”

You'd be surprised how I got my knuckles rapped on another thread for making that very same point (although in a somewhat plainer manner of speech). I'm positively delighted that someone of far greater eminence than I was able to see through Ms. Pelosi’s feeble argument and for the same reason as your humble servant.

11 posted on 08/26/2008 10:44:32 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: bcsco
The Speaker only would need to open up her Bible:

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

1 Cor. 11: 23-29

12 posted on 08/26/2008 10:45:17 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

“Is this the theological equivalent of a two by four to the head?”

In a word, yes.


13 posted on 08/26/2008 10:45:34 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

No “nuance” here, baby............
is this a high enough “pay grade” ??


14 posted on 08/26/2008 10:45:35 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: NYer

A completely perfect response to the ignorant Ms. Pelosi.

I suspect that deep down, below all the plastic surgery, Ms. Pelosi knows the Cardinal is right.


15 posted on 08/26/2008 10:45:47 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Bacon is infidelicious)
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To: NYer

In boxing terms, that’s a roundhouse right! And Pelosi hits the canvas!

Way to go, Cardinal Egan!


16 posted on 08/26/2008 10:48:35 AM PDT by Deo volente ("Obama and Biden: Windy and Windier"...Hugh Hewitt, 8/25/08)
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To: NYer

Well, I’d like to hear what the Speaker says in repsonse to that scolding from Cardinal Egan.

If she responds.

My God, my God, she is so stupid. Hard to imagine she is speaker of the House.


17 posted on 08/26/2008 10:48:37 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Pyro7480

“The Speaker only would need to open up her Bible...”

I have a feeling she simply shows up at Mass, receives the sacraments and, occasionally, hears someone tell her what is in the Bible and how she should believe it. Apparently, her eyes are tired after a day of reading all the bills, regulations, and cards and letters from her friends on the Left Coast. She’s not just a nobody you know. She has a responsible position. ;-)


18 posted on 08/26/2008 10:49:14 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: RexBeach

“Well, I’d like to hear what the Speaker says in repsonse . . .”

Pelosi will probably say something like “Well, that’s just *his* opinion. What does *he* know about Catholicism anyway? He’s just a man. They are all stu-u-pid.”


19 posted on 08/26/2008 10:51:57 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: NYer; Salvation; Coleus; narses; wagglebee; cpforlife.org; Mad Dawg

Methinks somebody crossed an invisible line drawn in the nave.

My prayer is that these bishops, now showing some spine, will decide to really correct the defects in their tacit teachings caused by their years of spineless “pastoral” rule.


20 posted on 08/26/2008 10:51:58 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: NYer

Catholic bishops are usually careful, especially when it comes to written statements, more especially when it comes to matters of politics so as to be seen above the fray. They tend to issue general opinions, and to single out Pelosi or anyone is uncommon. Yet the egregiousness of the Speaker’s comments was too much to ignore, and he definitely schooled her on this. Good job, Cardinal Egan!


21 posted on 08/26/2008 10:52:49 AM PDT by Tex_GOP_Cruz
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To: tioga; xsmommy; SoothingDave

Pingemus

(let us be pinged?)


22 posted on 08/26/2008 10:52:54 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (We have standards & tradition, otherwise we'd be little better than the DUmmies.)
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To: NYer

Excellent, Cardinal Egan!

I wish that Archbishop Wuerl (part-time Catholic, full-time Democrat) had made a statement half as strong!


23 posted on 08/26/2008 10:53:06 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer

Puts Wuerhl’s reply to shame.


24 posted on 08/26/2008 10:54:46 AM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: NYer

“No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor....”

When you assume that she possesses integrity OR honor to any degree, I belive you assume far to much.


25 posted on 08/26/2008 10:55:24 AM PDT by GT Vander (Life's priorities; God, Family, Country. Everything else is just details...)
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To: markomalley
Methinks somebody crossed an invisible line drawn in the nave.

Yup. She should have gone with the old "personally opposed but..." statement instead of flat out lying about the Church's stand.

The first they could let slide, the second they can't.

26 posted on 08/26/2008 10:55:26 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (We have standards & tradition, otherwise we'd be little better than the DUmmies.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I have a feeling she simply shows up at Mass, receives the sacraments...

The San Francisco Arch Diocese has been co-opted by Marxists and homosexuals. She will hear very little criticism of 'abortion rights' in her church.

27 posted on 08/26/2008 10:56:53 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Pyro7480

Simply put, someone who receives the Eucharist while not in a state of sanctifying grace (i.e. supporting and promoting the murder of the unborn) brings a judgement, a curse of death, upon their soul, they are committing sacrilige, and profaning the Eucharist.


28 posted on 08/26/2008 10:57:55 AM PDT by wisconservative
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To: NYer

We need more like this—much more.


29 posted on 08/26/2008 10:58:23 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: NYer
Unbelievable.

When you read this statement it becomes eminently clear why Christ chose the flawed, weak Peter to be the Rock upon which His Church would be built -- even though John was the apostle who was closest to Christ and whose faith never wavered even unto Calvary.

Sometimes a guy who impulsively grabs a sword and cuts off the ear of the high priest's servant is exactly what the world needs.

30 posted on 08/26/2008 10:58:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: RexBeach

“My God, my God, she is so stupid. Hard to imagine she is speaker of the House.”

Doesn’t this tell you something about the dismal political condition our country finds itself?


31 posted on 08/26/2008 10:58:35 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: NYer

Nancy, you might want to put some ice on that...


32 posted on 08/26/2008 10:59:56 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm investing in "Pitchfork Futures"!!)
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To: NYer; Charles Henrickson; lightman
This Missouri Synod Lutheran is beaming with pride and appreciation of fellow Christian, Cardinal Egan.

His statement is in the spirit of "Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen."

Leni

33 posted on 08/26/2008 10:59:57 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home in Nov & Vote for Obama-ization, More Regulation, Taxation, Litigation and Ginsburgization)
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To: NYer

“Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.”

Now Cardinal excommunicate her...do it...


34 posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:00 AM PDT by y6162 (uot)
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To: NYer
Boy, that guy will make a lousy politician if he doesn't learn how to get straight to the point!
35 posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:08 AM PDT by Doohickey (Wingnut: A small, dense object that spins easily (See: Obama, Barack))
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To: Made In The USA

They all know it.

It’s the ultimate reason abortion supporters are so shril whenever anyone questions them. The guilt is inside their hearts and won’t go away no matter how shrill their various arguments are.


36 posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:19 AM PDT by Ronin (Is there some rule that says that when an evil man gets sick, we must pretend he was a saint?)
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To: Made In The USA

They all know it.

It’s the ultimate reason abortion supporters are so shril whenever anyone questions them. The guilt is inside their hearts and won’t go away no matter how shrill their various arguments are.


37 posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:26 AM PDT by Ronin (Is there some rule that says that when an evil man gets sick, we must pretend he was a saint?)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
Dear Constitutions Grandchild,

“I have a feeling she simply shows up at Mass, receives the sacraments and, occasionally, hears someone tell her what is in the Bible and how she should believe it.”

By showing up for Mass each Sunday, Ms. Pelosi hears four readings from the Bible. She first hears a reading read directly from the Old Testament. Then she participates in singing (or reciting) a Psalm. Then she hears a direct reading from one of the Epistles. Finally, she hears a direct reading from one of the four Gospels.

The problem isn't that she isn't hearing the Word of God. It's just that she seems to be immune to its effect.


sitetest

38 posted on 08/26/2008 11:00:57 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
No one with the slightest measure of integrity or honor could fail to know what these marvelous beings manifestly, clearly, and obviously are,

NO integrity, NO honor..... NO CATHOLIC!

39 posted on 08/26/2008 11:01:27 AM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: NYer

Wow is right!!! His Eminence just went up about 5 pegs in my book.


40 posted on 08/26/2008 11:01:44 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NYer
Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being “chooses” to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.
I am pleasantly surprised by Card. Egan's direct and impassioned response. Now, if only Abp. Niederauer would grow a pair ...
41 posted on 08/26/2008 11:05:54 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: NYer

My PEEPS!!! Way to GO!!!


42 posted on 08/26/2008 11:06:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: markomalley

She LIED about what the Church BELIEVE!!! And is now getting NAILED for her LIE!


43 posted on 08/26/2008 11:08:53 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer
Frankly, I'm surprised Egan said this. He's been pretty low-key on this subject.

Whatever. We'll take it. Well done, your eminence.
44 posted on 08/26/2008 11:09:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents give their children are siblings.)
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To: NYer
Where did Ms Pelosi attend school/college? Did she receive any sort of Catholic education at all?
45 posted on 08/26/2008 11:09:43 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Alberta's Child

WOW...... that was GOOD and INSIGHTFUL!!!! Made me think. THANKS!!


46 posted on 08/26/2008 11:10:18 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer
In Church-speak, this is about as brutal as it can get.

Does Egan read FR? The sort of language he's used is very reminiscent of that used by some exasperated posters around here when referring to Pelosi.

It's almost like he cut and pasted a post from the FR Religion forum.

47 posted on 08/26/2008 11:11:21 AM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter.)
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To: y6162
Now Cardinal excommunicate her...do it...

He can't. Only the bishop of San Fran can do that. And based on who he is, I'm betting he won't.
48 posted on 08/26/2008 11:11:54 AM PDT by Antoninus (The greatest gifts parents give their children are siblings.)
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To: RexBeach

Thank you Cardinal Egan for this clearly worded rebuke of the garbage spouted by Speaker Pelosi.

The best way to change her status as Speaker of the House is to make sure that she doesn’t have a majority on her side in November. The loons in San Fran will keep electing her because she is following their far far left politics. That stuff doesn’t play in the rest of the country.


49 posted on 08/26/2008 11:16:47 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: NYer

Check and mate.


50 posted on 08/26/2008 11:17:31 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (About Obama: "Overinflated balloons pop suddenly and catastrophically." - Bill Dupray)
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